8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Only O we should be concerned with building revolves around Hurts.

Except you can’t build an O around Hurts he can’t pass the ball at an elite level and he refusing to use his best attribute his legs.

Our top OC picks would rather coach elsewhere then be tied to Hurts it’s that bad

26 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Herbert a coach killer. Talented plenty enough, but so flawed. Nowhere near Hurts levels.

And Mcdaniels would still rather go coach him then come be Hurts OC what does that say…. Hurts is a massive issue holding us back and we are stuck for another 2 years

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

You're not wrong and if they have to dumb down the play calling for Hurts there's an even bigger problem

But why then does it manifest itself every OTHER year?

If Hurts were the main problem wouldn't it show up EVERY year?

The thing is he’s been stuck under Siri the entire time

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hurts did really do anything under Moore though. Difference was the ground game and Saquon running for 2k.

Hurts had 14 games including playoffs with under 250 yards passing under Moore.

Only 4 games over 250 yards passing

And he was still willing to run and use his legs which offset the lack of throwing numerous reports have come out stated Hurts is wanting to run less.

Hurts actually audibled out of bad playcalling for such a high percentage of big key plays that were made.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts actually audibled out of bad playcalling for such a high percentage of big key plays that were made.

Two or three games his audibled key big plays were undoubtably the main key to victory!

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Makes you think even more about Hurts limitations when Kellen Moore in NO on a way worst roster and a rookie QB in Tyler Shough throw for 250+ yards in 5 out of his 11 starts they won 4 of those 5 games

All I considered was just how limited our potentially all time greatest O was

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yep,I called it the KISS offense

Oversimplified O under Siri been arguably biggest issue to overcome

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Makes you think even more about Hurts limitations when Kellen Moore in NO on a way worst roster and a rookie QB in Tyler Shough throw for 250+ yards in 5 out of his 11 starts they won 4 of those 5 games

Should make you consider just what Siri was holding up last season.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Should make you consider just what Siri was holding up last season.

Moore was on track to open things up even more than he was given the opportunity to do.

3 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

McDaniel and McDaniel are the 2 "Names" who would have likely change the playcalling. There are several others i'm seeing but they look like Patullo clones

If you don't think playcalling is an issue just look at the routes they were running they ran 3X more hitch routes than anyone else.

On the last drive against the Niners they went into a shell because they new EXACTLY what the Eagles would call

The Niners DC said as much

They better have a hard look at the O line Dickerson already said he wasn't sure he'd ever be healthy again

Jurgens has a bad back

Lane could retire any time

Don't even wanna talk about Hurts and Brown

The QB is the issue. When we don't run and he doesn't run...he is below average. That's not going to change. That's a problem when your QB doesn't read the field well and doesn't run.

58 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except you can’t build an O around Hurts he can’t pass the ball at an elite level and he refusing to use his best attribute his legs.

Our top OC picks would rather coach elsewhere then be tied to Hurts it’s that bad

You can build a 2024 offense around Hurts..problem is ...those players aren't going to be here anymore. It is what it is... enough fans will complain about the next play caller next year when the same issues arise.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except you can’t build an O around Hurts he can’t pass the ball at an elite level and he refusing to use his best attribute his legs.

Our top OC picks would rather coach elsewhere then be tied to Hurts it’s that bad

But yeah...no top play caller wants Hurts as a QB. He isn't the type of QB you want showing off the complicated plays... Moore dumbed it down and got a head coaching job, but he was already established in the league.

Read option...that's not what a play caller is going to want to constantly run.

Siri actually just got in the way. All O players

3 hours ago, DownwithDallas said:

Hurts struggles going through his progressions and reading a defense. I'll give him credit he throws a good deep ball but that's about it. He doesn't throw with timing ever it's always after the break and late.

Exactly an area being in no scheme under Siri we’ve really done a disservice to our best ever franchise QB.

3 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

to be clear, i'm a fan of hurts, but i'm not going to ignore the reality that he has limitations. that said, i think he can get better if he gets with the right OC.

Every player is better in better scheme and coaching.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's the KISS offense. Hurts is(was) a RB who can throw. He got booted in Bama and had to transfer to play because he lost the starting job in Bama

Lost his starting job to a high top draft pick in Tua. That’s remarkable considering Tua was well known for terrible durability.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No because it depends on Hurts surrounding cast, which sometimes changes. The O line drop off was the biggest change. it exposed Hurts for the weak QB he is, then on top of that he decided he's not going to run anymore. So what's left? A mediocre QB behind an average O line. If the supporting cast is not WAY above average, Hurts can't play, he has to have others carry him

All I care about is his a player can perform with a quality team. All that matters.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hurts is fine when he protects the ball and gives you the plus plays with his legs. But if he is serious about not wanting to run as much anymore I don’t have a ton of faith in him as just a pure passer

You guys still haven’t a clue about Hurts greatness. Leadership

Hurts was the rare QB superstar that actually just went along and accepted taking the personal hit to his stats for the sake of TEAM AND WIN!

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's the KISS offense. Hurts is(was) a RB who can throw. He got booted in Bama and had to transfer to play because he lost the starting job in Bama

He transferred and answered that adversity by balling out. Heisman trophy runner up

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Joe and I were pushing for him to become a complete QB. He played well enough with his surrounding cast(see dominant O line) to win a SB, then he pu&&ied out and decided he didn't want to risk injury with his new wife on the line,so he made a side deal which negated the reason he got the big money. He is a SELLOUT. Ham labelled me a #hater,when reality was my bar was set higher,to the same standards I want from others. He never got there and now he sold this team down the river. He will be fine with his loot. I hope he chokes on it. If I was a #hater, he gave me a reason now

Why should Hurts risk anymore during regular season games?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Why should Hurts risk anymore during regular season games?

We really just need Hurts and key players healthy in the postseason

3 hours ago, DownwithDallas said:

I wouldn’t say sellout I would say he decided he was more important than the team.

Siri is the one made that his main coaching point in 2023

3 hours ago, DownwithDallas said:

Jalen vs zone coverage sucks

Cloud coverages against our predictable deep routes is the issue

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Joe Burrow been sacked 213 times in 77 games he has played in or 2.7 times a game…. That not even counting the number of times he is hit when he get rid of the ball.

Jalen Hurts in 93 games has only been sacked 183 times for a comparison

Hurts being strong tough and elusive you are trying to count against him

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except you can’t build an O around Hurts he can’t pass the ball at an elite level and he refusing to use his best attribute his legs.

Our top OC picks would rather coach elsewhere then be tied to Hurts it’s that bad

Exactly right