1 minute ago, RLC said:

 

I'm confused on why Howie is getting credit for comp picks of players leaving to somewhere else

I'm just going to assume whatever "plan" they have is going to be a disaster. Hopefully I eat crow this time next year.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm confused on why Howie is getting credit for comp picks of players leaving to somewhere else

Twitter has a ton of dumb people. Yell about Howie letting guys walk one week, now praising him for... letting guys walk. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Wow.  Who could have thought of THAT being an issue?   🤔. How did NO ONE bring that up?

 

 

Oh wait... NVM.   It was always obviously going to be an issue.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

He doesn't scheme guys open. Watching the Packers and Lions is like watching a different sport. It's obvious you don't think highly of Hurts as a QB. If Hurts was such a problem that you say, wouldn't it make sense to help him more by scheming guys open and adjusting the offense to give him easier throws? Hurts had one of the 3 worst expected completion percentages in the NFL. Meaning he's always making incredibly difficult throws. When you have arguably the best pass catching trio in the NFL with Brown, Smith, Goedert and still have to make incredibly difficult throws, that tells you the offense isn't scheming guys open. You see how often the Lions throw to Gibbs and get him out in space, the Eagles rarely did this with Swift this season. It's one of his best attributes and they never utilized it. It's coaching malpractice. And when he's out there hobbling around on a bum knee they kept having him run QB draws and sweeps. Nothing they did the entire season was designed for him to thrive.

Sirianni(and the Eagles brass) are big believers that you win with explosive plays on offesne and lose by giving them up on defense. It's why they run so many vertical routes.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to believe overnight he can start scheming up a more QB friendly offense for his QB when he had an entire year to do it and did nothing to adjust, until he proves it first.

you cant run those schemes if the QB is limited. Its a catch 22. You have to run this simple stuff that stopped working.

Now hopefully they are bringing in an OC with real NFL concepts and forcing Hurts to adapt, or begin planning to move on whenever we can.

You are very misled by the stats. How many times have we seen Hurts force a deep ball to Brown in double or triple coverage when he has open WRs in other places on the field? So many. Its not the scheme forcing those hard throws. Its Hurts poor decision making, or favoring his friend or not seeing the field, whatever the reason. A TON of it is on Hurts. Not the scheme or coaches. 

What about Pep Hamilton for OC?  

Or Pete Carmichael?  That was a long run of productive football in New Orleans.  

Man, who knew Nick Wright had so many troll accounts on the EMB...

I like playing the comp pick game. I just wish Howie was better at replacing the players he lets walk, like the Ravens. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow.  Who could have thought of THAT being an issue?   🤔. How did NO ONE bring that up?

 

 

Oh wait... NVM.   It was always obviously going to be an issue.

thats some dumb guy speculating, obviously biased.

In reality its an attractive job. There is talent, and supposedly an elite QB in place. Winning franchise with an owner who spends tons money. Elite GM. Doing well here always leads to promotions here or elsewhere. 

Theres no reason why an OC wouldnt want to come here.

21 minutes ago, twistr said:

@Moderator12 @Moderator5 Since there's actually a player named the sugary beverage that is kool, can we get that word removed from the filter?

I always thought it should be removed anyway. Why should anyone care how it’s used?

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

you cant run those schemes if the QB is limited. Its a catch 22. You have to run this simple stuff that stopped working.

Now hopefully they are bringing in an OC with real NFL concepts and forcing Hurts to adapt, or begin planning to move on whenever we can.

You are very misled by the stats. How many times have we seen Hurts force a deep ball to Brown in double or triple coverage when he has open WRs in other places on the field? So many. Its not the scheme forcing those hard throws. Its Hurts poor decision making, or favoring his friend or not seeing the field, whatever the reason. A TON of it is on Hurts. Not the scheme or coaches. 

I disagree, I think Hurts was an issue, but I put it more on the coaches. 5% of his throws this season were to the middle of the field, that's insane. And if you look at the route tree breakdowns every week, it isn't Hurts just ignoring the middle of the field, they run very few routes that target that area of the field. And naturally the one time they did vs the Bucs was a massive play to Smith and they never go back to it again.

I think Hurts' ceiling as a QB is much higher than Sirianni's ceiling as a coach.

39 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But Sirianni has his offensive philosophies that he believes in. If Lowie don't believe in his philosophies anymore and they want an OC with a new philosophy to come in and change the offense, why would you keep Sirianni?

Like others have said, there’s a lot that we don’t know.  So the optics of firing a head coach who’s made the playoffs every year plus a Super Bowl appearance would be bad. 
 

That said, pretty sure Sirianni will remain as a figure head type of head coach, with very limited input on offense (yes, basically giving up his vision of the offense) and with next to zero input on the defense. 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I disagree, I think Hurts was an issue, but I put it more on the coaches. 5% of his throws this season were to the middle of the field, that's insane. And if you look at the route tree breakdowns every week, it isn't Hurts just ignoring the middle of the field, they run very few routes that target that area of the field. And naturally the one time they did vs the Bucs was a massive play to Smith and they never go back to it again.

I think Hurts' ceiling as a QB is much higher than Sirianni's ceiling as a coach.

We saw Hurts' ceiling. We think. But it was a ceiling in a college scheme that may already be antiquated in the NFL. 

We need to start to establish what his ceiling looks like in an NFL style offense.  You assume Siri is not capable of running one but ignore that Siri had a career before he had to adapt everything to Hurts' limitations. Siri is obviously capable. Now we have to hope the plan is to allow him to switch back to doing that stuff. And then we have to hope Hurts actually has a high ceiling playing that style of football.

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Any pick over the cap should move one of the 4 comp picks up a round. 

Lose your OC, play the comp pick game, have a terrible offensive scheme and poor quality at most of the positions you lost in FA.

Sorry, is this 2018?

Even in an OC search Siri is an anchor around this team neck.

He’s legitimately the most useless coach the birds have had in living memory. Good for nothing.

1 hour ago, purplefiggy said:

Given Nick’s offensive challenges the past 2 seasons, I don’t think he has much power over the offense. In fact, I would think the next OC is being handed the keys and told "you got this” not necessarily by Nick but by Howie and Lurie 

Totally agree - no way Nick even has final say over this offense after this year's performance. I don't agree with that tweet at all. Not to be overly optimistic, because I did want Sirianni fired but if both coordinators are handed the keys because of their experience, I could see it working. I just wish this is what we did last year and 2023 would not have been a waste. 

53 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Would you?

It depends.   If the issue was that I was part of the problem (like most of us believe regarding Brian Johnson and the offense) then absolutely, I would own it.    On the defensive side, there's two pieces at play.  Who REALLY made the call to replace Desai mid-season with Patricia?  If that was my decision, then I am going to own that too.   If, on the other hand, it was forced on me, then, no I would not.  And the people who forced it on me should know.

 

Sirianni would have job opportunities elsewhere if fired by the Eagles.   Granted, he might not get an offer as NFL HC.  And he likely wouldn't even get an offer as an OC... but its possible he could restart as a WR coach.   IIRC, Joe Bugel moved up to HC in Arizona years ago, bombed out, and then went back to coaching OL.   Sirianni could do that, or could go to a college somewhere and likely have success as a HC.  He's got options.  Not as lucrative, but likely things he's better suited for.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Like others have said, there’s a lot that we don’t know.  So the optics of firing a head coach who’s made the playoffs every year plus a Super Bowl appearance would be bad. 
 

That said, pretty sure Sirianni will remain as a figure head type of head coach, with very limited input on offense (yes, basically giving up his vision of the offense) and with next to zero input on the defense. 

Is that good enough for you? It isn't for me. It shouldn't be for Lurie and Howie. We've set the bar so low to where when it started and Sirianni was hired it was "He's a young bright offensive mind with a lot of leadership potential." And now it's "He can just be a CEO coach with limited influence on the offense and none on defense." Any front office and fan should want more from their head coach than that.

We deserve better as a coach than that. And if they're settling for this because they're afraid of optics, then shame on them.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

We saw Hurts' ceiling. We think. But it was a ceiling in a college scheme that may already be antiquated in the NFL. 

We need to start to establish what his ceiling looks like in an NFL style offense.  You assume Siri is not capable of running one but ignore that Siri had a career before he had to adapt everything to Hurts' limitations. Siri is obviously capable. Now we have to hope the plan is to allow him to switch back to doing that stuff. And then we have to hope Hurts actually has a high ceiling playing that style of football.

Hurts’s ceiling is a perfect 158 passer rating to throws 10-20 yards - middle of the field yet this offensive system only called 5.2% of passing plays there.  Absurd. 

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I disagree, I think Hurts was an issue, but I put it more on the coaches. 5% of his throws this season were to the middle of the field, that's insane. And if you look at the route tree breakdowns every week, it isn't Hurts just ignoring the middle of the field, they run very few routes that target that area of the field. And naturally the one time they did vs the Bucs was a massive play to Smith and they never go back to it again.

I think Hurts' ceiling as a QB is much higher than Sirianni's ceiling as a coach.

I 110% agree with this statement.

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm confused on why Howie is getting credit for comp picks of players leaving to somewhere else

Because by letting them walk, he completely gutted the back 7... and look at how well it turned out. 

 

 

Oh, nvm.   Seems that the moves were less effective than just playing with 10 players on defense.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Is that good enough for you? It isn't for me. It shouldn't be for Lurie and Howie. We've set the bar so low to where when it started and Sirianni was hired it was "He's a young bright offensive mind with a lot of leadership potential." And now it's "He can just be a CEO coach with limited influence on the offense and none on defense." Any front office and fan should want more from their head coach than that.

We deserve better as a coach than that. And if they're settling for this because they're afraid of optics, then shame on them.

I’m not sure they have much of a choice if they intend to eventually bring in a top level head coach.   Those guys don’t grow on trees and certainly would likely not come here knowing the previous coach got canned after making the playoffs every year + a Super Bowl appearance.
 

It would be tough for any coach to top that - so if you’re a head coach, would you want to go into a new opportunity knowing you’ll likely get fired unless you win a Super Bowl within a year or two? 

8 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

What about Pep Hamilton for OC?  

Or Pete Carmichael?  That was a long run of productive football in New Orleans.  

Bring in Pete Carmichael and you'll see the RBs activated in the passing game, that's for sure.  Here were the passing targets from the backfield and overall offensive rank, by year:

2009 -- 1st, 137 targets to RB/FB

2010 -- 11th, 136

2011 -- 2nd, 198

2012 -- 3rd, 194

2013 -- 10th, 203

2014 -- 9th, 166

2015 -- 8th, 156

2016 -- 2nd, 163

2017 -- 4th, 179 (Kamara arrives)

2018 -- 3rd, 144

2019 -- 3rd, 154

2020 -- 5th, 137

2021 -- 19th, 108 (post Brees)

2022 -- 22nd, 107 (post Payton)

2023 -- 9th, 128