1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The question was what was off the subject…

was speaking purely about depth. Starting five is fine. Actually seeming like stud Oline starters aren’t healthy and making it through all season at top form. Dickerson hasn’t been right yet. Lane is in his twilight. Cam seems to be playing through issues fairly routinely.

You still aren’t answering the question. Which players do you think are inadequate for their roster position?

With those deficient players identified, who do you think are players league-wide wh would be improvements?

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Another that could be a possible band-aid https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/statistics/_/id/21836/cameron-sutton

CBs past their 30th birthday are generally risky bets.

30 minutes ago, mattwill said:

All good points, but they are tangential (external) to the original point Ham and I were discussing … prospects who were identified as Draft sleepers. Once the Draft is completed there aren’t any sleepers. All the prospects are now either drafted players, or UDFAs committed to a team, or those who missed the boat entirely. A synonym for "sleeper” arguably is”dark horse”

I agree with Ham that APR qualified as a dark horse coming into the Draft. Mondon was never a dark horse.

"sleeper" is a mere guess word. A sleeper for one team could be ignored by another. It's why Howie makes his moves. All rankings are "official guesses" Nothing more than that. All boards differ. You can pick whichever you like, their "sleepers" will be different than the other 400 boards

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I always nitpick tighter the closer I think our squad is to being champions

A good choice of words by you ,,, nit pick. Are you aware of the racistroots of that expression? Are you aware of what nits are? Are you aware what the activity of picking nots is?

Just now, mattwill said:

CBs past their 30th birthday are generally risky bets.

Yes, I stated he would be a band aid(1 year) Samuel could be someone we could hang onto. He is 25 I believe

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes, I stated he would be a band aid(1 year) Samuel could be someone we could hang onto. He is 25 I believe

It seems pretty clear that Fangio isn’t a Samuel fan.

/speculation

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is just what I’m throwing out there. Just spitballing some ideas.

You are highly specific in your speculations about problems, but all you can do regarding solutions is spitball. Where is the balance in that?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just making the point about he’s replaceable

What steps would you take to replace him?

I hope you know that replacing someone who isn’t even on a team’s roster is an impossibility.

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

"sleeper" is a mere guess word. A sleeper for one team could be ignored by another. It's why Howie makes his moves. All rankings are "official guesses" Nothing more than that. All boards differ. You can pick whichever you like, their "sleepers" will be different than the other 400 boards

Agreed in principle, but Draftnicks look at the Draft holistically … in aggregate … so those different Boards are blended into the single perspective of the individual Draftnick.

JMO

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Agreed in principle, but Draftnicks look at the Draft holistically … in aggregate … so those different Boards are blended into the single perspective of the individual Draftnick.

JMO

Sure,there is a composite board I use the most. Doesn't mean it's perfect, just a consensus

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems interesting subject to me

Doesn't seem obvious?

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure,there is a composite board I use the most. Doesn't mean it's perfect, just a consensus

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3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts rallied the troops. On O and D…players and coaches. Really what seemed to happen is Hurts just got fed up with the ultra conservative playing not to lose. Hurts seemed to take over the O and just make it go. Opened it up…stopped playing so scared.

Look at Pryor vs Johnson and Johnson. Pryor not a first down... J&J = 4 TDs on 5 drives...no punts. Blocking the DL is more important than whatever comes out of your QB's mouth. Wake up!

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You found one site he was round five….which isn’t high at all.

Lol... the round was the result, not the projection.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I always nitpick tighter the closer I think our squad is to being champions

You annoy thee $h@× out of you mean

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Agreed in principle, but Draftnicks look at the Draft holistically … in aggregate … so those different Boards are blended into the single perspective of the individual Draftnick.

JMO

https://drafttek.com/ This one you would probably like. They go onto more detail,even as to what "tech" D linemen play best. Do most sites will just list them as D line,but if your team has a specific need for a 3 tech,they will tell you that. They also break down "WR" into outside and slots rather than lump them together. This causes one to look at more specific players and what their role could be for your team. ASmith was at the top of the "slot" WR list, but well back on the overall WR list. So if you were looking just for a slot fill this was very helpful. There is no way we can research every draft pick

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

All their backs were against the wall. Awareness of that reality was not known solely by Hurts. They responded to that reality as a team … a team that coalesced and collaborated.

Regarding "leading” the Defense, how was he able to do that? When they were on the field he wasn’t. When he was on the field they weren’t. They were effectively ships passing in the night. The leadership of the D came from Fangio up in the Booth, and the Defensive players down on the sidelines.

Matt Pryor came off the field and they were able to play offense. 5 drives ...no first downs....a sack/ fumble on a guy he let hit Hurts.. minus 3 yards.

Without him = zero punts... 4 TDs on 5 drives.

Patullo, Hurts... Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah... none had the impact that taking Pryor out of the game had. End of subject really.

Everyone remember the game we sacked Troy Aikman 12 times back in the 80s.... did their game plan or " rallying rhe troops" matter ? Or the fact they couldn't block Reggie, Jerome, Clyde and company?

Don't make a simple thing complicated.

10 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Do image Ringo is the next man up against a depleted Bucs WR room but we do also have Nickerson who we just moved up from the practice squad I know they were talking fairly high on him throughout camp.

He’s the next man up but he’s not a very good option. And he may be against back ups but I still think he’s going to struggle.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah felt like they really wanted Ringo to win the job all along. But he flat failed. Seems like almost a situation where you ponder whether to even keep a guy like that around even.

Precisely! they wanted him to win the job and he didn’t. They have given him opportunities in TC and he’s shown he just isn’t good enough. Time to end the experiment and trade for a good CB2.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

He’s the next man up but he’s not a very good option. And he may be against back ups but I still think he’s going to struggle.

He played vs the Rams in the playoffs dud a decent job. Maybe we relax and let him play before worrying so much? Only one spot on the field. Im more interested in seeing how our DL plays without Smith. Everything starts up front... gotta stop Irving and White first.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Precisely! they wanted him to win the job and he didn’t. They have given him opportunities in TC and he’s shown he just isn’t good enough. Time to end the experiment and trade for a good CB2.

Relax

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Precisely! they wanted him to win the job and he didn’t. They have given him opportunities in TC and he’s shown he just isn’t good enough. Time to end the experiment and trade for a good CB2.

You don't make moves put of panic. It should be obvious a trade is coming... too early yet. Prices will be too high.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

He played vs the Rams in the playoffs dud a decent job. Maybe we relax and let him play before worrying so much? Only one spot on the field. Im more interested in seeing how our DL plays without Smith. Everything starts up front... gotta stop Irving and White first.

The front and back need to complement each other though. If you can’t cover for more than 2 seconds then you can’t hope for your DL to get any kind of pressure. Though I agree if you can’t get good consistent pressure then you can’t hope for your backs to cover forever.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The front and back need to complement each other though. If you can’t cover for more than 2 seconds then you can’t hope for your DL to get any kind of pressure. Though I agree if you can’t get good consistent pressure then you can’t hope for your backs to cover forever.

You make it sound like Ringo can't move... we have seen him play some... relax a little. Up front is way more important, they don't have to pass if you can't stop the run. If tiu can't get to the QB...doesn't matter who you have in the back.

While they compliment each other for sure, the line is way more important.. As we just saw with the Pryor fiasco Sunday. Nothing changed on either side of the Eagles O or Rams D... yet one matchup at the line completely changed the game. One matchup in the secondary doesn't have same effect.

You can counter a mis match with Ringo by putting Mayfield on his arse or sliding a Safety over or LB underneath. I'd rather win the battle at the line though, kinda hurts their whole offense not just one option

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK that TB is depleted. Both Evans and Godwin could play, they have Sheppard and Egbuka is breaking out this year. If either of the first 2 don't play, that will be helpful

lol when I posted about the bucs WRs didn’t see the news about Godwin possibly my playing that came up for couple hours later lol…. Though pretty sure I heard Evan’s is unlikely heard he could miss couple weeks