22 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

At some point you will have to admit Hurts is not superman and he is a substandard QB. No OC can get him to do anything. They leave the first chance they get because Hurts can't learn a damn thing. he is stuck in college mode and he's not getting out not progressing. The team performs only as well as his surrounding cast. Once you figure this out you can talk more to everyone who already knows

Steichen we went to the SB. Moore with Siri massively interfering and slowing down the progress…won the SB. Added in more under Moore in his partial season than the rest of Siri’s years combined.

But clearly witnessed every time Siri the more he’s messing in the O has been terrible. Even Steichen and Moore were sandbagged trying to run Siri’s O(whatever you call his limited playbooks).

On 1/23/2026 at 11:23 AM, GreenbleedinNC said:

BS don't players get paid based on production(aka stats)??? Do they get paid for hot cars or nice clothes instead? Don't be ridiculous. You going to pay a #1 WR 12 million a year if his stats are 400 yards and 2 TD's? Really?

Winning is what Hurts gets paid for. Watch any number of Hurts pressers and he makes this VERY clear.

13 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not many left now. We'll take the last guy available and overpay him

We’re screwed! Screwed up a really strong opportunity to repeat. Now looking to screw up another season with Siri. Three seasons out we should finally get an O mind. Tough to expect year one success for the new eventual HC. So looking like our window got pushed back quite a bit aways.

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not progressing….in the same Weakest Siri O the entire time.

You're still too stupid to understand it's NOT "Siri's O" So until that sinks in(if ever) you won't have a clue what affects the QB play. Fact remains MOORE could not get Hurts to FUNCTIION in a viable COMPLEX offense. This is why no one can talk to you, because you don't understand how our system works and that the whole issue with every OC has been HURTS can't handle anything above a college RPO. SO until you figure this out, it's pointless to talk to you. And please define for me what you consider "A great O mind" What are those qualifications. We have done well because Howie has many numerous great players on this team who cover the WEAK QB play

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Let’s just start with an actual pro scheme…then just get whatever playcalls in much earlier. 2023 and 2025 both had our O coming out of the huddle with not much time.

Agreed on this point

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Siri isn’t an O mind. End of discussion. He’s been really trash with all these elements.

Siri doesn't run the play calling

56 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He went for it…had it perfectly setup too. But for no known reason Fred just gave up his block….his guy caught Hurts by the slimmest of tackles.

There was/is zero reason to lose to the beat up 0ers. This should have been an easy mop job. But Hurts played to his minimum and if you get caught once on the bad side because you play at the minimum, you lose. Hurts UNDER performed the entire game. Now we can pick out others errors, there are errors every game. The QB's job is to overcome those errors. Hurts now fails to do that, which he DID do before his lame side deal. He is a sellout quitter and now the whole team knows it 

53 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The guy who seemed to quit playing was AJ

He's not on the field to run cardio drills,he wants the ball,he wants major target share. He is being paid for major target share, Hurts is paid to get him that target share and he fails to do it. AJ is great, he needs a QB

52 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But clearly witnessed every time Siri the more he’s messing in the O has been terrible. Even Steichen and Moore were sandbagged trying to run Siri’s O(whatever you call his limited playbooks).

Still clueless LMAO

51 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Winning is what Hurts gets paid for. Watch any number of Hurts pressers and he makes this VERY clear.

So where was the easy win vs the 9ers????? Hurts gets paid even if he loses. There is no deduction from his massive paycheck. He could stand there and take sacks all day and still get paid. He now fails to put himself out there and he no longer "leaves it all on the field". he plays the minimum possible and now others are no longer wanting to carry him. If he quit,they quit. very easy to understand human nature(except for you of course)

52 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We’re screwed! Screwed up a really strong opportunity to repeat. Now looking to screw up another season with Siri. Three seasons out we should finally get an O mind. Tough to expect year one success for the new eventual HC. So looking like our window got pushed back quite a bit aways.

Yes, it's pushed back because Hurts decided his own skin was more important that this organization. No one wants this OC job because they know they have a half assed QB who isn't going to put himself out or even risk a BOO BOO. He got his big payday and doesn't give a crap anymore. How do you attract a "great O mind" with a QB who is a quitter and can't get past the college RPO???? As you can see nobody is banging the door down to get this OC job

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Fred totally had him locked down at outside before he just stopped trying way too early.

There is a guy open at the 15, why isn't the ball in the air??????

On 6/16/2025 at 6:30 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

Maybe we can get Steichen back next season. Anthony Richardson or Daniel Jones as options feels like he’s pretty well sunk.

Great RB, why isn't "the great O mind" Steichen in the SB by now?

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

There is no question about Siri. Worst O going. Notice how they are making it clear that a top notch OC will supposedly get autonomy. Which most here ignored what had been actually going on.

You realize even with that the top OC don't want to come here. It's because of our QBs limits.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You're still too stupid to understand it's NOT "Siri's O" So until that sinks in(if ever) you won't have a clue what affects the QB play. Fact remains MOORE could not get Hurts to FUNCTIION in a viable COMPLEX offense. This is why no one can talk to you, because you don't understand how our system works and that the whole issue with every OC has been HURTS can't handle anything above a college RPO. SO until you figure this out, it's pointless to talk to you. And please define for me what you consider "A great O mind" What are those qualifications. We have done well because Howie has many numerous great players on this team who cover the WEAK QB play

I’m educated guessing here…but feel it’s very highly likely…Rosie had to interfere with the coaching last season. He had to get Siri to back off and let Moore get the job done ..while there was(what turned out to be) exactly at the last second. Pittsburgh Steelers game. Then the playoffs.

16 hours ago, DownwithDallas said:

😄 that's hilarious but probably true

Yeah…coaches really hate having such top notch quality leadership has everybody focused solely on winning a championship. What coach would want a QB always made sure playoff team? It’s especially frowned upon having a QB that rises to the big game situations and pressures. First thing you here every coach say is they desire players that shrink in the postseason and SB bright lights.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You're still too stupid to understand it's NOT "Siri's O" So until that sinks in(if ever) you won't have a clue what affects the QB play. Fact remains MOORE could not get Hurts to FUNCTIION in a viable COMPLEX offense. This is why no one can talk to you, because you don't understand how our system works and that the whole issue with every OC has been HURTS can't handle anything above a college RPO. SO until you figure this out, it's pointless to talk to you. And please define for me what you consider "A great O mind" What are those qualifications. We have done well because Howie has many numerous great players on this team who cover the WEAK QB play

55 points in the NFC Championship game was really underachieving for sure. What has Siri had those same guys putting points wise?

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

There is a guy open at the 15, why isn't the ball in the air??????

There is nobody to stop Hurts running to the 10…or man it’s Jalen Hurts…that leader very possibly was going to score a TD.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Siri doesn't run the play calling

Much more going on than playcalling running an O…you do realize , right? As a TE I’d assume you grasped all it takes to run an O. Starts with fitting a scheme and play design with personnel. Then you have coaching all the varying scenarios for each play to potentially face. Repetition and practice so much for football compared to other sports. Then you get gameplanning the specific matchup each week. Then you get playcalling. Setting up audibles. You know the Siri run, screen or deep go routes audibles got figured out quick in 2023. But really every year other than 2024…Siri never equipped the audibles in the O. Coaching expectations…basically when you face ideal D playcall to stop our playcall…audible. Also audibles can be a weapon just if Hurts sees an opening to set it up that way.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

There is a guy open at the 15, why isn't the ball in the air??????

Why isn’t your question: why did Fred give up on his block he had under control? It’s one thing if you get beat sometimes. But he had it…just quit. That’s actual quiting on the live play that pretty much cost us the game.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Siri doesn't run the play calling

Siri has..and doesn’t hesitate to get involved. Plus he sets everything up pregame planning wise with the plays.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

There was/is zero reason to lose to the beat up 0ers. This should have been an easy mop job. But Hurts played to his minimum and if you get caught once on the bad side because you play at the minimum, you lose. Hurts UNDER performed the entire game. Now we can pick out others errors, there are errors every game. The QB's job is to overcome those errors. Hurts now fails to do that, which he DID do before his lame side deal. He is a sellout quitter and now the whole team knows it 

Hurts was going to run that play down inside the 10 easy. How many drops were there? AJ just sabotaging. I was telling everybody I wouldn’t trust throwing to AJ on that last drive. Looked like AJ was tanking so he made sure he forced his trade. Rosie has no option now. Dumb extension he signed AJ to placate his ego.

Saquan super easy drop. Even Smitty dropped a ball. The D cracked a bit also.

This is all with our O scheme being the clear worst league wide. Terrible playcalling with no ability to make any quality adjustments. Siri and Patullo just aren’t…weren’t ever qualified. I’m the guy that preaches it takes time to develop and master. Siri and Patullo been given way beyond ample opportunities to see if they could gef up to speed on the job training.