On a positive note O minds clearly see they will have a massive leap forward in production versus the pathetic underachievement the O coaching lead us to.

Guess the whole subject boils down to how much are you thinking win now is a priority.

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So much so Moore jumped ship for a terrible job opportunity.

Would argue Moore took the Saints job because it was one of the best job opportunities…. Roster and cap situation were not great but he no doubt got guaranteed he would get multiple years to right the ship hand pick his own QB in a really weak NFC south.

Saints also just went 6-11 and seem to have a really promising QB

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

A "bad" HC still pays more than a good OC position LOL

I mean if Saints offered Moore 3 years guaranteed to fix the saints that’s huge basically get two years to hone his craft as a HC not having to worry to much about the record…. Then 2027 saints will free up a ton of cap space for him to really go after it and build a contender….

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean if Saints offered Moore 3 years guaranteed to fix the saints that’s huge basically get two years to hone his craft as a HC not having to worry to much about the record…. Then 2027 saints will free up a ton of cap space for him to really go after it and build a contender….

They are cash strapped. If he can show progress in year 3 I suspect they give him a 5 year deal. By then they should be out of cap hell. They have some young bright guys(like Olave). Kamara on this last legs and a TE will be needed, but being they are all young,they can grow together(in theory). Whether that theory become s reality remains to be seen

34 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oh no doubts. Already pulled the trick of telling Moore he had complete autonomy….yet Siri walked that back super quick.

Or the more likely culprit was Jalen Hurts…. Moore opened the offense first 4 weeks had Hurts throwing the ball 30+ times with not great results 4 ints in 4 games after the bye week he adjusts and turns to the ground game and Hurts only throws the ball 30+ times once rest of the season playoffs included.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

They are cash strapped. If he can show progress in year 3 I suspect they give him a 5 year deal. By then they should be out of cap hell. They have some young bright guys(like Olave). Kamara on this last legs and a TE will be needed, but being they are all young,they can grow together(in theory). Whether that theory become s reality remains to be seen

It's actually tougher to "undo" what people learned and reteach them something different rather that teach from the beginning how you want things done. So. Moore tried to "undo" here and that didn't work so well . In NO he has a chance to build from scratch

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Or the more likely culprit was Jalen Hurts…. Moore opened the offense first 4 weeks had Hurts throwing the ball 30+ times with not great results 4 ints in 4 games after the bye week he adjusts and turns to the ground game and Hurts only throws the ball 30+ times once rest of the season playoffs included.

Hurts was also taking off and running the ball upfield last season. Due to his side deal he stopped doing that. He may run upfield for 4 yards and fall down,but no massive yardage like with Moore and the stellar O line we had. So now the O line was weaker and Hurts would run for the sidelines rather than try to win. And if course we ran the tush push to death and didn't run it much this year

David Shaw I still think might be my top guy to be OC if we can pry him away from the Lions. I’d understand Daboll makes a ton of sense and see the appeal of a Mcdaniels.

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean if Saints offered Moore 3 years guaranteed to fix the saints that’s huge basically get two years to hone his craft as a HC not having to worry to much about the record…. Then 2027 saints will free up a ton of cap space for him to really go after it and build a contender….

That's the plan as I see it also

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

David Shaw I still think might be my top guy to be OC if we can pry him away from the Lions. I’d understand Daboll makes a ton of sense and see the appeal of a Mcdaniels.

If I was Howie I would ask Fangio "which OC would you have the hardest time game planning against"

21 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Would argue Moore took the Saints job because it was one of the best job opportunities…. Roster and cap situation were not great but he no doubt got guaranteed he would get multiple years to right the ship hand pick his own QB in a really weak NFC south.

Saints also just went 6-11 and seem to have a really promising QB

That's really not terrible for a new HC considering you are in cap hell with a rook QB and can't go get the guys you need and they were limited on draft picks also

I look at Shaw numerous years as a QB coach/WR coach in the NFL for different teams.. Stanford OC for few years then the HC 2011-2022. Developed some pretty good QB in that span Andrew Luck being one of them and was Tanner McKee coach.

Then was passing game coordinator for the lions this year which was the #3 passing offense in the NFL with a limited QB in Jared Goff.

And Shaw at 53 after he stepped away from Stanford HC job then took 3 years off before becoming pass game coordinator for the Lions not sure he would even be interested in a HC opportunity

Also heard we have poked around at LSU OC Weis Jr

We need an experienced play caller who can look at our players, understand their strengths and weaknesses, then put in a system that plays to those strengths.

29 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

We need an experienced play caller who can look at our players, understand their strengths and weaknesses, then put in a system that plays to those strengths.

We need a 100% functioning dominant O line. Get that and you or I could call the plays

12 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Monken following Harabugh to the Giants

Not yet he isn’t. Interviewing for head coaching positions.

Personally I would like to see McDaniel at OC although I'm sure he will be checking out HC jobs. Miami's offense was often derailed because of Tua's concussions. I feel he would utilize our players to the best of their abilities

Free agents: Dotson is out…no big loss; contributed very little

Geodert, Blankenship, Dean…..hopefully all return but probably not.

AJ Brown isn’t a free agent to my understanding.

OCs: this one is intriguing. No real issue with everyone’s opinion of who they want….I would prefer a Mcvay protege….and make sure Siri stays the hell out of the way.

McVay is the best coach in the NFL, in my opinion of course. I "like” Shanahan’s offensive game plans, but I like McVay’s better. McDaniels is interesting as Miami had a potent run game….he’s just freaking weird. Haha.

I dont want Reich. Daboll is a real maybe. Stefanski is interesting but unlikely. Kafka, no thanks. Someone from the McVay tree is my hope. Strong run games. Without that, Hurts is a below average QB and we will see more of the same crap offense.

57 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

We need an experienced play caller who can look at our players, understand their strengths and weaknesses, then put in a system that plays to those strengths.

Actually attack the weak matchups….like when a team is missing their top four LBs.

36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We need a 100% functioning dominant O line. Get that and you or I could call the plays

And that's why part of me feels we were winning in spite of Siri

23 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Personally I would like to see McDaniel at OC although I'm sure he will be checking out HC jobs. Miami's offense was often derailed because of Tua's concussions. I feel he would utilize our players to the best of their abilities

Get the plays in early so the playclock isn’t winding down when the players break the huddle. Using Motion giving our players a read on the D. Just way too much in our guys favor to make such a move.

33 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

And that's why part of me feels we were winning in spite of Siri

Siri does a nice job of keeping players from eating themselves. No locker room CRAP

49 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

Free agents: Dotson is out…no big loss; contributed very little

Geodert, Blankenship, Dean…..hopefully all return but probably not.

AJ Brown isn’t a free agent to my understanding.

OCs: this one is intriguing. No real issue with everyone’s opinion of who they want….I would prefer a Mcvay protege….and make sure Siri stays the hell out of the way.

McVay is the best coach in the NFL, in my opinion of course. I "like” Shanahan’s offensive game plans, but I like McVay’s better. McDaniels is interesting as Miami had a potent run game….he’s just freaking weird. Haha.

I dont want Reich. Daboll is a real maybe. Stefanski is interesting but unlikely. Kafka, no thanks. Someone from the McVay tree is my hope. Strong run games. Without that, Hurts is a below average QB and we will see more of the same crap offense.

That's why I want McDaniels, he has PASSION. He wants to WIN(He is also from the Shanahan coaching tree). If he got the OC,it would be short lived springboard too another HC job, but you win SB's when you can