Trotter Jr. will be a huge focus in the draft.

Devin White, Patrick Queen, and Jordyn Brooks will be targets this offseason.

Fangio runs a 3-4. It forces Howie to prioritize linebacker.

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I thought it was our best game of the year.  I was hopeful for Desai after that game.  

Which is exactly why we need to be mindful of sample size. Boston Scott would look like a pro-bowler if we only judged him by how he plays against the Giants (prior to this year.)

18 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I get that he will be an improvement to Desai, but that doesn’t say much because it could not get worse anyhow. I would have like a DC with a more aggressive style. Just a personal preference on my part, as I don’t think it’s a good strategy to just wait for offense to gift you mistakes etc. and if they don’t, then they just put together long scoring drives like we had to witness all year. 

I think the talent was worse than the coaching, but maybe splitting hairs.  They had 1 starting caliber player in the back 7.  The rest were backup and practice squad players.  Brutal.

I'm sure the coaches wanted to be more aggressive,  but how with the group they had to work with? 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Which is exactly why we need to be mindful of sample size. Boston Scott would look like a pro-bowler if we only judged him by how he plays against the Giants (prior to this year.)

The sample was diluted by meager NFL talent on defense.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

I think the talent was worse than the coaching, but maybe splitting hairs.  They had 1 starting caliber player in the back 7.  The rest were backup and practice squad players.  Brutal.

I'm sure the coaches wanted to he more aggressive,  but how with the group they had to work with? 

Agreed. The talent on the D was awful and there is only so much coaching can do, although the coaching was not good on either side of the ball.

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

Have you seen many press conferences? They ask the most antagonizing questions. They aren't afraid to ask anything. They criticize the coach and a lot of times aren't professional in their questions. Some of them act like the average fan who got a press pass. They word it somewhat professionally but will be very critical. I wouldn't worry about the Philly beat writers needing to "grow a set."

I have, and they didn't really go there.  It's one thing to ask questions for clickbait tweets or articles and another probing, even subtly about philosophy that impacted performance.  Howie did a good job of talking around the LB issue without really offering much, but nothing on Safety.  Which is the below.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

@mattwill

PC doesn't start until 2:57

-Howie says "we like the players we have in the LB room. We have Shaun Bradley and Nakobe Dean coming back from injuries. BVS got valuable playing time as an UDFA and a player to watch is Brandon Smith who's been in the building for half a year now."

-Nick  says we have to do a better job and it starts with me.

But having watched the PC on 1.5 or 1.75 speed, Howie sounds like one of the chipmunk brothers.

Both Siri and Roseman's body language was locked down eyes down, hands not moving.  Looked like 2 naughty school boys being told to apologise for egging the principals car and putting gravel in the fuel tank.

3 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Trotter Jr. will be a huge focus in the draft.

Devin White, Patrick Queen, and Jordyn Brooks will be targets this offseason.

Fangio runs a 3-4. It forces Howie to prioritize linebacker.

Haven't we ran a 3-4 before and not prioritize linebacker?

Also how will that work with our new young DTs?

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Haven't we ran a 3-4 before and not prioritize linebacker?

Also how will that work with our new young DTs?

If we could match this front 7 I'd love a 3-4:

Harrison, Johnson, Hairston,  Bunting, Bergey, LeMaster, Robinson. 

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The sample was diluted by meager NFL talent on defense.

Preaching to the choir there, talent was inadequate too, but we still underachieved in a massive way, which indicates a major problem with the dudes wearing the headsets.

9 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Trotter Jr. will be a huge focus in the draft.

Devin White, Patrick Queen, and Jordyn Brooks will be targets this offseason.

Fangio runs a 3-4. It forces Howie to prioritize linebacker.

For which team?

39 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Certainly can't pencil him in as a starting LB next season. The problem is the LB free agent class is awful. It's basically Patrick Queen, who's like the weak link of the Ravens LBs and hasn't been bad but hasn't lived up to the 1st round pick, or old guys like Lavonte David or Bobby Wagner. Good draft class though, they might finally have to invest a high pick in one.

Much better free agent class for safeties.

I like Jordyn Brooks as well. I think Fangio coming in with a base 3-4 at least makes us prioritize LBers in the draft and FA this year.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Haven't we ran a 3-4 before and not prioritize linebacker?

Also how will that work with our new young DTs?

Davis at NT, Carter becomes an end in a 3-4, Ojomo and Milton as well if he stays. Marlon stays as backup NT, or they get someone new. Should be interesting and different roster construction at least.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Preaching to the choir there, talent was inadequate too, but we still underachieved in a massive way, which indicates a major problem with the dudes wearing the headsets.

Yeah, it was painful to watch.

10 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

It forces Howie to prioritize linebacker.

32 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Fangio. It's probably a fine hire, and definitely an improvement from Desai/Pencil, but...just so disappointing at the same time.

Yeah seems like a recipe for mediocrity instead of real change. But competence would seem to be a step up…

at least he has knowledge and experience

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Haven't we ran a 3-4 before and not prioritize linebacker?

Also how will that work with our new young DTs?

Billy Davis. We traded McCoy for a linebacker. We also had Ryans, Barwin, Goode at the time. So it was a priority. 
 

Carter, Davis, Cox is the line. Use the defensive ends to rush in rotation from the OLB positions. Graham has done this before. They used Trent Cole this was as well.

Gotta say, the most annoying/worst thing I keep hearing is "well, at least he's not a threat to get poached for a HC job!"

Is that where we are really at? Happy to get a lower coach instead of someone whose best at the job?

2 hours ago, rrfierce said:

josh dobbs

there are a lot of cheap running QBs who can play not as well as Hurts and cost much less than Hurts.

But the Eagles fans (worst in the NFL) would relentlessly attack that cheap running QB.  He'd be (or they'd be) worse than Jalen. 

Eagles fans relentlessly attack the Eagles coaches for that supposedly terrible, terrible offense, which ended up 7th in points and 8th in yards.  The OC,  who did a great job as QB coach for Jalen,  was fired for that top 10 performance.

More tips - when such a high percentage of your offense is throwing the ball to one guy - you're screwed in the playoffs when that one guy is hurt and out.  

When garbage fans are whining and complaining, that's a distraction that teams need to fight away.  When you devote so much of the offense to AJ Brown, and he gets hurt,  you're screwed.   If the Eagles had healthy Brown,  maybe they'd still be playing. 

How are the teams with the WRs with the most targets doing right now?

**********************

Top targets for each of the 4 teams left

5    Amon-Ra St. Brown+    DET    24    WR    16    16    164
25    Travis Kelce*    KAN    34    TE    15    15    121
31    Zay Flowers    BAL    23    WR    16    16    108
36    Brandon Aiyuk    SFO    25    WR    16    16    105

Only the Lions have a WR who got a ton of targets.

Most of the teams who had a WR who got a ton of targets didn't even make the playoffs.

6 of the top 8 got into the playoffs.   2 of the top 8 didn't make the playoffs.
4 of 6 lost their first game,  wild card game.   Cowboys, Dolphins, Rams and Eagles all lost their wild card game.   Bills lost their Divisional game.   Lions are all that's left.

The next 8 - all missed the playoffs entirely.  

Fullbacks for each of the 4 teams left

Kyle Juszczyk      1st team ALL PRO - 9ers

Patrick Ricard - 2nd team ALL PRO - Ravens

Lions had Linebackers carrying the ball,  catching passes,   even throwing a pass
doing the role of Fullback.   Sized as big backs.   3 different Ben VanSumerens.
Malcolm Rodriguez, Jason Cabinda, Jalen Reeves-Maybin  None did offense in college.  All were either QB or RB in high school.

Fullbacks,  cheap Fullbacks, LBs, backup LBs,  have a higher correlation to winning than expensive WRs who get a ton of targets.

 

17 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Trotter Jr. will be a huge focus in the draft.

Devin White, Patrick Queen, and Jordyn Brooks will be targets this offseason.

Fangio runs a 3-4. It forces Howie to prioritize linebacker.

OK, let's look at some things here. 

-Jordan Davis at NT is more of a natural fit for him. I don't like Jalen Carter being a 3-4 DE though. He'll still be good there but I think his best position is an attacking DT in a 4-3. However, Carter and Milton Williams are nearly prototypical 3-4 DE. Ojomo is also a tweener DT/DE who could play his best football in a 3-4 as a DE. They've also held on to Noah Elliss, who could be a very solid backup NT.

DL1: Carter   Davis    Williams.  

DL2:  Ojomo   Elliss     Rookie/FA/Cox?

-This probably spells the end for BG, Fletcher Cox and maybe even puts Josh Sweat on the trade block. I can't see them wasting a spot on BG for a farewell tour as an OLB, a position he hasn't played for almost 10 years. Cox COULD be a 3-4 DE, but does he want to do that as his last year? Maybe not playing inside and as many snaps would help save his body for a year. Josh Sweat isn't a 3-4 DE and he's definitely not an OLB. Trade him to a 4-3 team. 

-Could be great news for Nolan Smith as he's built more for a 3-4.

-Nakobe Dean MIGHT be OK as an ILB in a 3-4. Not being THE guy in the middle could help free him up. Depends who you pair him with.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Gotta say, the most annoying/worst thing I keep hearing is "well, at least he's not a threat to get poached for a HC job!"

Is that where we are really at? Happy to get a lower coach instead of someone whose best at the job?

We're going to have the revolving door at OC 

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Doubt anything about this season changes with Fangio at the helm of the defense.  They still had no one on the back end.

Oh don’t disagree. But their plan if Gannon left was fangio. Gannon just didn’t tell them about the cardinals job so they didn’t think he was leaving so he took the Miami job 

8 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

there are a lot of cheap running QBs who can play not as well as Hurts and cost much less than Hurts.

But the Eagles fans (worst in the NFL) would relentlessly attack that cheap running QB.  He'd be (or they'd be) worse than Jalen. 

Eagles fans relentlessly attack the Eagles coaches for that supposedly terrible, terrible offense, which ended up 7th in points and 8th in yards.  The OC,  who did a great job as QB coach for Jalen,  was fired for that top 10 performance.

More tips - when such a high percentage of your offense is throwing the ball to one guy - you're screwed in the playoffs when that one guy is hurt and out.  

When garbage fans are whining and complaining, that's a distraction that teams need to fight away.  When you devote so much of the offense to AJ Brown, and he gets hurt,  you're screwed.   If the Eagles had healthy Brown,  maybe they'd still be playing. 

How are the teams with the WRs with the most targets doing right now?

**********************

Top targets for each of the 4 teams left

5    Amon-Ra St. Brown+    DET    24    WR    16    16    164
25    Travis Kelce*    KAN    34    TE    15    15    121
31    Zay Flowers    BAL    23    WR    16    16    108
36    Brandon Aiyuk    SFO    25    WR    16    16    105

Only the Lions have a WR who got a ton of targets.

Most of the teams who had a WR who got a ton of targets didn't even make the playoffs.

6 of the top 8 got into the playoffs.   2 of the top 8 didn't make the playoffs.
4 of 6 lost their first game,  wild card game.   Cowboys, Dolphins, Rams and Eagles all lost their wild card game.   Bills lost their Divisional game.   Lions are all that's left.

The next 8 - all missed the playoffs entirely.  

Fullbacks for each of the 4 teams left

Kyle Juszczyk      1st team ALL PRO - 9ers

Patrick Ricard - 2nd team ALL PRO - Ravens

Lions had Linebackers carrying the ball,  catching passes,   even throwing a pass
doing the role of Fullback.   Sized as big backs.   3 different Ben VanSumerens.
Malcolm Rodriguez, Jason Cabinda, Jalen Reeves-Maybin  None did offense in college.  All were either QB or RB in high school.

Fullbacks,  cheap Fullbacks, LBs, backup LBs,  have a higher correlation to winning than expensive WRs who get a ton of targets.

 

Reported.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OK, let's look at some things here. 

-Jordan Davis at NT is more of a natural fit for him. I don't like Jalen Carter being a 3-4 DE though. He'll still be good there but I think his best position is an attacking DT in a 4-3. However, Carter and Milton Williams are nearly prototypical 3-4 DE. Ojomo is also a tweener DT/DE who could play his best football in a 3-4 as a DE. They've also held on to Noah Elliss, who could be a very solid backup NT.

DL1: Carter   Davis    Williams.  

DL2:  Ojomo   Elliss     Rookie/FA/Cox?

-This probably spells the end for BG, Fletcher Cox and maybe even puts Josh Sweat on the trade block. I can't see them wasting a spot on BG for a farewell tour as an OLB, a position he hasn't played for almost 10 years. Cox COULD be a 3-4 DE, but does he want to do that as his last year? Maybe not playing inside and as many snaps would help save his body for a year. Josh Sweat isn't a 3-4 DE and he's definitely not an OLB. Trade him to a 4-3 team. 

-Could be great news for Noah Smith as he's built more for a 3-4.

-Nakobe Dean MIGHT be OK as an ILB in a 3-4. Not being THE guy in the middle could help free him up. Depends who you pair him with.

I agree with all of this, except Carter could feast at DE in a 3-4. A 3-4 could be really intriguing with the guys they already have.

4 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Billy Davis. We traded McCoy for a linebacker. We also had Ryans, Barwin, Goode at the time. So it was a priority. 
 

Carter, Davis, Cox is the line. Use the defensive ends to rush in rotation from the OLB positions. Graham has done this before. They used Trent Cole this was as well.

I don't like automatically using the DE as rush OLB. You want to have guys who can rush and cover if needed. The thought of BG and Sweat being in a position where they might have to drop in to coverage is a nightmare. BG can hang them up and they can trade Sweat to a 4-3 team.

It's perfect for Nolan Smith though

17 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Trotter Jr. will be a huge focus in the draft.

Devin White, Patrick Queen, and Jordyn Brooks will be targets this offseason.

Fangio runs a 3-4. It forces Howie to prioritize linebacker.

Doesn’t matter Who the linebackers are when the opponents kill your soft zone lol. Fangio’s scheme is Desai’s scheme, which is dead

I think Nolan Smith is going to be a player here too fast to go to waste, Dean on the other hand, I think it’s a wrap.

Just now, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I think Nolan Smith is going to be a player here too fast to go to waste, Dean on the other hand, I think it’s a wrap.

I think they both have great outlooks