38 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah noone makes mistakes ever, except when your boy does, then all we hear are excuses, playing the blame game, coaches fault, this guys fault, that guys fault. How is Hurts going to learn any new concept when he can't even see the field? Not only is Hurts a mediocre QB,he's too stupid to learn anything. Thats no leader, that is a guy who is at the top of his ceiling, unable to go any farther. Hurts cannot play unless he is surrounded by pro bowl talent,end of story. Now post that list

See you love Fields and Shew bringing excitement to bad teams. That’s not a needed skill…other than to sell tickets. What matters is can the guy get the job done with a good team. Will he wilt in the clutch and biggest stage? Heck Hurts thrives!

Yes in this team sport our QB needs teammates. Basic football

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hard to go further than SB MVP….thats it…that is the ceiling. You prioritize padding week one stats over SB MVP. What’s a higher accomplishment than SB MVP?

More than 1 to get into the HOF??? BTW the QB's get most of the credit for having the best surrounding cast in the league. Hurts rode those coattails off Barkley and the tush push,not because he could play QB

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

See you love Fields and Shew bringing excitement to bad teams. That’s not a needed skill…other than to sell tickets. What matters is can the guy get the job done with a good team. Will he wilt in the clutch and biggest stage? Heck Hurts thrives!

Yes in this team sport our QB needs teammates. Basic football

You bash Hurts not producing throws to the Slot when Rosie failed so endlessly to get a receiver that can produce anything. Real real hard to put up huge passing stats to a Slot WR known for his blocking. But not just a blocking Slot WRs…not one, not two….but also the other personnel package had a second TE that only blocks.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

You bash Hurts not producing throws to the Slot when Rosie failed so endlessly to get a receiver that can produce anything. Real real hard to put up huge passing stats to a Slot WR known for his blocking. But not just a blocking Slot WRs…not one, not two….but also the other personnel package had a second TE that only blocks.

So a blocking Slot WR or a blocking second TE. What Qb would be producing much receiving stats to the guys even referred to openly as blockers?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See you love Fields and Shew bringing excitement to bad teams. That’s not a needed skill…other than to sell tickets. What matters is can the guy get the job done with a good team. Will he wilt in the clutch and biggest stage? Heck Hurts thrives!

Yes in this team sport our QB needs teammates. Basic football

Who said I loved Fields and Shew? Only you, but you can't deny your obssessive love for your sellout QB who got the big money then turned traitor and trust me real fans know this AJ rift is because of your sellout QB. If you were Patullo(not a fan) how do you draw up plays for 1/'2 a QB? How Innovative could you be for 1/2 ASSED QUITTER?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So a blocking Slot WR or a blocking second TE. What Qb would be producing much receiving stats to the guys even referred to openly as blockers?

This stuff is just so obvious to me. Yeah Hurts ran Spread and didn’t feature TEs in college. He’s also far from the ‘Prototype’ QB…especially concerning height. So I do volunteer these are issues Hurts came into the NFL facing.

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Like the other 31 teams do??? Like that?

Yep…all but the 32 Siri

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Like the other 31 teams?

Yes it’s commonly understood by everybody but you week one is a crap shoot. Even teams staying in the same O for years.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You bash Hurts not producing throws to the Slot when Rosie failed so endlessly to get a receiver that can produce anything. Real real hard to put up huge passing stats to a Slot WR known for his blocking. But not just a blocking Slot WRs…not one, not two….but also the other personnel package had a second TE that only blocks.

Dotson is trash? Why were his stats the same as Quez? Why would Howie invest in a slot Hurts never looks for?(you know because he is a 1 read QB) Howie went out and got Hurts 2 more weapons and you can bet your arse Manniion is going to throw the ball and hurts better deliver or he's DONE in Philly

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes it’s commonly understood by everybody but you week one is a crap shoot. Even teams staying in the same O for years.

So what about week 2,3,4 more picks more trash play from Hurts. Siri stopped the bloodletting. Terrible decision that led us to a SB, just AWFUL(lmao).With no intervention we would not have been in the SB. Hurts could not handle Moores O easy to see

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not crisp and clueless are 2 different things. Hurts should come out crisp because that's his job

Be great…but just not reality. Week one always shows as not crisp and indicative of any teams season. You still haven’t acknowledged just how many things Hurts took on doing for the first time in 2024. It was massive…he finally got a coach. Well Steichen is quality…but he was so stuck under Siri in his non-O scheme. With Siri clearly making the decisions to skip developing our franchise QB.

25 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah highest paid G gets owned with his guy hitting the QB quick in the Endzone…is Dickerson’s fault and blame. In fact Slaton owned Dickerson before that leading to hacking us up into the Endzone. Twice…in three plays to start the season. Supposedly was our key matchup advantage instead.

So if Hurts knows a guy is getting through and he had this audible freedom,WHY didn't HURT change the plays? Or call a TO and go tell his staff" this is not working because....... where was the leadership you claim Houdini Hurts has?????

Hurts had his family friend in Johnson I believe is good also. But clearly he was against Siri but forced to do what the HC decided. Which got him fired. Same as Patullo.

33 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So clueless I keep predicting what’s going to happen way in advance. Really difficult to accomplish being clueless. Yet you can’t even figure these things out in hindsight.

OK so what's your prediction for this upcoming season. be specific, no general crap(still waiting on the list of how Hurts is redefining leadership (LMAO)

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH please list all the things. How can McKee learn them but Hurts can't??

Seems like QB play across the room has pretty much gone up and down depending on Siri involvement. They all much weaker the more Siri fingerprints on things. Moore got the best out of Tanner and Pickett. Shew, Mariota…on and on….looked better most of their careers elsewhere besides under Siri.

34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH please list all the things. How can McKee learn them but Hurts can't??

McKee played PS. But what do you have to support your judgement of Tanner week one in a real game?

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hard to go further than SB MVP….thats it…that is the ceiling. You prioritize padding week one stats over SB MVP. What’s a higher accomplishment than SB MVP?

MVP to 19/32 QB with the same players he played with before???? Hurts got MVP because he also RAN THE BALL and used the push multiple ti9mes a game, then POOF HGoudini hurts just gave all that up because he is a QUITTER

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts had his family friend in Johnson I believe is good also. But clearly he was against Siri but forced to do what the HC decided. Which got him fired. Same as Patullo.

So how do you turn Siri success into a collapse if Johnson and Hurts were so good? Just one day everyone decided not to play anymore?

34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH please list all the things. How can McKee learn them but Hurts can't??

Really Siri slowed the learning curve and progress…was talking about with Moore …but really applies so much to his entire time here. I understand you take lumps more while learning, progressing and developing. But if you just skip the development…then you face these issues every year and every game.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems like QB play across the room has pretty much gone up and down depending on Siri involvement. They all much weaker the more Siri fingerprints on things. Moore got the best out of Tanner and Pickett. Shew, Mariota…on and on….looked better most of their careers elsewhere besides under Siri.

List how Hurts is redefining leadership at the QB position. You've stated this many times but won't show any reasoning to reach that comclusion

Throw ten interceptions week one….become your best possible team at the end.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

McKee played PS. But what do you have to support your judgement of Tanner week one in a real game?

IDK he has never started week 1. Hurts has multiple times

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK so what's your prediction for this upcoming season. be specific, no general crap(still waiting on the list of how Hurts is redefining leadership (LMAO)

Waiting

36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Neither I nor you know what audible powers were given. You claim you know things there is no way you can know. Mere conjecture. Game winning plays require one thing- EXECUTION. Doesn't matter what you draw up if you can't make the play. Ridiculous BS

I definitely do. Understand you aren’t picking up any details taking place. Under Siri it was pretty much just run the play. Advanced to Siri providing three audible options. Deep, run or screen. I know…because everybody knew it. Our guys actually did do much even with best pro defenders knowing what they were going to do.

38 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Neither I nor you know what audible powers were given. You claim you know things there is no way you can know. Mere conjecture. Game winning plays require one thing- EXECUTION. Doesn't matter what you draw up if you can't make the play. Ridiculous BS

Of course it matters. O mind that’s capable creates matchup issues for the opponent. Huge difference operating with good play versus predictable play the opponent knows presnap.