1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

The real question now is if the new offensive coordinator has to cosplay his offense to Sirianni or if he will have the autonomy to run his own stuff. I seriously doubt Johnson got to, and that would likely limit the quality of candidate we can attract. 

This is what makes this situation so toxic.

Either the new OC has full autonomy of the offense, which makes Sirianni useless. He's not some generational coach that must be kept at all cost to where even if he's not running the offense or defense he's irreplaceable.

Or Sirianni still has full say on the offense, which means the new OC is basically just calling plays from Sirianni's playbook, which severely handicaps the potential of the offense that was so predictable and stagnant.

Either outcome sucks. The whole situation sucks.

11 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

So Nick should have stuck up for coaches that 95% of this board wanted gone? 

If I'm a head coach and my coordinators suck there is only so much I can do.

I don't know why Doug stuck up for Press Taylor.  He sucks.  Doug should have just cut ties.  He might still be here today. 

 

Nick is the HC.  He is primarily responsible for his staff sucking.  Keeping him while he throws his staff under the bus to save his ass is just going to cause all sorts issues of getting quality coordinators in here under him.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

This is what makes this situation so toxic.

Either the new OC has full autonomy of the offense, which makes Sirianni useless. He's not some generational coach that must be kept at all cost to where even if he's not running the offense or defense he's irreplaceable.

Or Sirianni still has full say on the offense, which means the new OC is basically just calling plays from Sirianni's playbook, which severely handicaps the potential of the offense that was so predictable and stagnant.

Either outcome sucks. The whole situation sucks.

Coordinators are not head coaches; they do different jobs with different responsibilities.  Sirianni was an OC for 3 years in IND -- he's capable of learning another system that a new OC would bring.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Eagles: 1 3rd, 3 5ths.

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know what we will see but I don't think veteran experience is necessarily going to be required.  

I’d be surprised if their next OC is a first time OC after what just went down with Brian Johnson as a first time OC 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Coordinators are not head coaches; they do different jobs with different responsibilities.  Sirianni was an OC for 3 years in IND -- he's capable of learning another system that a new OC would bring.

But Sirianni has his offensive philosophies that he believes in. If Lowie don't believe in his philosophies anymore and they want an OC with a new philosophy to come in and change the offense, why would you keep Sirianni?

34 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am guessing Sirianni has been told that he needs help fixing things.  

Right, but what does that actually mean? He needs someone new to bring him ideas? Or will that person actually have more authority?

I'm struggling to find an OC who has all these necessary qualities
A) Bringing new ideas
B) Sirianni is comfortable delegating to
C) Sirianni is comfortable collaborating with
D) Can call plays

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This is what makes this situation so toxic.

Either the new OC has full autonomy of the offense, which makes Sirianni useless. He's not some generational coach that must be kept at all cost to where even if he's not running the offense or defense he's irreplaceable.

Or Sirianni still has full say on the offense, which means the new OC is basically just calling plays from Sirianni's playbook, which severely handicaps the potential of the offense that was so predictable and stagnant.

Either outcome sucks. The whole situation sucks.

It doesn’t have to be toxic. It can be as simple Sirianni can step in with certain plays or certain strategies like, ok, we need to run the ball here, or let’s play with pace, let’s chew clock, etc. Sirianni is the HC and should have some say over the offense (and the defense as well). The issue to me would be Sirianni putting the game plan together throughout the week. Let the OC do that with only some say from Sirianni. 

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But Sirianni has his offensive philosophies that he believes in. If Lowie don't believe in his philosophies anymore and they want an OC with a new philosophy to come in and change the offense, why would you keep Sirianni?

Sirianni’s philosophies are not unique. He just needs help from someone to deploy them. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

It doesn’t have to be toxic. It can be as simple Sirianni can step in with certain plays or certain strategies like, ok, we need to run the ball here, or let’s play with pace, let’s chew clock, etc. Sirianni is the HC and should have some say over the offense (and the defense as well). The issue to me would be Sirianni putting the game plan together throughout the week. Let the OC do that with only some say from Sirianni. 

That's the best case scenario if Sirianni is coming back. But if he's being relegated to that role he should've been fired. You'd think Howie and Lurie have higher desires for their head coach than this.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

If Hurts has the exact same 2023 season we're a SB contender with a league-average defense.

We wouldn’t make it out of the divisional round with league average defense plus 2023 Hurts.

17 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Haven't been able to since about 2004 or so on the old board.  

@Moderator12 @Moderator5 Since there's actually a player named the sugary beverage that is kool, can we get that word removed from the filter?

36 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Problems with this is QB1 can’t read a defense so how is he going to make similar throws that Stafford makes? Not a system fit for our very limited qb

that is correct. at the same time, you cant stick with the OC running the college offense for his butt buddy. You have to get a real OC in here and make this QB run a real offense trial by fire. Make the decision after the season about him. He will sink or swim. We need to know. Because babying him is no longer working. Its too simplistic and the NFL has it figured out.

Why is kewl-aid filtered? 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sirianni’s philosophies are not unique. He just needs help from someone to deploy them. 

They aren't, but I don't think as long as Sirianni's philosophies are king, you'll get the most out of the QB.

 Wat

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

Eagles: 1 3rd, 3 5ths.

they are never right. Ill wait till the official comp picks are actually announced.

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But Sirianni has his offensive philosophies that he believes in. If Lowie don't believe in his philosophies anymore and they want an OC with a new philosophy to come in and change the offense, why would you keep Sirianni?

you are ignoring all of the offensive philosophies that he believed in before he had to adapt everything for his college level QB. Siri is capable of more. Hopefully with a different OC they are ready to make Hurts adapt to running an NFL offense.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

So again was it Sirianni's game plan in 2022 or Steichen.  Because most that don't like Siri just point to that season as all Steichen.

Another thing.  Any OC has to look at this offensive roster and feel they could do great things.  The pieces are there.  QB, Wrs, TE, O-line.  

It's not like a new OC would be taking over an offense with Greg Ward and Travis Fulgham as their top receivers. 

Gotta give Shanny some credit. He loses coaches all the time and knows exactly how to replace them and keep the pipeline full. 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

that is correct. at the same time, you cant stick with the OC running the college offense for his butt buddy. You have to get a real OC in here and make this QB run a real offense trial by fire. Make the decision after the season about him. He will sink or swim. We need to know. Because babying him is no longer working. Its too simplistic and the NFL has it figured out.

I agree with this. His strength was RPO scheme that for some reason we barely used this year. 

 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

you are ignoring all of the offensive philosophies that he believed in before he had to adapt everything for his college level QB. Siri is capable of more. Hopefully with a different OC they are ready to make Hurts adapt to running an NFL offense.

He doesn't scheme guys open. Watching the Packers and Lions is like watching a different sport. It's obvious you don't think highly of Hurts as a QB. If Hurts was such a problem that you say, wouldn't it make sense to help him more by scheming guys open and adjusting the offense to give him easier throws? Hurts had one of the 3 worst expected completion percentages in the NFL. Meaning he's always making incredibly difficult throws. When you have arguably the best pass catching trio in the NFL with Brown, Smith, Goedert and still have to make incredibly difficult throws, that tells you the offense isn't scheming guys open. You see how often the Lions throw to Gibbs and get him out in space, the Eagles rarely did this with Swift this season. It's one of his best attributes and they never utilized it. It's coaching malpractice. And when he's out there hobbling around on a bum knee they kept having him run QB draws and sweeps. Nothing they did the entire season was designed for him to thrive.

Sirianni(and the Eagles brass) are big believers that you win with explosive plays on offesne and lose by giving them up on defense. It's why they run so many vertical routes.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to believe overnight he can start scheming up a more QB friendly offense for his QB when he had an entire year to do it and did nothing to adjust, until he proves it first.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

This is the nfl. Any coach who’s trying to get promoted will jump at any opportunity to do so. Maybe they struggle trying to hire a tenured coach but any up and coming guy will be all over this opportunity. Not for just the birds but for any job in the nfl