2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

My hopes for Becton are way too high but sorry, I'm just going ultra positive thinking with this move. The Jets are a dump of an organization. If there's ever a place for 1st rounders to go die, that's a great team to do it with. He's coming to the perfect situation in Philly. No pressure. Just come in and learn from the best OL coach in the NFL. Learn from one of the greatest RT in NFL history and a LT who was playing rugby 6 years ago and worked himself to a top player at his position. Come in here and learn and stay healthy. He's 25 years old and could still have a long NFL career ahead of him. Am I being way too optimistic? Probably. But, why the hell not. 

That's 4 former 1st round picks Howie has brought in this year to kick the tires.

Devin White- I think he'll be a good starter.

DeVonte Parker- He's in a battle just to make the roster.

John Ross- MAYBE he gets signed after this weekend and he can compete in camp.

Mekhi Becton- Lane Johnson's understudy.

 

I dont think youre being too optimistic about Becton.

It was curious howie didnt draft a OT then they go and sign Becton who to me is just as good as a 2nd day OT.

Hell probably only be here a year but hey its great depth, he can play RT or LT and I wouldnt be shocked if he came in on jumbo packages with Lane lining up at TE.

Thats a lot of beef up front.

As for Ross and Parker I think theyre both useless but if White shows up that would go along way to solidify the D.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I disagree slightly. I think they planned to trade up for an OL in round 1 and had a feeling that a corner(not necessarily DeJean) would fall to them in round 2. So for example, come out of the first two rounds with say Fautanu and McKinstry.

Just the vibes I got listening to Howie speak after day one and listening to him overall and piecing together some of the reporting prior to the draft, I think Howie wanted one of those premium OL prospects in round 1 since he values it so much.

I disagree slightly less.

I think they have been pretty happy with their day 2 OL picks.  Stoutland can take a Choice cut and turn it into Angus.  It was less likely that McKinstry would be available in round 2 than the likes of Guyton, Paul, Rosengarten, Suamataia, etc.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

I disagree slightly less.

I think they have been pretty happy with their day 2 OL picks.  Stoutland can take a Choice cut and turn it into Angus.  It was less likely that McKinstry would be available in round 2 than the likes of Guyton, Paul, Rosengarten, Suamataia, etc.

We'll likely never know. I've had a feeling for a while though that since Lane has been so incredibly good for this team and the standard of having a top OL in football for years, when Lane retires, they're going to want the least level of drop off possible. Not just at RT but across the whole line. I don't think Howie is going to want to live in a reality where the OL falls apart without Lane. So I do think if/when they address RT, it will be the guy they think has the best chance of being an elite OT. That doesn't mean that they won't take other random dart board throws along the way. When the Eagles value a position they usually address it in a variety of ways and keep investing in it. But given the Eagles offseason and how they locked up so many players and addressed so many long-term needs, I could actually see Howie trading a big chunk of his draft capital next year to move into the top 10 for the top OT, for example. Should one be available that is worthy of doing so.

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I disagree slightly. I think they planned to trade up for an OL in round 1 and had a feeling that a corner(not necessarily DeJean) would fall to them in round 2. So for example, come out of the first two rounds with say Fautanu and McKinstry.

Just the vibes I got listening to Howie speak after day one and listening to him overall and piecing together some of the reporting prior to the draft, I think Howie wanted one of those premium OL prospects in round 1 since he values it so much.

That's the vibe I got too.

11 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I would have preferred seeing him on a shorter leash on his first start.  Fortunately it didn’t result in a loss.

They left him in too long, certainly.    And you are correct, the timing should have called for them to pull him quicker than in a normal start.  BUT... I think they were laser focused on trying to save the bullpen so that they could go with a 6 man rotation for this week, at least.   If the bullpen were stressed, they'd have needed Turnbull in the bullpen, but without needing the bullpen much at all this weekend, they can give the starter's an extra day of rest... which is a great thing, especially with how long they have been throwing in games recently.   A little extra rest will be good... AND Turnbull has been pitching so well in the rotation, it is a potential mistake to put him in the bullpen for the first time in his career.   I prefer the 6 man rotation for as long as they can keep it up.   It will also keep Wheeler, Nola and Suarez fresher for when they will really need them in October.

10 hours ago, devpool said:

We're in the window right now. There is literally zero excuse for this offense to not be top 3 this season, and if the defense can be just average then there's no reason to not make it to the Super Bowl in this conference. 

If SF gives Purdy a mega contract this season, they probably fall off a cliff and next season becomes out best shot unless Detroit stays hot

Agreed with the talent they have there's no excuse

4 hours ago, RLC said:

A bunch of statues and QBs who hold onto the ball too long. This is not a "Becton is good" post, but rather a "he'll naturally be better here". 

What's wrong with statues? Lol

4 hours ago, judunno said:

I can only imagine what Moore is going to do. Night and Day from Day 1.

I was super excited about Moore until the PC where they said it's still Nick's offense

4 hours ago, CouchKing said:

OC Kellen Moore is limited by what Jalen Hurts can do.

So, it's more like...I imagine Jalen Hurts will have a better OC this year.

And, then, it's up to QB1 to get it done.

Don't forget the QB coach

14 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Somebody gave the Falcons an "A" 

An "A" for incompetent boobness? Not much competition this year.

38 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

My hopes for Becton are way too high but sorry, I'm just going ultra positive thinking with this move. The Jets are a dump of an organization. If there's ever a place for 1st rounders to go die, that's a great team to do it with. He's coming to the perfect situation in Philly. No pressure. Just come in and learn from the best OL coach in the NFL. Learn from one of the greatest RT in NFL history and a LT who was playing rugby 6 years ago and worked himself to a top player at his position. Come in here and learn and stay healthy. He's 25 years old and could still have a long NFL career ahead of him. Am I being way too optimistic? Probably. But, why the hell not. 

That's 4 former 1st round picks Howie has brought in this year to kick the tires.

Devin White- I think he'll be a good starter.

DeVonte Parker- He's in a battle just to make the roster.

John Ross- MAYBE he gets signed after this weekend and he can compete in camp.

Mekhi Becton- Lane Johnson's understudy.

 

Becton is the most exciting of these signings. He's only 25. Last season he was coming off of a knee injury.  He gave up a bunch of sacks.  I found this article about him.  https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/11/17/time-admit-ny-jets-player-struggling/  I think there's a lot of work to be done but he has the physical skills.  It looks like he didn't get deep enough in his pass protection sets and then gets off balance because he's reaching to make contact.  I don't know if he's a long-term replacement but he could be a player that looks much better with the Eagles and at least generates a comp pick.  

I think Devin White may look really good at times. Then they wil give up a third and long we will wonder where the coverage was and it will be because White is way out of place.  

If Parker or Ross make the roster, it's because there is  an injury or the draft picks look awful. 

20 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I disagree slightly less.

I think they have been pretty happy with their day 2 OL picks.  Stoutland can take a Choice cut and turn it into Angus.  It was less likely that McKinstry would be available in round 2 than the likes of Guyton, Paul, Rosengarten, Suamataia, etc.

.  Angus is a TYPE/BREED of cattle.    Choice is a GRADE of meat.     

I think you mean he can take a Choice cut and make it turn out like Prime.  

I've read some interesting analytical arguments for Penix, but they all assume Penix is a legitimate 10 prospect and not an old, injury-prone 24 year old QB.

50 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Just looked at FSU stats.  Keon only had 9 more catches while playing 2 more games than Johnny.  Way more TD's but everything else pretty similar.

Yeah.  But Keon is the better clothes shopper.

3 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Can Hurts do hot routes and blitz beaters? I don't think so.

Why don't you think so?

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

I've read some interesting analytical argument for Penix, but they all assume Penix is a legitimate 10 prospect and not an old, injury-prone 24 year old QB.

He's good.  And he would be good if he ever got to play. 

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Tough to do when they're not in your system. Check this out. We run out of an empty set. All five receivers go out. They rush six against five OL. One more than we can block. Is there a hot receiver? NO. Nobody looks back to the QB. That's a system breakdown. 

I think the QB is supposed to read the defense and alert his WRs/call hot.

Did he? We will never know. But based on what his WRs did,  it looks like he didn't. 

Based on what we know of Hurts, like how other defenses recognize "he can't read", he probably didn't. 

Based on the fact that he has 2 veteran WRs and a very veteran TE and these guys should know what they are doing,  it appears as if they didn't get the call.  Or else they likely would do the right thing.  So again,  we can surmise that he probably didn't. 

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Shucks I had high hopes for him

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

.  Angus is a TYPE/BREED of cattle.    Choice is a GRADE of meat.     

I think you mean he can take a Choice cut and make it turn out like Prime.  

I just look at the stickers.  

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He's good.  And he would be good if he ever got to play. 

He's a good QB who can't stay healthy in college. 

23 minutes ago, judunno said:

Why don't you think so?

  4 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Can Hurts do hot routes and blitz beaters? I don't think so.

________________________________________________________________

Because Hurts keys on one side of the field and a couple receivers.

He doesn't throw over the middle often.

At the first sign of trouble, pressure, blitz. Hurts takes off running.

He doesn't look for or find the outlet pass. 

He is not a mature pocket passer that can punish the other team.

 

 

Becton has played some tight end in past. Think they find a way to get him on the field in different spots. Can be a 6th lineman on goal line. Even played RB in college. Feels like this coaching staff is going to be a lot more unpredictable on both sides of the ball and will be willing to shuffle people around and tinker. Regardless, he should get a few starts at tackle as Lane has had his share of injuries and is getting older. And Stout may experiment with him at guard. One thing for sure, if he's any good this year Howie won't let him leave the building. 

30 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Becton is the most exciting of these signings. He's only 25. Last season he was coming off of a knee injury.  He gave up a bunch of sacks.  I found this article about him.  https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/11/17/time-admit-ny-jets-player-struggling/  I think there's a lot of work to be done but he has the physical skills.  It looks like he didn't get deep enough in his pass protection sets and then gets off balance because he's reaching to make contact.  I don't know if he's a long-term replacement but he could be a player that looks much better with the Eagles and at least generates a comp pick.  

I think Devin White may look really good at times. Then they wil give up a third and long we will wonder where the coverage was and it will be because White is way out of place.  

If Parker or Ross make the roster, it's because there is  an injury or the draft picks look awful. 

Depends though also. Ross was a special talent coming out just didn't live up to the hype of being a speedy receiver. Maybe they bring in djax and he helps him a bit if they think he is worth a shot 

 

Also would be interesting to see that speed in the slot on slants to break him free.

4 hours ago, just relax said:

Sure he can. That stuff is easy. Anybody can be Captain Checkdown. We just didn’t have it in our offense last year.

He wasnt good at it prior seasons either though

So Will Shipley is a little redundant with Gainwell. They do a lot of the same things. Now, maybe the Eagles just want guys like that. But I wonder if maybe the Eagles would throw Gainwell and a conditional pick to the Texans for Dameon Pierce. Pierce gives the Eagles a little bit different of a flavor compared to what the Eagles have and Gainwell could give the Texans someone who can play a little bit of a scat back role since Mixon is a guy who gets a lot of carries.

Player for player trades in the NFL are rare so doubt it happens, but just throwing it out there as a trade idea.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Tough to do when they're not in your system. Check this out. We run out of an empty set. All five receivers go out. They rush six against five OL. One more than we can block. Is there a hot receiver? NO. Nobody looks back to the QB. That's a system breakdown. 

I was very frustrated with Johnson's offense.

It seemed to be a college style big program scheme where you try to get your best receivers matched up one on one against a CB who'll never sniff a NFL camp.

In the NFL, even scrubs can cover for a couple seconds, with no RBs who could pass block, an empty backfield might seem to make sense, but you have to have the hot receiver option if the opponent throws a zero blitz at you.

This is where I think Moore will make a huge difference, the big play mentality only works if you first take care of business, that is, can force teams to defend your base offense and then catch them being overly aggressive. You can burn bad defenses with a big play first offense, but against good teams they'll take that away and force you to dink and dunk.

You have to master the basics (run game, short game, pass protection, blitz pickup, hot receivers) before you stretch the envelope.

Interesting breakdown on John Ross. Sounds like he was good on deep balls out running zone and screens where he could use speed to make people miss.