I don't buy any of the AJ Brown stuff right now, but just to play along...Marvin Harrison Jr. is sitting there at 3. AJ Brown, 22 and Tanner McKee to NE for pick 3.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't buy any of the AJ Brown stuff right now, but just to play along...Marvin Harrison Jr. is sitting there at 3. AJ Brown, 22 and Tanner McKee to NE for pick 3.

Without hesitation

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't buy any of the AJ Brown stuff right now, but just to play along...Marvin Harrison Jr. is sitting there at 3. AJ Brown, 22 and Tanner McKee to NE for pick 3.

I played along yesterday. 

Pick 3 is 2200 points.

Pick 22 is 780 points.

Difference of 1420 points.

AJ Brown and Tanner McKee have to be roughly equal to pick 8 overall. 

 

Out of the 3 scenarios I played out, I most prefer trading up to 3 and drafting Harrison. But you gotta match that value.

Your scenario would depend on how much NE actually likes McKee. But as I said they could very likely land Penix at 22. Coming out of the day with AJ Brown and Penix. 

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

in some people's minds, that means he's definitely being traded.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I played along yesterday. 

Pick 3 is 2200 points.

Pick 22 is 780 points.

Difference of 1420 points.

AJ Brown and Tanner McKee have to be roughly equal to pick 8 overall. 

 

Out of the 3 scenarios I played out, I most prefer trading up to 3 and drafting Harrison. But you gotta match that value.

Your scenario would depend on how much NE actually likes McKee. But as I said they could very likely land Penix at 22. Coming out of the day with AJ Brown and Penix. 

Yea, I have no idea how to value a player compared to the draft chart. If you add in pick 50 that gets the draft collateral to 1180. Does AJ Brown have the draft value of 1120?

When the Eagles traded for AJ Brown, they gave up 18 and 101, which in 2024 is equal to 996 points. AJ Brown has dominated since then and I see no reason his value wouldn't be similar or even more. 

 

9 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

in some people's minds, that means he's definitely being traded.

That's not really Howie's MO. 

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

That's not really Howie's MO. 

Agree.  But some people will read it as such.  And trading Brown doesn't make a whole bunch of sense right now.

If a similar type WR is drafted next week, then next year, trading Brown makes a whole ton of sense.

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, I have no idea how to value a player compared to the draft chart. If you add in pick 50 that gets the draft collateral to 1180. Does AJ Brown have the draft value of 1120?

When the Eagles traded for AJ Brown, they gave up 18 and 101, which in 2024 is equal to 996 points. AJ Brown has dominated since then and I see no reason his value wouldn't be similar or even more. 

 

yeah I would think that sounds right.

25 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

in some people's minds, that means he's definitely being traded.

Not in mine. However, it doesnt mean hes not either. How many times has a player been unavailable, trade inquiries rejected. Then hes traded. Seems like plenty.

35 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Without hesitation

Brown and a 1st and a backup QB?   Let's trade a top 5 player at their position, plus a 1st round pick, plus an important piece to any team in backup QB, for a college WR who isn't even considered a generational talent, and who some think isn't the top WR in the draft?  Without hesitation?  Oof.

 

Just now, Freshmilk said:

Brown and a 1st and a backup QB?   Let's trade a top 5 player at their position, plus a 1st round pick, plus an important piece to any team in backup QB, for a college WR who isn't even considered a generational talent, and who some think isn't the top WR in the draft?  Without hesitation?  Oof.

 

The only reason there has ever been a Harrison/Nabers debate is because Harrison has spend so long at #1. People get bored and start to overthink. It happens every year with some prospect.

Im not sure who at this point doesnt have Harrison at 1. I know there were some conversations on draft media just to create content and have a discussion. I dont think anyone has realistically settled on Nabers as the true #1.

Also, McKee isnt the backup here. Pickett is.  If anything, Im not sure McKee is enough to push that trade through. 

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Brown and a 1st and a backup QB?   Let's trade a top 5 player at their position, plus a 1st round pick, plus an important piece to any team in backup QB, for a college WR who isn't even considered a generational talent, and who some think isn't the top WR in the draft?  Without hesitation?  Oof.

 

Tanner McKee is as expendable as he ever will be. The Eagles just traded a 3rd round pick for Kenny Pickett. He's the backup QB, and they signed Will Grier, who has experience with Kellen Moore. McKee is on the outside looking in. He very well could be cut. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

The only reason there has ever been a Harrison/Nabers debate is because Harrison has spend so long at #1. People get bored and start to overthink. It happens every year with some prospect.

Im not sure who at this point doesnt have Harrison at 1. I know there were some conversations on draft media just to create content and have a discussion. I dont think anyone has realistically settled on Nabers as the true #1.

Also, McKee isnt the backup here. Pickett is.  If anything, Im not sure McKee is enough to push that trade through. 

Also doesn't hurt that Nabers was killing workouts while Harrison decided to skip all and any workouts for teams. Easy to forget how dominant Harrison is. 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The only reason there has ever been a Harrison/Nabers debate is because Harrison has spend so long at #1. People get bored and start to overthink. It happens every year with some prospect.

Im not sure who at this point doesnt have Harrison at 1. I know there were some conversations on draft media just to create content and have a discussion. I dont think anyone has realistically settled on Nabers as the true #1.

Also, McKee isnt the backup here. Pickett is.  If anything, Im not sure McKee is enough to push that trade through. 

Good points, but why even consider that trade? 

As for ranking players, none of the WRs in this draft regardless of rank are worth Brown, a 1st, and a young, developing backup QB.  

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not in mine. However, it doesnt mean hes not either. How many times has a player been unavailable, trade inquiries rejected. Then hes traded. Seems like plenty.

Any player is available if the comp is good enough. I don't see the Eagles doing it right now, when in a "Super Bowl Window" and few alternatives.  Perhaps when FA started, it's possible.

Only teams like the Titans trade players near the draft cents on the $

Just now, Freshmilk said:

Good points, but why even consider that trade? 

As for ranking players, none of the WRs in this draft regardless of rank are worth Brown, a 1st, and a young, developing backup QB.  

You've gotta look at the whole picture, not just the players but the next 4-5 years. AJ Brown's cap number is $12.6 million and jumps to $26 million next year then $41 million in 2026,when he's 29 years old. he's not seeing that contract as an Eagle. He's either traded or extended. 

CJ Stroud's contract at pick 3 last year was 4 year $36 million contract with 5th year option, with cap hits of $6 million, $8 million, $9.9 million and $11 million.

So you could possibly get Marvin Harrison Jr., who will be 22 when the season starts at half the cost to replace AJ Brown, who is 27 in a few months.

 

4 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Good points, but why even consider that trade? 

As for ranking players, none of the WRs in this draft regardless of rank are worth Brown, a 1st, and a young, developing backup QB.  

IF Brown wanted a trade, or the eagles wanted to trade him, Harrison would be probably the one and only WR in this draft I would be ok with immediately replacing him. So, it seems to me that the best option would be trying to trade up to 3 for Harrison. 

The cost is the cost. McKee is no loss. But Im not sure NE even considers that. No one wants to move from Mac Jones to Tanner McKee. Theyd likely be drafting a QB with our pick. Not interested in taking our 3rd stringer. 

The benefit, getting a cost controlled elite WR on a rookie deal vs contending with the inevitable contract dispute with Brown and sinking that much money in the position. Or trading him for lesser value once that time comes (at that point he is a year or 2 older, malcontent, risk of injuries between now and then- all things diminishing value and our leverage).

 

Im not saying to trade him now. Keep in mind these were just hypothetical playing along with the dumb rumor.

21 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah... but note:  No Combine scores because he wasn't even invited to the Combine.   

Well the NFL only invites football players to the combine so that tracks.  

AJ Brown should be extended 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I don't buy any of the AJ Brown stuff right now, but just to play along...Marvin Harrison Jr. is sitting there at 3. AJ Brown, 22 and Tanner McKee to NE for pick 3.

I wouldn't do that one. But what I would consider is AJ and a 2nd for their 3. Then flip 3 to the Broncos for a haul which would include their 1st rounder next year plus Surtain and other scattered picks. Then trade back up from 11 for Rome or Nabers. At 22 you can go many ways. 

I'm going down a rabbit hole on this stupid "If we trade AJ Brown, what could we get" conversation and need some help @LeanMeanGM and @vikas83

First numbers, cuz the get me hot

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus		Per Game Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
			Signing	Option
2022	25	$986,000	$4,694,894	$0	$0	$0		$986,000		$5,680,894	2.5%
2023 📝	26	$1,080,000	$4,694,894	$2,034,000	$510,000	$240,000		$11,250,000		$8,318,894	3.6%
2024 📝	27	$1,125,000	$4,694,894	$5,859,000	$510,000	$240,000		$21,000,000		$12,380,894	4.8%		$43,172,683	($30,791,789)
2025	28	$15,250,000	$4,694,894	$5,859,000	$510,000	$240,000		$0		$26,505,894	10.2%		$15,443,789	$11,062,105
2026	29	$30,250,000	$4,646,895	$5,859,000	$510,000	$240,000		$0		$41,505,895	14.6%		$8,714,895	$32,791,000
2027 📝	30	Void	$0	$5,859,000	Void	Void		Void		$9,684,000	3.1%		$2,034,000	$7,650,000
2028	31	Void	$0	$3,825,000	Void	Void		Void		$0	--		$0	$0

 

1) The Guaranteed salary of $21 mil but a cap hit of only $12 mil is throwing me off.  

AJ Brown signed a four year, $100 million extension with the Titans. Per PFT, Brown received $57.22 million in guarantees of which $40 million is guaranteed at signing. There are annual per game roster bonuses and workouts in the contract. Brown's salary for the first two years of the contract are guaranteed as well as $3.779 million of his 2024 salary. If on the roster on the 3rd day of the 2023 league year the remainder of his 2024 salary, including workout and roster bonuses will be guaranteed.

Ok, but that still doesn't add up to 21?  I'm probably missing\forgetting something stupid here and I haven't had any caffeine.  

 

2) Putting #1 aside for a sec, if we trade him we eat all the prorated money. $43 million.  IF we were going to trade him and IF we made the room to eat that $43 million hit, wouldn't that make him easily worth a 1st?  The team trading him has a top 5 WR under contract for 3 years for relative peanuts.

 

 

Conclusion: AJ Brown and Tanner McKee for #3!

 

What happened to AJ taking a break from social. He isn’t very good at it.

It's amazing to me, after so many years of having absolute trash at WR, that we now have TWO pro-bowl level receivers and people even want to entertain getting rid of one of them because of some tweets  You people deserve JJaw, Dorial Green-Beckham and Pinkston

52 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You've gotta look at the whole picture, not just the players but the next 4-5 years. AJ Brown's cap number is $12.6 million and jumps to $26 million next year then $41 million in 2026,when he's 29 years old. he's not seeing that contract as an Eagle. He's either traded or extended. 

CJ Stroud's contract at pick 3 last year was 4 year $36 million contract with 5th year option, with cap hits of $6 million, $8 million, $9.9 million and $11 million.

So you could possibly get Marvin Harrison Jr., who will be 22 when the season starts at half the cost to replace AJ Brown, who is 27 in a few months.

 

All good points, but at this point I'm less about the future and all about the now.  Trading a top WR in his twenties plus picks for a rookie WR who may or may not become as good as Brown is a waste of assets. 

Our defense needs talent, youth, speed, attitude.  This draft, get me as much as that as possible.  Those type of players now give us a much better chance to win the SB this season than trading Brown and our first for another WR.

I want defense early and often so bad this draft.