Jonah Elliss by the way is a later round DE/OLB prospect I have mentioned a few times. I REALLY like him as a pass rusher. He didnt test, but measured very well yesterday. 33'' arms and 10 1/2'' hands. 6'2'' 248lb

PFF guys are talking about the way Elliss talked about his pass rush moves, noting a lot of guys are afraid to talk about their pass rush plan because they dont have a lot of moves and counters. Elliss just rattles off all of the different moves he has. Showing confidence, and a deep bag of tricks.

Also, he played at about 235. Says he has not lost any speed now at 248. Im not sure why he didnt test then....

But I really like this guy. He and Jalyx Hunt have been my later round DE/Edge sleepers.

 

Im not real sure how late Elliss will really go now.

Payton Wilson says he believes that teams believe his injuries are all behind him.

He says when he gets drafted he is going to find the most seasoned vet and model everything after him- diet, weight lifting, sleep, schedule, everything. 

Smart strategy for someone who quickly needs to learn how to take care of his body. Usually a process that takes years of trial and error.

9 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I don’t disagree that he’s the most talented or had the best college tape, but it’s the influx of consistently odd comments and behaviors that concerns me. Stuff that we only heard from the Josh Rosens and the Johnny Manziels that people would brush off as "confidence”, when it really sounds like arrogance.

Remember when he wanted part of a team in his rookie contract? Or when he was talking about holding the #1 team ransom if it wasn’t someone he wanted to play for?

No issue with him crying after a USC loss. But he did it after he openly laughed at Max Duggan for he crying after TCU’s loss.

Does anyone remember the time he faked a leg injury to make a better story for his performance?

 Why specifically doesn’t he want an agent? Hes gonna lose more in endorsement opportunities the agent would drudge up for him than what the agent’s cut would be. It’s a waste of your time to do the stuff you agent can handle for you. 

I don't want to sound insensitive but here goes. I don't have an issue with him crying either, hell I think any of us who have played the game, or any sport have shed tears after a hard fought loss. However, he literally crawled in to the fetal position in his moms lap in the stands. There's a difference IMO, between sitting on the bench taking it in, putting a towel over your head or keeping your helmet on and jumping in to the stands in to your moms arms. I'm happy he's close with his mom and has parents that he depends on. 

Then after the game, he says "I just want to go home, curl up with my dogs and watch my shows."

I'm not sure if he's mentally weak, or just part of the what the next generation is raising as men but I wouldn't want him leading my team. I wouldn't be using the 1st overall pick on him.  

45 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I’m probably going to die alone on this hill, but there’s something about this guy that I wouldn’t be comfortable investing the #1 overall pick in

 

I would say you are far from alone on that hill 

PFF guys saying Wilson is a second round lock as a floor. There is a non-0 chance he goes in the 1st round. Other guy said he doesnt think we have a 1st round LB this year, but he may be the one. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats not really the discussion you were having when you asked me about Howie. Stay on topic if you want to stay on topic.

The discussion I was having about Howie was asking you directly, "is the pathetic RB group that you are projecting for next year the fault of Howie or not?"  You reached all the way back to Joe Douglas and 2019 to answer the question about 2024's roster.   5 years is an eternity in the NFL and really doesn't figure into the equation of the 2024 roster.

I'll help you out:  ALL the roster situations are the result of decisions made BY HOWIE - that's the good (Mailata, Dickerson and Smith), the bad (Bradberry and Slay contracts that limited the ability to do much at LB last offseason, when Howie decided to bring one back for too much money, and give more money and guarantees to the other, while he is also declining) and the ugly (the LB and Safety positions last year, and seemingly the RB position for this upcoming season, according to your projection).

Stop insulating Howie from the 'bad' moves and only crediting him with the good ones.   He's made good moves.   He's made bad moves.  You don't ever seem capable of identifying the mistakes without qualifying it with some other nonsense, like pulling back 5 seasons ago to blame Joe Douglas for something.   It's ridiculous.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate. 

My claim is that the Eagles went into preseason with two healthy players at nickel that both ended up lost for all or most of the season by week two. Both players were lost well after the initial free agency period where good FAs are available as well as the 2023 draft. Due to injuries they went from set at the position to a season long patchwork. Even the guy they brought in (Roby) got hurt for a substantial period of time. 

Maddox > McPhearspn > Roby > Goodrich

Yep.  Healthy people.   You sure McPhearson was better than Roby?   I will elaborate and say that the HOPE was that McPhearson was better than Roby, but that the evidence of how good McPhearson actually was is highly debatable.   Equally, I think Maddox is over valued around here.   He's servicable at best, and certainly not a stud nickel.    Equally, they brought back an aging Slay... at extra money and an aging Bradberry at extra money and limited their moves elsewhere.   At this point, Slay and Bradberry were much more names than the players that they had been.  Slay, clearly better than Bradberry, but neither approaching what they were, and neither worth their cost.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The discussion I was having about Howie was asking you directly, "is the pathetic RB group that you are projecting for next year the fault of Howie or not?"  You reached all the way back to Joe Douglas and 2019 to answer the question about 2024's roster.   5 years is an eternity in the NFL and really doesn't figure into the equation of the 2024 roster.

I'll help you out:  ALL the roster situations are the result of decisions made BY HOWIE - that's the good (Mailata, Dickerson and Smith), the bad (Bradberry and Slay contracts that limited the ability to do much at LB last offseason, when Howie decided to bring one back for too much money, and give more money and guarantees to the other, while he is also declining) and the ugly (the LB and Safety positions last year, and seemingly the RB position for this upcoming season, according to your projection).

Stop insulating Howie from the 'bad' moves and only crediting him with the good ones.   He's made good moves.   He's made bad moves.  You don't ever seem capable of identifying the mistakes without qualifying it with some other nonsense, like pulling back 5 seasons ago to blame Joe Douglas for something.   It's ridiculous.

youre silly. I dont know how you figure I "blame" Joe Douglas for making the only GOOD running back selection in the last 15 years.

Also, your question about our GMs proficiency was a tangential question from the topic being discussed. If you didnt want a tangential answer about GMs, then dont ask the question. 

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

from walter football stock reports. First Im hearing about character with Cooper.

Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M 
Some teams had character concerns regarding Edgerrin Cooper, so it was important to show well at the combine. He did so with some impressive testing numbers. He ran a 4.51 40-yard time with a 1.54 10-yard split. He also leapt 34.5 inches in the vertical.

You should always have character concerns if you chose to go to A&M.

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think hes a bust.

I find it interesting that as the draft gets closer, he seems to be separating himself as the clear cut #1. 

Let's keep in mind folks ..... someone took Bryce Young #1 overall just last year.  An objectively horrible pick that CAR traded up for.  It will be a miracle more miraculous than the Miracle on 34th Street if Young becomes a good NFL QB.  Caleb Williams isn't the correct pick at #1 (IMO) but he's got far better tools than Bryce Young had.

I think Jayden Daniels is the best QB prospect in this draft, and I'm very much hoping Washington does not draft him at #2.  That guy has the potential to be a nightmare to play against twice per season.  If the Commanders draft Drake Maye I think he'll be a good NFL QB, but I don't see him being "great"

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was just looking at the history and Miles Sanders is our only good RB pick in the last 15 years. Going back to McCoy in 2009.

After McCoy the picks were

Charles Scott 2010

Dion Lewis 2011

Bryce Brown 2012

Wendell Smallwood 2016

Donnell Pumphrey 2017

Miles Sanders 2019

Kenny Gainwell 2021

 

Absolutely horrible. Save for the 1 possible Joe Doulas pick. I guess he did one good thing here. Its unbelievable how bad this team is at evaluating RBs.

 

 

Gainwell is a perfectly good pick for #150 overall; the issue with him is usage.  He should be a change of pace RB getting 5-6 touches per game and do some ST work.  Ideally a 3rd back in a committee.  

30 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

@bpac55

Solak talked about LBs he would like to see the Eagles sign, and he mentioned Kenneth Murray. He said he objectively started to play better last year. 

Ehhh lukewarm there. I prefer a few others over him in FA.  You still need a LB in the draft by round 2. 

57 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

from walter football stock reports. First Im hearing about character with Cooper.

Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M 
Some teams had character concerns regarding Edgerrin Cooper, so it was important to show well at the combine. He did so with some impressive testing numbers. He ran a 4.51 40-yard time with a 1.54 10-yard split. He also leapt 34.5 inches in the vertical.

Teams already trying to tank his stock so they can get him 

I think I read he wasn't even going to have a Pro Day? Strange behavior from him. 

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think I read he wasn't even going to have a Pro Day? Strange behavior from him. 

 

thats weird, and not smart as I have already heard some teams actually like Nabers better. Shouldnt be trying to make more teams like Nabers better.

Mel Kiper's most recent mock has Latu to the Eagles.

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

@bpac55

Solak talked about LBs he would like to see the Eagles sign, and he mentioned Kenneth Murray. He said he objectively started to play better last year. 

Seems like an ok attempt but not a high probability solution

Combine workouts will continue today.

Eskin said keep an eye out for CJGJ coming back to the Eagles in free agency.

 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Guess we lost that trade.  Good that we're going to free up some good cap space though

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/source-dallas-cowboys-interested-trade-haason-reddick-philadelphia-eagles-deal-hometown-nfc-east-rumor

Cowboys and Jaguars reportedly interested in Reddick. Other unconfirmed rumors say Lions, Texans and Patriots also interested. 

Not sure why the Eagles/CJGJ would work this time around. He was hurt most of the year. Why would Howie be inclined to pay any more money than he already offered to a guy whose now 1 year older and missed most of the season?

He wouldn't pay more money. He'd probably sign for like one year 5 million, which would be substantially less than they offered him a year ago.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not sure why the Eagles/CJGJ would work this time around. He was hurt most of the year. Why would Howie be inclined to pay any more money than he already offered to a guy whose now 1 year older and missed most of the season?

Unless they are going to replace Maddox and CJ play nickel where he was able to stay healthy. I have no interest in CJ as a safety, and I'd be shocked to hear he has interest to return here. He was the one who decided to take less money to play elsewhere.