3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

But now they are tied up with Slay as he gets older, becomes more injury prone and his skillset starts to diminish. Slay is still their best CB but that's also by default. 

You have to assume the Eagles know the market and also probably have a sense of who might come in as a FA.

Brian Burns, Yetur Gross-Matos, Jerome Baker, Josh Allen, AJ Epenesa, Josh Uche are all guys I have on my list. All are under or just around 26 years old.

I look at Brian Burns and Yetur Gross-Matos. Both are just about to turn 26 and entering their prime after playing OLB in a 3-4 last year for the first time. Burns is going to get paid, and IMO, there's a very good chance the Eagles have him as their #1 target and are prepared to dump serious cash on him. However, Gross-Matos is going to get serious cash too based on his potential. 

I really like Josh Allen and think he could be the consolation prize for whoever doesn't get Burns.

Josh Allen is better than Burns at this point. Allen was top 3 in the NFL in sacks.

My guestimation is Reddick would fetch a 2nd then maybe a conditional pick that is in the 3-5 range. If I was a contender in need of a pass rusher, that’s probably what I would give up. 
 

Also, @Godfather is a Swiftie 

11 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

They’ve been dangling him and had offers they turned down. I’d assume they didn’t want to pay him.

Can players refuse the tag? Or is it just a holdout mess?

Happens every year. It’s just a normal holdout 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think you need to be thinking more like a 3rd or 4th

I think they could likely get a second. But it’s not gonna be a high second round pick from one of those teams at top of the second round. It’s likely going to be a team in the middle of the second round or late second round. I can see a team like the Texans making that type of move. It’s a late second (59th). They have a lot of cap space ($57 mil) and they don’t have to pay CJ Stroud for a couple of years. If you get him and get Anderson that pass rush gets nastier. 

42 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Wonder what Fangio thinks of Reddick.

Its funny the other pressing needs rationale. Because if they trade him now that becomes a pressing need too.

At the same time, if they extend him this is the type of deal all the Howie haters complain about because the first 2 years of his extension might be good, but the last 1 or 2 he will be slowing down and overpaid. 

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

John Clark with the breaking news!

Eagles will only do a trade if it makes sense. Wow! 

I think the point is that they wont just trade him for a 1st or something. Theyll only trade him if the other team absorbs some of the cap hit. In which case, we likely get less than a 1st for him. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If he was younger, I think a 1st would be doable. I just don't think he would bring back that much. 

 

A younger blue chip All Pro pass rusher gets you multiple firsts. He's not that but he should still be able to get the Eagles at least a 1st round pick.  

I think teams like the Rams (19), Ravens (30), Colts (15), Jaguars (17), Lions (29), Bills (29), Cardinals (27 from Texans), Buccaneers (26), Packers (25), Texans (23 from Browns) could potentially value adding a top tier blue elite chip pass rusher to trade their 1st for.  

I think Slay and Bradberry have skewed some of the expectations. I think Reddick would be highly productive for 3 more seasons. I think this season's dip was more of the issues with the defense that affected the whole team more than anything. Everyone fell off, not just him.

21 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

What would Reddick fetch? A high 1st? Low? Not even a 1st?

If they could get a mid-1st then they can replace him with Latu or Verse. Or even Chop Robinson if they want more of a 3-4 rush LB type rather than a true DE.

Im not sure theyll get a 1st though if they want cap considerations in the deal.

Its kind of annoying that the D was so bad last year and we are talking about trading its best player.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its funny the other pressing needs rationale. Because if they trade him now that becomes a pressing need too.

 

Exactly. They aren’t going to go from premiere pass rusher to Nolan smith and depth guy to replace him. The eagles value pass rush far too much to just rely on a smith who showed something on like 1 or 2 games of a 18 game season and didn’t stay healthy in college during a SB window. If we were going to go into a mini-rebuild or a complete rebuild I’d get that. But the eagles pass rush wasn’t good enough last year as is. They aren’t getting better subtracting one of the best in the league and replacing him with smith and depth. I’m guessing if Reddick is dealt then they are likely using some of that cap space to get a younger version of Reddick and keep developing smith. And they’d then boast about having that quality pass rush with that player and smith 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its kind of annoying that the D was so bad last year and we are talking about trading its best player.

Isn’t this just a negotiating tactic?

4 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Isn’t this just a negotiating tactic?

Normally, I’d agree. But if you go look at the free agent market, there is a good amount of young pass rushers available.

19 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think the point is that they wont just trade him for a 1st or something. Theyll only trade him if the other team absorbs some of the cap hit. In which case, we likely get less than a 1st for him. 

That’s not how his contract works. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Normally, I’d agree. But if you go look at the free agent market, there is a good amount of young pass rushers available.

Maybe we will get Barnett back in here.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s not how his contract works. 

that seems to be whats implied.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I don’t think a trade saves much on the cap this year? Only $1.2m. But it would free up the $15m dead cap next year we’d take on next year (absent an extension) which can go towards being allocated to other FAs with a low Yr1 contract value.

I guess this is more about you are either resigning him and committing to him for multiple years, or trade him and let another team do it. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

that seems to be whats implied.

Berman got the same team spin but worded it better than Clark. 
 

"both with the compensation in return, and if their cap objectives cannot be achieved with a new deal.”

Reddicks contract is pretty cut and dry. They already gave him tons of bonuses but did the dummy void years to spread the cap. Other teams can’t absorb any of it because it’s already paid. They are saying the compensation needs to make sense and it needs to make sense in their overall offseason cap strategy. They won’t just unload him for next to nothing. 

 

58 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

And it's also one of the reasons their back 7 was so awful this season. Doing that prevented them from taking an impact player they could've used in the secondary.

Regardless, hopefully they learned their lesson just handing the keys over to Dean, because Nolan Smith didn't look anywhere in the same galaxy as a starting pass rusher on what will be a Super Bowl or bust season. They needed more depth there as it is.

Like a rookie db would have mattered?

the draft is about the long term. Thats why an OT is highly probable this yr

18 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Isn’t this just a negotiating tactic?

Of course. This telling him to go explore what the market would pay him

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Like a rookie db would have mattered?

the draft is about the long term. Thats why an OT is highly probable this yr

I mean, if they'd have drafted Joey Porter Jr he'd have been a long-term pick also, as well as helping immediately. He could be a top level starting CB for a decade. Just draft the best players.

The problem is, I don't think the Eagles do. I think their grading system skews too heavily positionally, which makes them draft lesser players because they're so caught up in positional value.

 

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3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Berman got the same team spin but worded it better than Clark. 
 

"both with the compensation in return, and if their cap objectives cannot be achieved with a new deal.”

Reddicks contract is pretty cut and dry. They already gave him tons of bonuses but did the dummy void years to spread the cap. Other teams can’t absorb any of it because it’s already paid. They are saying the compensation needs to make sense and it needs to make sense in their overall offseason cap strategy. They won’t just unload him for next to nothing. 

 

I dont see how else it can make sense in their cap strategy. Theyll have to sign an expensive vet to replace him. None are as good. Or theyll have to rely on a rookie, which obviously would throw off their draft strategy as well.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Berman got the same team spin but worded it better than Clark. 
 

"both with the compensation in return, and if their cap objectives cannot be achieved with a new deal.”

Reddicks contract is pretty cut and dry. They already gave him tons of bonuses but did the dummy void years to spread the cap. Other teams can’t absorb any of it because it’s already paid. They are saying the compensation needs to make sense and it needs to make sense in their overall offseason cap strategy. They won’t just unload him for next to nothing. 

 

Yep. Had to just literally explain this to somebody on Twitter. Who tried to make it like we’re just gonna clear a bunch of cap space doing it so a day 2 pick is fine value. I was like no we aren’t. We’re gonna get like 1.2 million. Which isn’t enough to replace the production that you’re going to lose next year in a SB window. So is the day 2 pick and 1.2 million in cap space worth what Reddick brings you on the field next year? Probably not. I’m hoping we’d get a second round pick. I’m not sure they get that. I actually think it’s probably more than likely they get a third round because he needs a new contract, and the Eagles are stuck between a rock and a hard place as they don’t wanna give it to him a new deal due to needing help elsewhere, he’s gonna hold out and he’s gone in a year all working against them.