8 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Nope.  Look at the PFFs.  Slay was the only CB with an above average PFF,  and it wasn't really all that great,  and do we think that he's going to get better?   Someone like Kelee Ringo might become good,  but we're talking about 3 CB positions and only 1 CB is not below average.   They need talent there.  Additionally,  CBs are more expensive,  so you could buy a more expensive CB with the same draft pick you could use to get a cheaper LB.  

Others might have a different opinion about which CB,  haven't seen their combines,  but it's clear that CB is the most pressing need on defense.  10 CBs with numbers,  and 9 were below average.   Get a great CB in the draft with the first round pick,  unless there are none there.   I'm good with Dean and VanSumeren as the ILBs next year.  Add one. Day 3 versatile, raw, good measurables.  But the Eagles could add 3-4  CB-S. 

Watch. The. Games.

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m so tired of hearing about the Fangio system - done with it, tbh.  Our next defense needs to be from another tree/system.  Please. 

Funny thing is the Fangio system is straight garbage across the league for every team that runs it. Even with Fangio it’s not that amazing. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Watch. The. Games.

This is the "non-playing season” now.  I think @Connecticut Eagle needs to change the name of the thread.

12 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Nope.  Look at the PFFs.  Slay was the only CB with an above average PFF,  and it wasn't really all that great,  and do we think that he's going to get better?   Someone like Kelee Ringo might become good,  but we're talking about 3 CB positions and only 1 CB is not below average.   They need talent there.  Additionally,  CBs are more expensive,  so you could buy a more expensive CB with the same draft pick you could use to get a cheaper LB.  

Others might have a different opinion about which CB,  haven't seen their combines,  but it's clear that CB is the most pressing need on defense.  10 CBs with numbers,  and 9 were below average.   Get a great CB in the draft with the first round pick,  unless there are none there.   I'm good with Dean and VanSumeren as the ILBs next year.  Add one. Day 3 versatile, raw, good measurables.  But the Eagles could add 3-4  CB-S. 

We need both. I want an LB with a high pick. I am pissing in the wind because they won't do it.  

Eagles need to get to work here and start lining up interviews. Let's get the train moving here. Can't delay this til Friday.

I am surprised that Patricia still hasn’t been fired.  His elevation reeks of Howie interference.  I actually think Desai was dealt a bad hand.  Not sure his assistants were his choices.  If so, that’s a black eye for him.  He started to get creative and the bottom fell out.  He had nothing at LB and S and it got even worse.  Bradberry was exposed without S help.  Howie was hamstrung during free agency waiting on June 30 money and used what he had poorly trying to bandaid what appeared to be the better players from last year’s D with failures with high draft pedigrees.  He also sidestepped from the rebuild (and traded away a bunch of draft capital - a huge failure in my view.)  But being so close to an overachieving run in 2022 did that to the team and most fans.

In the review with Nick, he has some questions to answer.  Johnson isn’t good at play calling.  Who does he get to do that?  How does he update his offense and what specifically does he plan for disguises.  His limited use of motion is simply to feel out the D   

Speaking of D.  The need to abandon Rocker and Washburn approach and stunt and mix things up.  Man they need new blood at coaches and players.  And man, they need to toughen the practices.  I think the fluff was an overreaction to the decimation of the line to injuries and I think that is more Howie and Lurie than Nick but that has to stop.  Nick’s job is on the line.  He is going to have to fire some people and needs a defensive pass coordinator bad.

So the rebuilding needs to restart.  But with whom?

Kelce retires, Cox leaves and so should BG.  That’s going to be detrimental to the cap but that’s okay.  Rip off the bandaid.  Only team free agents I would consider are Lovato and Mann although Lovato is old so that would have to be real team friendly.  Maybe Swift but only on a team friendly deal. @austinfan is right. This isn’t a one year project. 

Esgles gotta make their move soon.  Other teams aren't waiting around.

 

 

 

 

Exit interviews tomorrow, hopefully we’ll hear of some coaching changes soon after.  
 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Everyone wants Siri fired so right now Hurts is exonerated of most of his faults. Theres been numerous examples of this happening which have been pointed out on twitter. Idiots mistakenly blame Siri for "his offense" and poor play design. But its the QBs job to communicate. One time, maybe a WR saw or heard the wrong signal. Numerous times, its a pattern and it means the QB isnt communicating the calls effectively. His job. Not on the coach. Not on the other players. The QB has to communicate the calls. 

Haters gonna hate.

5 hours ago, manz2821 said:

Remind me never to get excited about Howie signing a "has been" in a position of need mid season and us crowning him for it.  Nothing but failures.  This year was Byard and Leonard.  Awful signings in retrospect.

Meh leonard was a flyer on a guy that was cut, they actually made a trade for byard...☹️

I could never see our coach being Belichick or Harbaugh. No way. Duce Staley has a better shot 

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I am surprised that Patricia still hasn’t been fired.  His elevation reeks of Howie interference.  I actually think Desai was dealt a bad hand.  Not sure his assistants were his choices.  If so, that’s a black eye for him.  He started to get creative and the bottom fell out.  He had nothing at LB and S and it got even worse.  Bradberry was exposed without S help.  Howie was hamstrung during free agency waiting on June 30 money and used what he had poorly trying to bandaid what appeared to be the better players from last year’s D with failures with high draft pedigrees.  He also sidestepped from the rebuild (and traded away a bunch of draft capital - a huge failure in my view.)  But being so close to an overachieving run in 2022 did that to the team and most fans.

In the review with Nick, he has some questions to answer.  Johnson isn’t good at play calling.  Who does he get to do that?  How does he update his offense and what specifically does he plan for disguises.  His limited use of motion is simply to feel out the D   

Speaking of D.  The need to abandon Rocker and Washburn approach and stunt and mix things up.  Man they need new blood at coaches and players.  And man, they need to toughen the practices.  I think the fluff was an overreaction to the decimation of the line to injuries and I think that is more Howie and Lurie than Nick but that has to stop.  Nick’s job is on the line.  He is going to have to fire some people and needs a defensive pass coordinator bad.

So the rebuilding needs to restart.  But with whom?

Kelce retires, Cox leaves and so should BG.  That’s going to be detrimental to the cap but that’s okay.  Rip off the bandaid.  Only team free agents I would consider are Lovato and Mann although Lovato is old so that would have to be real team friendly.  Maybe Swift but only on a team friendly deal. @austinfan is right. This isn’t a one year project. 

It seems obvious to me that Nick’s entire system is broken.  It’s not just play calling, which was horrendous.  They look to me like a team that doesn’t iron through issues in practice and do not identify and exploit an opposing team’s weaknesses, and perhaps most importantly they lack cohesion and heart.  They either need a strong head coach capable of handling the X’s and O’s who will bring in their own staff, or you need to bring in two really strong and seasoned coordinators and ancillary staff, but the rub there is they’ll be soon looking for their next opportunity and then we’re left again with just Nick.  Break it all apart.  We need to completely gut this staff.

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Funny thing is the Fangio system is straight garbage across the league for every team that runs it. Even with Fangio it’s not that amazing. 

The ravens defense is getting a lot of shine this season, could be a product of a ton of talent… in any case, McDonald generally plays C3 and mixes in other zone coverages with below average C1 and blitz usage (compared to the league). They deploy a lot of heavy nickel where the safeties can play in the slot and aren’t reliant on light boxes as a method of bolstering coverage.

The composition of their DL is similar to ours with a mix of body types, the back seven is a revelation compared to what we watch on a weekly basis.

33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Funny thing is the Fangio system is straight garbage across the league for every team that runs it. Even with Fangio it’s not that amazing. 

Yup it worked like one season and OCs figured it out.

Its the wildcat of defenses, useful in certain situations but as a base scheme not effective.

9 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I could never see our coach being Belichick or Harbaugh. No way. Duce Staley has a better shot 

 Before the last 2 months I would have agreed with you.  At this point, however, I could see Harbaugh coming.  It would take final say on personnel decisions which Lurie may be willing to give after Howie left us bare in the back 7.  

7 hours ago, Eagz said:

Surprised it's not rock paper scissors.

Or a trip to the flower show.

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

 Before the last 2 months I would have agreed with you.  At this point, however, I could see Harbaugh coming.  It would take final say on personnel decisions which Lurie may be willing to give after Howie left us bare in the back 7.  

Nick is gonna tell Lurie he has Harbaugh for OC and Belichick for DC 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

We keep losing to the corniest QBs ever 

I do miss the commercials he did with his mom

Putting the cart before the horse here, but let’s say we fire Sirianni…

* Lurie has never hired a retread. 

* His last four coaches were on the offensive side of the ball. 

* We know he values a prolific passing offense above all else. 

So where does that leave us? Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik and Frank Smith?

Johnson’s put together some good offenses that can win both passing and running l, and has gotten more out of Goff than McVay could without talking into the headset at the snap. 

Slowik and Smith both come from the Shanny tree. Their use of motion, which we rarely use, has proven to put defenses in a bind and make life easier for their QBs and playmakers. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What are you talking about. They are in season Champions! 

Not only that, Lebron has NEVER lost an in season tournament. Michael or Kobe never even won one. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Putting the part before the horse here, but let’s say we fire Sirianni…

* Lurie has never hired a retread. 

* His last four coaches were on the offensive side of the ball. 

* We know he values a prolific passing offense above all else. 

So where does that leave us? Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik and Frank Smith?

Johnson’s put together some good offenses that can win both passing and running l, and has gotten more out of Goff than McVay could without talking into the headset at the snap. 

Slowik and Smith both come from the Shanny tree. Their use of motion, which we rarely use, has proven to put defenses in a bind and make life easier for their QBs and playmakers. 

Think a dark horse candidate is Joe Brady. They interviewed him last time and i don’t think he was ready. He has done a really good job since becoming the OC for the bills 

16 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The ravens defense is getting a lot of shine this season, could be a product of a ton of talent… in any case, McDonald generally plays C3 and mixes in other zone coverages with below average C1 and blitz usage (compared to the league). They deploy a lot of heavy nickel where the safeties can play in the slot and aren’t reliant on light boxes as a method of bolstering coverage.

The composition of their DL is similar to ours with a mix of body types, the back seven is a revelation compared to what we watch on a weekly basis.

Jesse Minter is from that tree and already blew that

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Putting the part before the horse here, but let’s say we fire Sirianni…

* Lurie has never hired a retread. 

* His last four coaches were on the offensive side of the ball. 

* We know he values a prolific passing offense above all else. 

So where does that leave us? Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik and Frank Smith?

Johnson’s put together some good offenses that can win both passing and running l, and has gotten more out of Goff than McVay could without talking into the headset at the snap. 

Slowik and Smith both come from the Shanny tree. Their use of motion, which we rarely use, has proven to put defenses in a bind and make life easier for their QBs and playmakers. 

They're going to have to fend off Washington and Carolina for Ben Johnson. Reading the tea leaves it seems both of those teams really really want him. Just my gut feeling says the Eagles won't be able to stave them off even if they're a more attractive destination. Josh Harris is going to throw a ton of money at him, I guarantee it. It's his first hire and he'll want to get the guy he covets most on his first hire. He'll probably make him the NFL's highest paid coach. I think of the young offensive minds Slowik is the most likely.

But I'm telling you don't rule out Vrabel. I know he hasn't hired retreads, but I don't consider him the typical retread. He was a one stop coach that is a previous coach of the year winner and only was fired due to front office politics and his roster went to crap. I actually think this time around Lurie might be a little more likely to go that route considering how his last two hires who were first time head young coaches ended up crashing and burning. And he'd probably hire Arthur Smith to be his OC, who has no chance of being plucked away for a head coaching job so they wouldn't have to worry about that aspect of hiring a defensive head coach.

I'd probably put Vrabel as the favorite tbh. Just a hunch. If they do go young offensive guy though, probably Slowik. I could see Lurie being enamored with the Shanahan offense.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Think a dark horse candidate is Joe Brady. They interviewed him last time and i don’t think he was ready. He has done a really good job since becoming the OC for the bills 

Thought of him as well. He has coached Burrow and Allen so he has experience with big name QBs. Basically he said let's run the ball with Cook and opened up everything, if only if only 

35 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Haters gonna hate.

The monumental collapse is not just Between Hurts and Siri. It is on many different levels coaching, drafting, philosophy, etc.. etc… Hurts and Siri are part of it, but  not the entirety.