1 minute ago, hputenis said:

A plan?  Well yippideedooo! 

His plan is to get some old white wrinkly balls in the offseason

2 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

 That's why Rivera fits, he dealt with Snyder for years, he'll go along, to get along.  Plus Nick going into a lame duck season won't bother him either.   Nick's job security, or lack thereof may keep some candidates away.  I don't see Martindale as a good fit either, if he doesn't mind arguing with coaches, imagine what he'll tell Howie when Howie shows up to meetings, plus practices and starts yelling at a player, lol.  Wink would stuff him in a garbage can.  

I’d add it’s been 4 years since wink has had a top half of the league defense. As well as he doesn’t maximize the talent he has. He’s great when given superior talent. But with lesser talent that the eagles likely to have he’s very underwhelming. I want someone that develops talent and know how to utilize the player to the best of his abilities. That’s not exactly his strong suit 

10 minutes ago, Godfather said:

They've already tried that route. Do you honestly think they would try that again after what had happened? Howie's V would dry up and would go into hiding

sarcasm...

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

His plan is to get some old white wrinkly balls in the offseason

Now we all know this plan has been TM'd by @mikemack8.  Only difference is he never has an offseason.  

I can't handle a year of Sirianni fawning over Frank Reich every day. 

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't handle a year of Sirianni fawning over Frank Reich every day. 

At least it’ll likely only be a year. Have a feeling everyone is getting canned at the end of next year. 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Here’s your problem he had a stack defense for 3 years. You’re not gonna have that here. He’s showed for 3 consecutive years when he played with lesser talent he cant get the most out of it. Are the Eagles gonna have the ravens talent on defense they had those three years? No. so basically he’s Gannon who struggled with lesser talent and exceeded when given all the talent in the world.  That’s a problem whether you want to discount it or not.

also, just because you’re good at something 4 years ago, doesn’t mean you are gonna recapture it 4 years later. It’s been four years since the last time he had a top defense. Meaning the league might have caught up to him. Meaning he’s not adaptive to what he does to get the most out of his players. Also a problem. It’s been 3 years of bad defenses. This isn’t a 1 year issue. His personnel with the giants is likely close to what he’s gonna get here so what made you think watching the giants defense the past two years is going to bring the most out of a depleted defense here? Not looking good on that aspect 

If your reason is well they changed philosophy so even if it fails at least they tried better than what they have been doing, that’s a BS logic. You want a defense that maximizes their personnel and a DC that can play to the strengths of his defensive guys and is adaptable. I guarantee if the eagles are getting destroyed when he blitzes people aren’t going to be like "well at least we aren’t playing patty cake anymore”  

You ever heard of jimjohnson???

Not the Cowboys coach the eagle Legend?

His first year with the colts they had a top 5 defense, fast forward to his fourth season they were ranked dead last. He got fired and you know who hired him?

Andy Reid because when Reid was an assistant coach in GB he said preparing for a JJ defense was a nightmare and gave their offense fits. He said if he ever had a chance to hire him as his DC he would so he did.

According to your logic Andy should have never hired JJ because JJ was on a downward trend.

I think bringing in a DC with an attacking aggressive game plan is a guy and a defense guys want to play in and for.

Wink like buddy is well respected and liked by his players, guys would run through a wall for buddy and they did, guys wouldnt run through paper machet for desai and obviously not for patricia.

Eagles players loved JJ as well, eagles need to get back to coaches that players want to play for, coaches that playets want to impress instead of analytical robots calling heartless schemes.

Wink may totally fail but id bet his players would stay with him til the last breath, what i saw from the giants this year was a D with a lot of heart and no quit, unlike the eagles who folded up shop months ago...

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Nope. Hasn't been a DC for 14 years now. He's a dinosaur who isn't going to bring anything new or exciting to the table. 

This defense doesn't need anything new or exciting. If they simply tackled better and didn't blow coverage after coverage by being in the wrong places constantly they would have been a middle of the pack defense on that alone. The Eagles defense under Gannon was pretty boring and vanilla but they got to the QB, tackled, and other than in the SB were in the right places far more often than not in the secondary. Not saying I'm all in Riverboat Ron but that's just a fact.

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

You ever heard if jimmy johnson???

Not the Cowboys coach the eagle Legend?

His first year with the colts they had a top 5 defense, fast forward to his fourth season they were ranked dead last. He got fired and you know who hired him?

Andy Reid because when Reid was an assistant coach in GB he said preparing for a JJ defense was a nightmare and gave their offense fits. He said if he ever had a chance to hire him as his DC he would so he did.

According to your logic Andy should have never hired JJ because JJ was on a downward trend.

I think bringing in a DC with an attacking aggressive game plan is a guy and a defense guys want to play in and for.

Wink like buddy is well respected and liked by his players, guys would run through a wall for buddy and they did, guys wouldnt run through paper machet for desai and obviously not for patricia.

Eagles players loved JJ as well, eagles need to get back to coaches that players want to play for, coaches they want to impress instead of analytical robots calling heartless schemes.

Wink may totally fail but id bet his players would stay with him til the last breath, what i saw from the giants this year was a D with a lot of heart and no quit, unlike the eagles who folded up shop months ago...

So decades ago jim Johnson hit big? That’s your logic. I can give more that had success early and then failed and never recaptured. You seem to live in a Jim Johnson is the norm. HES NOT. That’s called an outlier. There’s way more coaches that succeeded with great talent then when having to show with lesser talent couldn’t do it. That’s exactly where wink martindale is currently. 

Great they’ll stick with wink when the defense is already not good to begin with cause he doesn’t maximize lesser personnel which has been proven for 3 consecutive years. So the giants and ravens fought hard the last 3 years and still were bottom half of the league. Makes me feel worse as they were actually trying and still not good. Meanwhile the team didn’t give up until the stupidity of demoting desai for Patricia. I’m guessing you were likely on board with the Patricia move as it wouldn’t get worse. I wasn’t. Heck Patricia falls into this same thing. He was good with New England early in his career when he had the superior talent. And then last year with NE and 3 years in Detroit he plummeted. Guess what? He never got back to where he was.

this discussion is going to go nowhere cause the one argument you have is Jj. who you aren’t going to ever going to replicate and wink isn’t Fing Jj. Add on he’s been a pain in the ass every organization he’s gone to and been shown the door. fans live in this world cause jj was awesome that everyone that blitzes is able to do what jj did and at least it’s closer to Jj. Have a good day. I done having a discussion on jj being to justify Winn when there’s more guys that can be used the opposite way to downgrade wink 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Don't fumble then

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't handle a year of Sirianni fawning over Frank Reich every day. 

2 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

Desai and Patricia Gone.  Brand new Defense on the way.   Let's get it right this time.   Howie needs to invest heavy into the Defense.  Offensive needs a few adjustments but for the most part they did produce this year.   Our Defense wasn't as tough as last year too me.  They were letting too many lesser QB's have field days.   We need to get back to that Tough Eagles Defense.   

They need to sign AT LEAST premier free agent to add to the defense and while they probably won't they should use their first and both seconds on defense in the draft. Lurie and Roseman have taken the idea that offense wins in today's NFL to an extreme to where they seem to think defense doesn't matter which is obviously bulljive.

30 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Yeah that's it, I've heard that this guy Chip Kelly is the most innovative mind out there. Wonder what he is doing?

Yeah, cause gimmicky is what innovative means. He absolutely is the only example. Forget Miami, SF, Detroit, Houston, and SF. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

This is a joke. Don't fumble when you're that close to scoring. Problem solved. The penalty for the mistake should be harsh. You're protecting the ball with your life just like the defense is protecting the EZ with theirs. If the defense fails, they give up points. However, if you fail and can't hold on to the ball when you're THAT close to scoring, well there should be a penalty. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Bummer, I love this rule

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

This defense doesn't need anything new or exciting. If they simply tackled better and didn't blow coverage after coverage by being in the wrong places constantly they would have been a middle of the pack defense on that alone. The Eagles defense under Gannon was pretty boring and vanilla but they got to the QB, tackled, and other than in the SB were in the right places far more often than not in the secondary. Not saying I'm all in Riverboat Ron but that's just a fact.

I don't need a brand new or innovative, exotic defense. But I would rather have someone with some type of upside. If all Ron brings to the table is the basics, that feels like a bad hire. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Rivera might not be an exciting hire, but he would bring a calming influence over Nick. 

Yep. People shitting all over the idea of RR because they would prefer the flavor of the week hot new name are funny. While I don't necessarily believe he would be a home run, he would be a nice solid double in the gap which this defense could use after striking out looking all year. For those who don't dig analogies, they could definitely do worse. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So decades ago jim Johnson hit big? That’s your logic. I can give more that had success early and then failed. You seem to live in a Jim Johnson is the norm. HES NOT. 

Never said JJ is the norm but either is wink.

Im saying if the eagles want a philosophical change not just in scheme but personality and attitude than wink is the guy 

When Desai first got here he talked about how he wanted the D to be felt that we could feel it through the TV, i felt it alright but i dont think nauseated was the feeling Desai was going for.

When desai says stuff like that its taken with a grain of salt when a guy like Wink says it it carries a bit more weight cuz whether or not its effective one feels his defenses, the intensity of that type of D bleeds through the TV and it used to bleed green.

Eagles in my opinion need to get away from the passive style of D theyve been playing and bring in some one who can instill an aggressiveness to the D. Start there, if it fails at least one tried to play to win instead of sitting back playing not to lose.

 

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

They need to sign AT LEAST premier free agent to add to the defense and while they probably won't they should use their first and both seconds on defense in the draft. Lurie and Roseman have taken the idea that offense wins in today's NFL to an extreme to where they seem to think defense doesn't matter which is obviously bulljive.

Gimme Sneed or Johnson at corner, S Kam Kinchens, LB Cooper and CB Melton. If they want to go Dline I like Brandon Dorlus who can play multiple positions. 

41 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The innovative mind has to want to come here.  With the current Eagles D, why bother?  An innovative DC will require assurances of improving the LB and DB talent.  Can't cover NFL WRs with 5 undrafted free agents.

I also think they don’t want to hire a coordinator that is a fast riser and likely to be gone in a season or two. 

31 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Wasn’t it 7 straight tds drives allowed with a carry over into the next week?

Way to move those goalposts. The question is, are you blaming the defense for a loss in which the offense did absolutely nothing? Because your post implies that you are.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Never said JJ is the norm but either is wink.

Im saying if the eagles want a philosophical change not just in scheme but personality and attitude than wink is the guy 

When Desai first got here he talked about how he wanted the D to be felt that we could feel it through the TV, i felt it alright but i dont think nauseated was the feeling Desai was going for.

When desai says stuff like that its taken with a grain of salt when a guy like Wink says it it carries a bit more weight cuz whether or not its effective one feels his defenses, the intensity of that type of D bleeds through the TV and it used to bleed green.

Eagles in my opinion need to get away from the passive style of D theyve been playing and bring in some one who can instill an aggressiveness to the D. Start there, if it fails at least one tried to play to win instead of sitting back playing not to lose.

 

Don’t disagree to get away from the passive style. However i also want someone who’s not passive and actually can adjust and schematically do less with more. Wink doesn’t do that. It’s been proven his scheme works if he has great personnel. Without it they just play hard and not too half of the league. I can find someone willing to philosophically use the blitz but also knows how to develop and maximize talent besides only blitzing. Wink ain’t that imo. Jj is unique cause he could blitz, he was creative in a multitude of ways and could develop/maximize the talent he was given wink hasn’t proven that. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is a joke. Don't fumble when you're that close to scoring. Problem solved. The penalty for the mistake should be harsh. You're protecting the ball with your life just like the defense is protecting the EZ with theirs. If the defense fails, they give up points. However, if you fail and can't hold on to the ball when you're THAT close to scoring, well there should be a penalty. 

Yup.

Next someone is going to suggest fumbles recovered by the D should just be a loss of down because change if possession is just too harsh a consequence.

Dont want the other team to get possession of the ball then hold onto the effin ball...

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Don't fumble then

So reward them for fumbling? Loss of down back to the LOS if nothing else.