8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If you watch the TD reception by Smitty,you will see what I was talking about before. It was not a clean cut route, it was an arc, a timing route. As long as you are inside your defender it's very hard to defend. Not the clean break your diagram showed. I hope you can see what I mean now

For a former TE it’s really surprising how you don’t recognize or understand expectations on any route running. That wasn’t an Out Route. Why would you think it was?

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If you watch the TD reception by Smitty,you will see what I was talking about before. It was not a clean cut route, it was an arc, a timing route. As long as you are inside your defender it's very hard to defend. Not the clean break your diagram showed. I hope you can see what I mean now

Definitely have no idea what you are thinking or comparing

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

It was an ugly win due to poor, predictable coaching on the O. According to Smitty, his TD was something he, AJ, and Hurts schemed up. AJ should have drawn a DPI. GB has a good D, still no reason over this season for not being able to scheme AJ open. With the emphasis on ball safety, Hurts is not going to throw as many contested throws, where AJ excels when he's being used for more than a blocker or decoy. It used to be screens behind the LOS on long ydg drove me nuts. Now it's predicted runs up the gut.

Stinks it’s come to this..but feels like it’s going to be up to the players

44 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

For a former TE it’s really surprising how you don’t recognize or understand expectations on any route running. That wasn’t an Out Route. Why would you think it was?

Maybe I missed something but where did he say it was an out route?

Speaking of out routes with the Pack sitting on the out routes i have to wonder why the Eagles didn't call an out and go

I was simply saying the play calls were too predictable and non-aggressive. If the D knows ( heck, we all knew ) we were going to run it up the gut on 3rd and 11, they kept bringing the safety up and stopping that play. Patullo could have used that, repeatedly played it safe instead, giving up on the drive.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Looks like one of the new guys on defense got us a turnover too. With yhe recovered fumble

You are correct. I’ll update the spread sheet and repost.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Stinks it’s come to this..but feels like it’s going to be up to the players

I mean...the players play the game. Make better decisions, throws and don't fumble and it gets much easier

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

I was simply saying the play calls were too predictable and non-aggressive. If the D knows ( heck, we all knew ) we were going to run it up the gut on 3rd and 11, they kept bringing the safety up and stopping that play. Patullo could have used that, repeatedly played it safe instead, giving up on the drive.

Play calls were not the reason Mailata slipped, Fred Johnson completely missed his blocking, Hurts fumbled or made any bad throws. Play calling was fine. Head coaching, game decisions at the end were questionable...and I think dumb. But players need to execute. Both offenses had issues with their players last night. Green Bay has the great O mind...doesn't mean squat when the players mess up

4 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Except that could easily be a pick 6 if that defender catches the ball. I'm not a fan of throwing through the defense

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Just bad play calling when you call for your player to slip.

Well neither team wanted to score because according to Ham that was the game plan ,so you have to be creative with your pre planned errors LOL

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Definitely have no idea what you are thinking or comparing

Yes I know you have no idea LOL

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Stinks it’s come to this..but feels like it’s going to be up to the players

Isn't it always up to the players to execute??

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Maybe I missed something but where did he say it was an out route?

Never did, but it will reported I did into the year 2029 🤣 and could possibly follow me into the afterlife. At the pearly gates he will say "OH you ALMOST made it in, except when you called that out route" Then I will go to hell serving eternity as a Browns fan

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Play calls were not the reason Mailata slipped, Fred Johnson completely missed his blocking, Hurts fumbled or made any bad throws. Play calling was fine. Head coaching, game decisions at the end were questionable...and I think dumb. But players need to execute. Both offenses had issues with their players last night. Green Bay has the great O mind...doesn't mean squat when the players mess up

Play calls are definitely a major part of the issue, have been all season. Waiting for a game where the plays are on the jumbotron before we execute them. Running up the gut not working, let's run it more - the very definition of insanity. I want a play caller that sees the problem and finds a creative solution, like involving our other weapons from the same formation once the D bites. Reality - what a concept - Robin Williams.

8 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Play calls are definitely a major part of the issue, have been all season. Waiting for a game where the plays are on the jumbotron before we execute them. Running up the gut not working, let's run it more - the very definition of insanity. I want a play caller that sees the problem and finds a creative solution, like involving our other weapons from the same formation once the D bites. Reality - what a concept - Robin Williams.

So Mailata slipped, Fred Johnson completely whiffed, Hurts fumbled and made bad throws because of the play calling?

4 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Play calls are definitely a major part of the issue, have been all season. Waiting for a game where the plays are on the jumbotron before we execute them. Running up the gut not working, let's run it more - the very definition of insanity. I want a play caller that sees the problem and finds a creative solution, like involving our other weapons from the same formation once the D bites. Reality - what a concept - Robin Williams.

SO what do you do when nothing is working? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I know I don't function as well at 20 degrees in a crosswind as I do at 80 with a breeze. It was the first cold/windy game. IDK that alot of risk was in order. Ball is like a brick at that temp. We saw the wind affect both QB's. I WAS hoping for some cheap, quick short stuff in the middle of the field . I saw they were vulnerable there over their LB's like to Ship or Geodert. We did a few after the 1/2. Could have done that more IMO . We don't do crossing routes which is easy grabs for most WR's so SMH but taking the W anyway

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO what do you do when nothing is working? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I know I don't function as well at 20 degrees in a crosswind as I do at 80 with a breeze. It was the first cold/windy game. IDK that alot of risk was in order. Ball is like a brick at that temp. We saw the wind affect both QB's. I WAS hoping for some cheap, quick short stuff in the middle of the field . I saw they were vulnerable there over their LB's like to Ship or Geodert. We did a few after the 1/2. Could have done that more IMO . We don't do crossing routes which is easy grabs for most WR's so SMH but taking the W anyway

TBH I can't even tell you who was in the slot. I didn't notice because there were no balls thrown to him? I assume it was Dotson, but if you cornered me I couldn't tell you

If they're bringing in the S, it leaves someone or somewhere open. A good OC would take advantage of that.

pointing to last night's slips and falls, cold weather and false starts doesn't explain away the fact that they are ranked 23rd offensively to this point.

it's a combo of everything that could go wrong, going wrong.

• injuries

• playcalling

• execution (yes @cunninghamtheman, that includes hurts)

again though, they are 7-2, not 2-7. the record can't be ignored.

The Eagles are the first team to hold the Packers to seven or fewer points at Lambeau since 2018.

27 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

pointing to last night's slips and falls, cold weather and false starts doesn't explain away the fact that they are ranked 23rd offensively to this point.

it's a combo of everything that could go wrong, going wrong.

• injuries

• playcalling

• execution (yes @cunninghamtheman, that includes hurts)

again though, they are 7-2, not 2-7. the record can't be ignored.

I think we got lucky as they kept shooting themselves in the foot(we just did that a little less)

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think we got lucky as they kept shooting themselves in the foot(we just did that a little less)

at the end of the day, i'll take ugly the wins, especially on 2/8/26. 🫡

Regarding Hurts’ fumble last night, there are fumbles, and there are bad fumbles. Do you think his fumble last night was a bad fumble?