26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Lol everyone knows he's going to do great if/when he goes into broadcasting 

35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Part on coach and part on player. Player is also partially responsible for not playing if he’s not very good or not showing much. Like i don’t think it was strictly coaching as to why Jalen Reagor and JJAW failed 

But when it's so consistent, you gotta start to ask questions.

Devonta Smith was probably a top 6-7 player in the 2021 draft. As good as he's been, has his production reached THAT level?

Jalen Carter was arguably the best player of the 2023 draft. What did he do in 2023 that wasn't just all natural talent? Did the coaching staff contribute to his early success much at all?

Nolan Smith was always a year away, but did he develop enough to where any of us think he'd play like a first round pick in 2024?

Jordan Davis was a clear top 15 guy in 2022. Nakobe Dean might not have been the clear 1st round pick talent he was lauded as pre-draft, but he always showed starter talent in college. What have either of them done here that is better than what it might be somewhere else? How have they developed? Are they even worse than they would be on most teams?

Even Milton Williams, who is an athletic freak and has flashed since day 1, has never been considered a starter type.

Landon Dickerson is the only guy I can confidently say is further along than he might be somewhere else, and he has a clearly elite position coach.

We gotta question how these guys have been developed.

 

From the Athletic.  (Love the rules referenced).

A moose, a musher and a grisly Iditarod tale

I was barely even sure how to classify this story, which is so unique to its own sport the facts simply must be laid out plainly:  The 2024 Iditarod Sled Dog Race began Saturday, as is tradition, and continued on normally until Monday, when famous musher Dallas Seavey shot and killed a moose after it became "entangled” with his dogs. A very sad thing.   Far from the end of the story: According to an Iditarod rule, if an edible big-game animal is killed during the race under these conditions, the musher is required to gut the animal and report the kill at the next checkpoint. Furthermore, any mushers trailing the incident must help salvage meat, and no teams can pass until the initial team is on its way forward again.   Moose can be gigantic (800 to 1,600 pounds) and angry when provoked. The moose in question seriously injured one of Seavey’s dogs. The ailing pup, named Faloo, was flown to a hospital for treatment, but remains in critical condition as of yesterday.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Fletch was technically DE when we played 3-4 under Chip and if you include guys who played DE / DT mix there's a lot of players with more than 70 sacks who haven't got in.

 

Yeah I realized that and edited it probably as you were quoting me.

”of players who were more DT than DE”, there are 10 with more alltime sacks since the stat started being calculated. Thats less than I would have expected, plus the all-pros, plus the ring, his consistency, plus being a higher profile player at a position that doesn’t have a lot… I would bet he’s in eventually

24 minutes ago, metal said:

He's a free agent and can play where he wants but this still feels a little gross.

Clearly he is ring chasing at this point.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Jesus how soft were the Pac 12 corners those two JJAW years? Were they playing co-ed football?

He was never open, he would just jump ball. This dude was a 7th round pick all day and we took him over DK Metcalf lmao. 

24 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

But when it's so consistent, you gotta start to ask questions.

Devonta Smith was probably a top 6-7 player in the 2021 draft. As good as he's been, has his production reached THAT level?

Jalen Carter was arguably the best player of the 2023 draft. What did he do in 2023 that wasn't just all natural talent? Did the coaching staff contribute to his early success much at all?

Nolan Smith was always a year away, but did he develop enough to where any of us think he'd play like a first round pick in 2024?

Jordan Davis was a clear top 15 guy in 2022. Nakobe Dean might not have been the clear 1st round pick talent he was lauded as pre-draft, but he always showed starter talent in college. What have either of them done here that is better than what it might be somewhere else? How have they developed? Are they even worse than they would be on most teams?

Even Milton Williams, who is an athletic freak and has flashed since day 1, has never been considered a starter type.

Landon Dickerson is the only guy I can confidently say is further along than he might be somewhere else, and he has a clearly elite position coach.

We gotta question how these guys have been developed.

Couple things:

Jordan Davis was playing as a rookie. He got hurt and they went out and signed Joseph and Suh cause they felt his loss. And those two guys were playing at a high level that there just wasn’t the snaps afforded to Davis that year. This year Davis again looked good early. Got banged up then never really looked the same. 

Devonta smith’s production is always going to be capped because they also have aj brown. Aj brown had put up the two best seasons of his career here. While smith is a top 6-7 in that draft his statistics are going to be somewhat hindered by aj brown being here. I’d add on in 2022 he had nearly 1200 yards receiving. Probably has better 2023 stats if the entire offense didn’t crash and burn after week 12. Going to be really hard for smith to get the type of production guys like st brown or lamb did in 2023 when we have 2 no. 1 WRs. Not many teams have 2 capable no. 1 receivers

Nolan smith didn’t show much except for a playoff game. We knew when we drafted him it was a long game not short term. I do think he should’ve played more than he did

Milton williams was also drafted in the 3rd round. So I’m not shocked his first two years he wasn’t a starter. Frankly i viewed him as potentially reaching that year 3 or 4 but his first two years being a solid backup. He also has been blocked by guys ahead of him at DT and DE to be the starter. In 2022 we had insane depth and last year he was in the rotation and imo i don’t think he was as good as he was to finish 2022

dean was drafted to be a future starter not an immediate starter. Especially with the questions with his health going into and out of the draft. He was blocked by Edwards and white as a rookie. Then last year he got hurt twice and miss a huge portion of the season. Not sure i blame the coaches for Dean missing like 71% of his second year with an injury. Add on it was always going to take some time when he basically didn’t play as a rookie and is still learning in his second year

— this also goes to the eagles continue to draft down the road rather than implementing guys for needs right now. Really Carter was the only one in 2023 draft who was drafted to start or play significantly from the get go. Steen, brown and smith were all drafted to be down the road starters. They signed Evans, edmunds and had Wallace to slowly bring brown along. Brown began playing more and looking slightly better then he also got significantly hurt (was banged up early too). Can’t blame coaches for him being hurt off and on as a rookie either

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

All true, but none of that matters in regards to the allegations of indecent exposure at a local bar in Lehigh.

I mean who hasn't left the men's room of a bar forgetting to zip it up? 

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Jesus how soft were the Pac 12 corners those two JJAW years? Were they playing co-ed football?

Hated that pick when we made it. I live out here in former pac 12 country. Have some former uofa coaches as friends tell me they didn’t think he should’ve went nearly that high. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Couple things:

Jordan Davis was playing as a rookie. He got hurt and they went out and signed Joseph and Suh cause they felt his loss. And those two guys were playing at a high level that there just wasn’t the snaps afforded to Davis that year. This year Davis again looked good early. Got banged up then never really looked the same. 

Devonta smith’s production is always going to be capped because they also have aj brown. Aj brown had put up the two best seasons of his career here. While smith is a top 6-7 in that draft his statistics are going to be somewhat hindered by aj brown being here. I’d add on in 2022 he had nearly 1200 yards receiving. Probably has better 2023 stats if the entire offense didn’t crash and burn after week 12. Going to be really hard for smith to get the type of production guys like st brown or lamb did in 2023 when we have 2 no. 1 WRs. Not many teams have 2 capable no. 1 receivers

Nolan smith didn’t show much except for a playoff game. We knew when we drafted him it was a long game not short term. I do think he should’ve played more than he did

Milton williams was also drafted in the 3rd round. So I’m not shocked his first two years he wasn’t a starter. Frankly i viewed him as potentially reaching that year 3 or 4 but his first two years being a solid backup. He also has been blocked by guys ahead of him at DT and DE to be the starter. In 2022 we had insane depth and last year he was in the rotation and imo i don’t think he was as good as he was to finish 2022

dean was drafted to be a future starter not an immediate starter. Especially with the questions with his health going into and out of the draft. He was blocked by Edwards and white as a rookie. Then last year he got hurt twice and miss a huge portion of the season. Not sure i blame the coaches for Dean missing like 71% of his second year with an injury. Add on it was always going to take some time when he basically didn’t play as a rookie and is still learning in his second year

— this also goes to the eagles continue to draft down the road rather than implementing guys for needs right now. Really Carter was the only one in 2023 draft who was drafted to start or play significantly from the get go. Steen, brown and smith were all drafted to be down the road starters. They signed Evans, edmunds and had Wallace to slowly bring brown along 

I think that's also because of the playcalling and Hurts. We're also a run first team with two #1 receivers

16 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

He was never open, he would just jump ball. This dude was a 7th round pick all day and we took him over DK Metcalf lmao. 

Thanks for proving my point about Beebe.  See @ManuManuand @LeanMeanGM they do pick back ups with 2nd round picks.

 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Couple things:

Jordan Davis was playing as a rookie. He got hurt and they went out and signed Joseph and Suh cause they felt his loss. And those two guys were playing at a high level that there just wasn’t the snaps afforded to Davis that year. This year Davis again looked good early. Got banged up then never really looked the same. 

Devonta smith’s production is always going to be capped because they also have aj brown. Aj brown had put up the two best seasons of his career here. While smith is a top 6-7 in that draft his statistics are going to be somewhat hindered by aj brown being here. I’d add on in 2022 he had nearly 1200 yards receiving. Probably has better 2023 stats if the entire offense didn’t crash and burn after week 12. Going to be really hard for smith to get the type of production guys like st brown or lamb did in 2023 when we have 2 no. 1 WRs. Not many teams have 2 capable no. 1 receivers

Nolan smith didn’t show much except for a playoff game. We knew when we drafted him it was a long game not short term. I do think he should’ve played more than he did

Milton williams was also drafted in the 3rd round. So I’m not shocked his first two years he wasn’t a starter. Frankly i viewed him as potentially reaching that year 3 or 4 but his first two years being a solid backup. He also has been blocked by guys ahead of him at DT and DE to be the starter. In 2022 we had insane depth and last year he was in the rotation and imo i don’t think he was as good as he was to finish 2022

dean was drafted to be a future starter not an immediate starter. Especially with the questions with his health going into and out of the draft. He was blocked by Edwards and white as a rookie. Then last year he got hurt twice and miss a huge portion of the season. Not sure i blame the coaches for Dean missing like 71% of his second year with an injury. Add on it was always going to take some time when he basically didn’t play as a rookie and is still learning in his second year

— this also goes to the eagles continue to draft down the road rather than implementing guys for needs right now. Really Carter was the only one in 2023 draft who was drafted to start or play significantly from the get go. Steen, brown and smith were all drafted to be down the road starters. They signed Evans, edmunds and had Wallace to slowly bring brown along. Brown began playing more and looking slightly better then he also got significantly hurt (was banged up early too). Can’t blame coaches for him being hurt off and on as a rookie either

This is more than a couple.  I agree with you mostly but I do think Nolan Smith was productive during the regular season relative to his snaps.  

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Hated that pick when we made it. I live out here in former pac 12 country. Have some former uofa coaches as friends tell me they didn’t think he should’ve went nearly that high. 

And you didn't tell Howie? How can you call yourself a true fan. 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I think that's also because of the playcalling and Hurts. We're also a run first team with two #1 receivers

 true. why i said originally said on coach and on player. I’d also throw in eagles drafting and circumstance 

I also don’t think it’s all coaching. Like Dean was blocked by white and Edwards who were good in 2022 and stayed relatively healthy. So he was never going to play in 2022. Then he comes in 2023 and he missed 12 games with injury and it was always going to take time for him to have the game slow down and see if he could be the player they thought. I can’t really blame coaching on him not being good when he doesn’t stay healthy and they gave him a chance in 2023 and he kept getting hurt. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Part on coach and part on player. Player is also partially responsible for not playing if he’s not very good or not showing much. Like i don’t think it was strictly coaching as to why Jalen Reagor and JJAW failed 

If a coach can't get one player to play better, that's usually on the player.
If a coach can't get most players to play better, that's on the coach.

See Moorehead, Aaron.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Thanks for proving my point about Beebe.  See @ManuManuand @LeanMeanGM they do pick back ups with 2nd round picks.

 

This is more than a couple.  I agree with you mostly but I do think Nolan Smith was productive during the regular season relative to his snaps.  

I thought smith should’ve played more to keep guys like Reddick fresh. However i don’t think his performance justifies saying he’s capable of starting in place of Reddick and not seeing a drop off. Hes not ready yet for that jump. It’s why i think eagles want Reddick to play out his contract and move him into that role in 2025. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

If a coach can't get one player to play better, that's usually on the player.
If a coach can't get most players to play better, that's on the coach.

See Moorehead, Aaron.

It's pretty amazing that he's still here. They can't possibly attribute Smith and Brown's great seasons because of him

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

If a coach can't get one player to play better, that's usually on the player.
If a coach can't get most players to play better, that's on the coach.

See Moorehead, Aaron.

He’s gotten players on the field and some haven’t stayed on cause they got hurt. Dean missed 12 weeks that’s on our coaches? Brown got banged up early and then tore his acl, that’s on coaches? Davis also got hurt his rookie year and howie added Joseph and Suh who were playing at a really high level. Can’t blame my coach for Davis getting hurt, howie making moves and Davis not playing well after his injuries to justify those snaps. Also Davis was on the field early this year. And he got banged up again and his performance dropped off afterwards. Some of this young guys need to play and need to stay healthy. Some of the futility of our younger players this past year was their inability to stay healthy or blocked by starters ahead of them. 

Been trying to go around and gather as much intel from fan bases about some potential Eagles targets in free agency.

Some opinions I've gathered so far:

Xavier McKinney - good, but not great player. Struggles to tackle at times, and had some bad games against better TEs. But still a good player, worth a nice contract, but not elite money.

Jordyn Brooks - athletic, has potential, but has never been consistent.

Kam Curl - solid safety, good tackler, lacking range and ball skills, not contributing any turnovers was a problem.

Azeez Al Shaair - solid player, dependable, not a premium player or major difference-maker.

Jordan Whitehead - was really good for the Jets, was a playmaker, fans want him back.

Jerome Baker - mediocre player worth moving on from. Can do worse, but can do a lot better. Did nothing special.

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

And you didn't tell Howie? How can you call yourself a true fan. 

Sorry i came on here instead lol 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Been trying to go around and gather as much intel from fan bases about some potential Eagles targets in free agency.

Some opinions I've gathered so far:

Xavier McKinney - good, but not great player. Struggles to tackle at times, and had some bad games against better TEs.

Jordyn Brooks - athletic, has potential, but has never been consistent.

Kam Curl - solid safety, good tackler, lacking range and ball skills, not contributing any turnovers was a problem.

Azeez Al Shaair - solid player, dependable, not a premium player or major difference-maker.

Jordan Whitehead - was really good for the Jets, was a playmaker, fans want him back.

Jerome Baker - mediocre player worth moving on from. Can do worse, but can do a lot better. Did nothing special.

Think McKinney is going to make too much money and more than what the eagles are willing to pay. This feels like a Jenkins/byrd situation. Where everyone wanted to pay Byrd the significant money and the eagles pivoted to Jenkins who cost less, they liked him at his value more and fit what they  wanted to do more than Byrd. 

 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I thought smith should’ve played more to keep guys like Reddick fresh. However i don’t think his performance justifies saying he’s capable of starting in place of Reddick and not seeing a drop off. Hes not ready yet for that jump. It’s why i think eagles want Reddick to play out his contract and move him into that role in 2025. 

Yes, there's a possible drop off in play but I also think it's a question of resources.  Paying Reddick doesn't make sense.  They have Smith.  He can play that position and has the physical skills to produce.  

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Yes, there's a possible drop off in play but I also think it's a question of resources.  Paying Reddick doesn't make sense.  They have Smith.  He can play that position and has the physical skills to produce.  

I think it’s why the eagles don’t want to give him an extension and want him to play out the last year of his deal. They can decrease reddick’s snaps and increase smith. So that in 2025 the transition is much smoother. I have been saying this for a while, i think the eagles would give Reddick an increase in pay to smooth it over for the year and then let him walk as a FA in 2025. I don’t think they want to deal him nor give him an extension. It makes more sense for the eagles to bring him back for a year and increase smith’s snaps to eventually make that move in 2025 especially cause they view themselves as SB contenders in 2024. Without Reddick and just hoping smith pans out and stays healthy (issues he had a Georgia) isn’t a plan I’m guessing they would be fully comfortable with in 2024