5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

We saw Hurts' ceiling. We think. But it was a ceiling in a college scheme that may already be antiquated in the NFL. 

We need to start to establish what his ceiling looks like in an NFL style offense.  You assume Siri is not capable of running one but ignore that Siri had a career before he had to adapt everything to Hurts' limitations. Siri is obviously capable. Now we have to hope the plan is to allow him to switch back to doing that stuff. And then we have to hope Hurts actually has a high ceiling playing that style of football.

We also don't know what influence Sirianni had in his career before here. He was a WRs coach with the Chargers, OC with Colts. We don't know how much influence he had on the offense. It could've been a lot or a little it's impossible to say. The Eagles were the only team to interview him, so it's not like the league was banging down the door to get a piece of this guy's football brain. I honestly have no idea what Sirianni is capable of, I can only judge him on what they're running and how it looks when they run it.

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

thats some dumb guy speculating, obviously biased.

In reality its an attractive job. There is talent, and supposedly an elite QB in place. Winning franchise with an owner who spends tons money. Elite GM. Doing well here always leads to promotions here or elsewhere. 

Theres no reason why an OC wouldnt want to come here.

Is it?   Is it an attractive job to come to work offensively for a coach in a potential lame duck year?   IMO, it would have been more attractive without Sirianni.  You come in with a new HC, new philosophy (assuming Lowie don't dictate protocols) and come in with a HC you trust.  

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Hurts’s ceiling is a perfect 158 passer rating to throws 10-20 yards - middle of the field yet this offensive system only called 5.2% of passing plays there.  Absurd. 

Sack the QB mentioned route tree breakdowns. I only recall seeing a few, and it was always either AJ Brown or Smith. I dont recall ever seeing Quez, Julio, Zaccheus, Goedert or other TEs, or the RBs.

Just because he only threw 5% of the passes there doesnt mean thats what the call was. A lot of that was him changing a play to run for himself, or to throw down the field and be a hero and pad AJ's stats.

36 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Why is kewl-aid filtered? 

There was a while where it seemed like all threads had d heads accusing each other of drinking this unsaid beverage....I think it was right after 2004 and into the end of Reid's tenure. Hence why it became I need to find a new cliche 

24 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Too bad it's not a deep draft though 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m not sure they have much of a choice if they intend to eventually bring in a top level head coach.   Those guys don’t grow on trees and certainly would likely not come here knowing the previous coach got canned after making the playoffs every year + a Super Bowl appearance.
 

It would be tough for any coach to top that - so if you’re a head coach, would you want to go into a new opportunity knowing you’ll likely get fired unless you win a Super Bowl within a year or two? 

If I was a coach, I wouldn't look at it as Sirianni being fired because he didn't win a SB. I'd look at it as he got fired because the team quit on him, the QB regressed, and they were woefully unprepared every week and he was awful coaching situationally. If Sirianni got fired those things would be much more the reason than some arbitrary bottom line wins and losses.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

We also don't know what influence Sirianni had in his career before here. He was a WRs coach with the Chargers, OC with Colts. We don't know how much influence he had on the offense. It could've been a lot or a little it's impossible to say. The Eagles were the only team to interview him, so it's not like the league was banging down the door to get a piece of this guy's football brain. I honestly have no idea what Sirianni is capable of, I can only judge him on what they're running and how it looks when they run it.

Well, Siri adapted an offense to his QBs limitations (something you want a coach to do) that created an incredible super bowl run with amazing play by Hurts.

Then, Hurts regressed with a terrible OC. 

We will see whats next. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Sack the QB mentioned route tree breakdowns. I only recall seeing a few, and it was always either AJ Brown or Smith. I dont recall ever seeing Quez, Julio, Zaccheus, Goedert or other TEs, or the RBs.

Just because he only threw 5% of the passes there doesnt mean thats what the call was. A lot of that was him changing a play to run for himself, or to throw down the field and be a hero and pad AJ's stats.

Some may have been that but the majority of the actual play design, route trees, etc had most of his top reads going outside.  And most of the blitz pickup plays had no one up the middle - which is the best/easiest throw a QB can make when blitzed. 
 

How many times were people screaming for them to run slants this season?  Think about it. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is it?   Is it an attractive job to come to work offensively for a coach in a potential lame duck year?   IMO, it would have been more attractive without Sirianni.  You come in with a new HC, new philosophy (assuming Lowie don't dictate protocols) and come in with a HC you trust.  

Yes it is. Because many of you are exaggerating and making up stories about Siri being useless, lame duck, figurehead, incapable, etc.

Most coaches being interviewed will likely be basing their decisions on reality rather than what whiny emotional eagles fans are crying about. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Some may have been that but the majority of the actual play design, route trees, etc had most of his top reads going outside.  And most of the blitz pickup plays had no one up the middle - which is the best/easiest throw a QB can make when blitzed. 
 

How many times were people screaming for them to run slants this season?  Think about it. 

I have thought about it. Thats why I dont agree with the oversimplified misguided analysis.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Well, Siri adapted an offense to his QBs limitations (something you want a coach to do) that created an incredible super bowl run with amazing play by Hurts.

Then, Hurts regressed with a terrible OC. 

We will see whats next. 

I think the regression is more the NFL adapting to the Eagles offense and the Eagles not adapting back. And generally Hurts taking a step back himself on some stuff.

51 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But Sirianni has his offensive philosophies that he believes in. If Lowie don't believe in his philosophies anymore and they want an OC with a new philosophy to come in and change the offense, why would you keep Sirianni?

Lowie would keep Sirianni because Sirianni is doing his best to implement Lowie's offensive philosophy. If Lowie's offensive philosophy fails, it's because Sirianni didn't do it right. Billionaires are seldom wrong, you know.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I think the regression is more the NFL adapting to the Eagles offense and the Eagles not adapting back. And generally Hurts taking a step back himself on some stuff.

NFL adapting and eagles not adapting back- again- catch 22. Tough to adapt back when you are backed in to a corner running an offense adapted to the limitations of your QB.

How do you adapt? Begin running real NFL concepts. The risk? QB cant handle that and you continue to fail anyway.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yes it is. Because many of you are exaggerating and making up stories about Siri being useless, lame duck, figurehead, incapable, etc.

Most coaches being interviewed will likely be basing their decisions on reality rather than what whiny emotional eagles fans are crying about. 

Sure.   An organization dismissing both offensive and defensive coordinators in the same year, while retaining the HC is a normal situation.  Happens all the time.

 

You cry about the QB.  I'll cry about the HC.  And then everyone will be happy.

Man we turned on the QB quick for having 40 tds.  He had a down year but he far from trash. I have more confidence he will bounce back than I do Nick.

6 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Man we turned on the QB quick for having 40 tds.  He had a down year but he far from trash. I have more confidence he will bounce back than I do Nick.

Other players on the team could have scored some of those 40 TDs. Not that impressed he followed Kelce and Dickerson in to the end zone from the 1 yard line so often. Im more concerned about his QB skills and how the coaches will figure out how to make him function in an NFL style offense.

Limitations is such a troll take

  

1 hour ago, twistr said:

@Moderator12 @Moderator5 Since there's actually a player named the sugary beverage that is kool, can we get that word removed from the filter?

Done

KOOL AID

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Other players on the team could have scored some of those 40 TDs. Not that impressed he followed Kelce and Dickerson in to the end zone from the 1 yard line so often. Im more concerned about his QB skills and how the coaches will figure out how to make him function in an NFL style offense.

How he will function when the pass play call on 3rd down isn't just 4 go routes? He will function better

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Other players on the team could have scored some of those 40 TDs. Not that impressed he followed Kelce and Dickerson in to the end zone from the 1 yard line so often. Im more concerned about his QB skills and how the coaches will figure out how to make him function in an NFL style offense.

We literally set the franchise record in pts last season.  

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

Why is kewl-aid filtered? 

Carry over from the old board from a long time ago.  Was the insult du jour to overly homertastic fans for a minute, so it got axed.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

How he will function when the pass play call on 3rd down isn't just 4 go routes? He will function better

what flavor kool aid are you drinking? Kool aid man

21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think the regression is more the NFL adapting to the Eagles offense and the Eagles not adapting back. And generally Hurts taking a step back himself on some stuff.

Yep, that's exactly where I'm at too. It's always a game of cat and mouse. The innovative offensive minds will usually remain a step ahead.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

KOOL AID

BANNED!