8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm with you there. I've never been this uninterested in a draft and I tend to agree with ESP here. 

 

So greatest draft ever?

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm with you there. I've never been this uninterested in a draft and I tend to agree with ESP here. 

 

That's not a great sign...

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm with you there. I've never been this uninterested in a draft and I tend to agree with ESP here. 

 

QBs, a lot of WRs and OL early, decent CBs - the other positions are meh. Maybe not strong outside of the top 75 for premium positions. Might want to trade some Day 3 picks, but a good mix overall given our needs.

In terms of excitement I think most have a good idea of what to expect. A 1st round OT that will sit, the wrong 2nd round WR, a tradeback with some nice players available into the 3rd where either an athletic but half-baked LB will be taken or Trotter Jr., 4th round CB relegated to STs. 

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Be careful with this one. This is one of those complicated contracts that those websites can't fully show the inner workings. As it stands today on 4/3/2024 you would be correct, however, read the fine print. 

• 2024 Option Bonus: $18.79M (3/13/2024)
• 2025 Option Bonus: $18.745M
• 2026 Option Bonus: $18.7M

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/lane-johnson-12284/

4 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Looks like Spotrac and OTC don't agree, so I'm going to try and break this down myself. Pray for me.

The contract had a $18,835,000 singing bonus paid in 2023, and through 2026 $15,668,000 will have hit the cap, leaving $3,167,000 of dead cap. He will have been paid $56,235,000 in option bonuses and the cap will have been charged $28,639,000, leaving $27,596,000 in dead cap. So it appears the total dead cap should be $30,763,000 from his 2023 extension. I don't know if there is money from his last contract as well. 

Seems like no one knows how his contract works, but the "right" number should be $30mm broken up over 2 years.

are those 3 option bonuses of $18 Million a year guaranteed?

Does anyone really think that Lane Johnson is going to retire if he's going to get a $18 Million option guaranteed?

Lane gets $18M a year in 2024,  2025 and 2026.

Some people want to draft a RT to replace Lane in this draft,  despite the fact that 24, 25, 26 are all years where Lane is due $18 M a year.

However,  it would be different if those $18 M option bonuses were not guaranteed.

I don't see Lane leaving $18 M on the table and retiring.

However,  2027,  there is no option bonus,  but there is a base salary of $1.5.   Lane might leave that on the table.
 

32 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm with you there. I've never been this uninterested in a draft and I tend to agree with ESP here. 

 

His takes are so consistently horrible its almost impressive

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Oh knock it off.

But you failed by not answering the most important question of all, is she wearing high heels... 

18 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

That's not a great sign...

Of what?

This is a really good draft for the top 80 picks. It falls off after that due to NIL/Covid and seniors not declaring. It's top-heavy, but not deep.

Just now, RLC said:

Of what?

This is a really good draft for the top 80 picks. It falls off after that due to NIL/Covid and seniors not declaring. It's top-heavy, but not deep.

It's top heavy, but Howie is GARBAGE when he has to draft in the early 20s. He traded their 3rd rounder for Kenny Pickett. Our hope lies in the 2nd.

3 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

How many freaking weapons do they need to make the offense work? PM just won a SB with a TE and crap at WR. They already have two of the best in the league and a top 10 TE so it boggles my mind. If you gave PM Brown and Smith, he'd never lose a game...meanwhile Hurts is looking at one person every play. 

The Eagles went without backups at WR last year.

They started 10-1.

Then all of Goedert, Hurts, Smith and Brown were injured and the Eagles lost all but one of their last games.

The best WR,  Brown,  missed the playoffs and the Eagles lost.

The Eagles have starters and backups at both edge spots.  Who is the backup for D Smith?

Lane Johnson has $18 Million a year option bonuses in 24, 25, 26,  I don't know why people think that a Lane Johnson replace at RT is something.   It's good to have backups at all positions,  and backups on the OL don't play unless there is an injury.  It's possible a team could do something innovative,  but usually they don't.

Most normal teams don't play their starting WRs 90%+ of the time,  because they don't want their WRs to break.  The Eagles did play their starting WRs 90%+ of the time, and both of the star WRs did break, and the Eagles did lose when their WRs were out and broken. 

Maybe the Eagles will ignore the fact that their lack of backups (that they could recognize and see as football players on their team, because they were there the whole time,  they just ignored them) caused them to lose and fail at the end of the season.  But maybe they now understand how important letting their starting WR rest is, because they don't want to lose at the end of the season.

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's top heavy, but Howie is GARBAGE when he has to draft in the early 20s. 

It's such a small sample size and there is a clear cut-off league wide comparing drafting in the top 15 to 16-30. 

Howie is likely not sitting at 22 anyway. 

4 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I wouldn’t be shocked if they took one round 1

I wouldn't either,  but adding Parris Campbell decreased the likelihood of that.

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's such a small sample size and there is a clear cut-off league wide comparing drafting in the top 15 to 16-30. 

Howie will is likely not sitting at 22 anyway. 

There seems to be 4 super elite blue chip offensive weapons in this draft. Harrison Jr, Odunze, Nabers, Bowers. I do wonder, if any slide past 10 does Howie says F it, let's go get one. Outside shot for Brian Thomas Jr. too who I think is pretty darn elite, but maybe not quite the prospect the others are. 

3 hours ago, TEW said:

Mahomes is one of the greatest players in the history of the league.

You don’t think Hurts is that good, judging by this post.

So, yeah, we are going to need better talent at WR than Mahomes.

Again, he has two of the best. If he can't win with that then he doesn't deserve 50 freaking million. Many QBs have won with a lot less. In fact....I can't think of many who had two top 10 WRs when they won a SB yet they still managed a victory. 

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

But that's not really what he used the majority of the time with Dallas. So I guess it's a good showing that he can adapt at least. I'm not sure if that was a forced one because Chargers didn't have what he required or he wanted to try something different. I'm curious what will be his staple with us

The Chargers had a bunch of injuries at WR last year. Allen, Williams, Palmer all missed time. They also took the kid out of TCU (blanking on his name) in the first round.

So he was using 3 WR sets a lot despite dealing with all of these injuries.

I think Moore much prefers 11 personnel, like most offensive coordinators, but that’s a different matter than if he wants that third WR to be an integral part of the offense or be a role player.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Again, he has two of the best. If he can't win with that then he doesn't deserve 50 freaking million. Many QBs have won with a lot less. In fact....I can't think of many who had two top 10 WRs when they won a SB yet they still managed a victory. 

Who says he "can’t win?”

It’s not a matter of "if” he can, it’s a matter of what maximizes the chances of winning?

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

Of what?

This is a really good draft for the top 80 picks. It falls off after that due to NIL/Covid and seniors not declaring. It's top-heavy, but not deep.

Depends on the position IMO. 

But in the end I was mostly making a joke because I trust ESP's football takes about as much as I trust EagleVA 's takes on space and basic physics. 

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

Who says he "can’t win?”

It’s not a matter of "if” he can, it’s a matter of what maximizes the chances of winning?

Not necessary to draft a WR in RD1 to give him another option. 

2 hours ago, TEW said:

Yeah, I have my doubts Suamataia even makes it to 22. I’d be ecstatic with him in the first.

The bigger question is if we’d utilize a backup Tackle enough to justify taking one in the first round?

Only 3 "blue-chip" players worth trading up for IMO. These players can both start right away and be impact starters long-term.

1) Mitchell
2) Fuaga
3) Fautanu

Too many other players either can't start for us (ex: Alt, Mims, Latham), don't play premium positions (Bowers), will be too expensive to trade up for (big 3 WRs), etc.

If any of them fall to 17, we can strike.

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

No way. Far too high for a project

What’s a reasonable worst case scenario for him, setting aside potential injuries or unforeseen off field issues?

At absolute least, I see him as a top 10 guard in 5 years.

Now what’s the best case scenario? All Pro tackle.

Yes, you might lose a year on his rookie deal to train him up, but that’s an easy trade off for such a high floor and ceiling player. I’ll take him at 22 every day of the week — you aren’t going to get a better risk proposition drafting so late, especially at a high value position.

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Real question, what does target 3 look like in this offense after 2024? Goedert will be 30 and has an injury history. To me, he looked less explosive after the catch last season, but maybe he was dealing with some injury.

If Brian Thomas is somehow sitting there at 22, that would be tempting. Still think they'd go OL or CB, but wow.

 

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Real question, what does target 3 look like in this offense after 2024? Goedert will be 30 and has an injury history. To me, he looked less explosive after the catch last season, but maybe he was dealing with some injury.

If Brian Thomas is somehow sitting there at 22, that would be tempting. Still think they'd go OL or CB, but wow.

CB or WR

Lane Johnson gets $18 Million in 24,  25,  26 in option bonuses.

Unless we think Lane Johnson says "I'm going to leave $36 Million on the table and retire after 24"

I don't think his does this.  at all.

Maybe the Eagles will implement a platoon system,  because they drafted a OL in a first round,  and it would be really stupid to do that if everyone on the OL was good, and was signed.

Or is the plan for Mailata to leave? 

The Eagles lost last year because they didn't have backups they would use,  and the starters broke.  Quez and OZ are gone, upgraded by Parris,  but there is still a need there.

At CB,  the Eagles don't have a a good one.  They have Slay who was average last year,  Ringo,  who was almost average,  and a long list of bad or terrible.   I would think that adding a good CB to the group which is average to bad to terrible is a better idea than drafting an OT who will be sitting until Lane Johnson stops getting bonus checks after the 2026 season.

WR need rest,  if they don't get some rest,  they break.   The Eagles WRs broke last year and the Eagles lost because of that.

I also would prefer the Eagles not give a total of $40 Million a year to 2 WRs. 

12 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

The bigger question is if we’d utilize a backup Tackle enough to justify taking one in the first round?

He can play guard until Lane is gone.

@vikas83 Need your transparency here. My wife recently saw a hack on her Instagram where some wife chopped all her paper towel rolls in half to save money. I recently did it to appease her, and it definitely saves us more paper towels, especially with 2 daughters.  We both spend money carelessly at all times and both have lucrative careers. However, does this make me financially responsible, or am I amongst the poorest of the poor? 

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Real question, what does target 3 look like in this offense after 2024? Goedert will be 30 and has an injury history. To me, he looked less explosive after the catch last season, but maybe he was dealing with some injury.

If Brian Thomas is somehow sitting there at 22, that would be tempting. Still think they'd go OL or CB, but wow.

Yeah, that’s kind of my thinking.

Goedert is unreliable and Brown has a contract issue we are going to have to deal with.

If we start throwing to the 3rd WR more, then the pick can justify itself.