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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you’re ignoring the words straight out of Parsons mouth? 

Where he said " the numbers will be up to 40 million by then"   it's exactly why I don't think he settles just to pass a WR by a little.   I absolutely think he wants the significance of being at or just under the $40 mil #.

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4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Which were?

Top nonQB pay

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Top nonQB pay

Ego of being top paid nonQB. Now the guaranteed money and what I’m already assuming Jeffersons contract looks like will be more real money than fake BS numbers like The Cheetah got.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Jefferson words out of his mouth were too paid nonQB. Not top paid WR. Same thing Parsons has in his head. If Chase busts through and gets 36 mil he’ll want 37. If Saige busts through to get 41 he’ll want 42. Jefferson and Patson are speaking the exact same words seeming to have the exact same thoughts. They don’t care about position. They both believe they are above being judged positionally(even though both positions are high paying). Both demanding top nonQB pay.

Ok...I'll go slow here so you follow.   Historically the Edge DL has been paid more than the WR.    So ...for JJ to make a statement...he not only wanted to shatter the WR #, but wanted to pass Bosa too.

For Parsons... who plays a position that gets paid more than WR.    Just beating  the top WR isn't making a statement.   

If you are the best Edge...im the best WR... do you think you are OK by just beating me by a little?  When history shows there is a gap there where your position should be paid higher?

I play a lesser paid position and got my deal done a year sooner... you should want to beat me on both counts.  Better position..plus at the higher rates the year after.

It's why he mentioned 40 

The Cheetah as all about ego with him getting 30 mil per season average. Reality when you look at guarantees and contract is 3 year 73 mil. Really just over 24 mil average.

Its a significant statement for a WR to be paid more than the highest paid DL/ Edge. 

JJ wanted that Statement.  

Parsons specifically mentioned 40 mil. That's his statement.   By nature of position and a year after JJ... that's disrespect just barely getting paid higher.  The 40 mil resets the DE/ Edge market...which should be have a nice little gap above the WRs

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok...I'll go slow here so you follow.   Historically the Edge DL has been paid more than the WR.    So ...for JJ to make a statement...he not only wanted to shatter the WR #, but wanted to pass Bosa too.

For Parsons... who plays a position that gets paid more than WR.    Just beating  the top WR isn't making a statement.   

If you are the best Edge...im the best WR... do you think you are OK by just beating me by a little?  When history shows there is a gap there where your position should be paid higher?

I play a lesser paid position and got my deal done a year sooner... you should want to beat me on both counts.  Better position..plus at the higher rates the year after.

It's why he mentioned 40 

So a guy that wants 40 how do you get to sign early? He stated he has no problem being patient waiting for the 40.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The Cheetah as all about ego with him getting 30 mil per season average. Reality when you look at guarantees and contract is 3 year 73 mil. Really just over 24 mil average.

Stick to Parsons...focus here.  Cheetah , Chase, Lamb...those are WRs... not going to matter to Parsons 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So a guy that wants 40 how do you get to sign early? He stated he has no problem being patient waiting for the 40.

Right... follow his whole quote... 

He knows Dallas doesn't have the money to sign him now...can't happen. So he has no choice but to wait.

And so he is ok because his counter is going to be getting the $40 next year when Dallas actually has the ability to do it.

Basically...." hey Jerry...because your bad business decisions are forcing me to wait, I'm going to make you pay"

" let CeeDee get his...let Dak get his" etc...  get it all out of the way..because you are backing up the truck for me!

40 mil

Top paid nonQBs: 

Jefferson 35   Bosa 34

AJ           32.  DTJones 31.7

Amon 30

Cheetah 30

Waddle 28.2  Allen 28.2

                       Burns 28.2

 Adams 28     Watt 28

                     DT Wilkins 27.5

Kupp 26.7

Smitty 25      Garrett 25

 

      

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So a guy that wants 40 how do you get to sign early? He stated he has no problem being patient waiting for the 40.

But...for the point I make about the players absolutely wanting to sign early because in the end they get more cash...where they can't recover by waiting and taking the higher #

Use Parsons as an example. He is making 2.89 mil this year.

Sure he can wait and get paid next year.... but if he played for the Eagles....you think he passes up a $40-50 mil signing bonus now... already putting significant money in his pocket... them also starting the cycle to where he can get the deal redone with a nice big cash influx say after 3 years...like we saw AJ.

You think he could ever make up that cash in the pocket by waiting a year and getting 40 instead of $35 now?  

Again use your simpleton method of $35 vs 40 per for 5 years...you see $25 mil more by waiting... I'm saying he gets 35-45 mil more now... and gets ahead by that much... then redo after 2026 season...so any amount of a higher signing bonus next year...plus a 2026 extra $5 mil in salary...isn't going to make up the difference or even be close....that's without even considering the significant bump again after 2026.

Always better for the player to get paid early.   But if they make you wait...then you make them pay up.  It won't be enough...but it's something. 

Looks to me like WR are very much holding their own as top paid position. You are going to have to adapt with the times. 2024 these are the numbers. Lamb and Chase are the next in line expected to break into this group to add to the WRs case. So might as well just go ahead and consider two more WR at the top of the list.

Lamb 35 mil

Dak 60 mil

Parsons 40 mil.

That's what Jerry is looking at.  But be lost the ability to jump ahead of the game.  Only guy he did it correctly with was Diggs.  

Diggs was drafted after Lamb.  Diggs and Hurts done correctly last year 

Lamb a year too late...and Parsons a year too late...should have been done when we did Smith and Dickerson. 

Because Dallas messed up years ago...they can't get all these guys dome properly...and the cycle continues.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Looks to me like WR are very much holding their own as top paid position. You are going to have to adapt with the times. 2024 these are the numbers. Lamb and Chase are the next in line expected to break into this group to add to the WRs case. So might as well just go ahead and consider two more WR at the top of the list.

Right...because the top edge guys already signed.  Bosa, Watt, the guy in Cleveland.   Parsons is the next guy to reset the market.  To get the edge guys back up significantly over the WRs.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Looks to me like WR are very much holding their own as top paid position. You are going to have to adapt with the times. 2024 these are the numbers. Lamb and Chase are the next in line expected to break into this group to add to the WRs case. So might as well just go ahead and consider two more WR at the top of the list.

Again...you are missing the biggest factor.   Why are the WRs topping the list in 2024?   Because the top edge guys are already signed.... all but the future 40 mil guy down in Dallas.

The biggest factor in all of this is the time frame.  The cap going up significantly each year. 

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Top paid nonQBs: 

Jefferson 35   Bosa 34

AJ           32.  DTJones 31.7

Amon 30

Cheetah 30

Waddle 28.2  Allen 28.2

                       Burns 28.2

 Adams 28     Watt 28

                     DT Wilkins 27.5

Kupp 26.7

Smitty 25      Garrett 25

 

      

What did the list look like in March?   You see the point yet? The timing. This is when the WRs were hitting the market.  

When did the D guys sign?

You keep trying to make an argument like anybody here said the cowboys are doing contracts in a fantastic way. Nobody here ever said that. In fact I don’t recall anybody …anywhere saying that. It’s well known how they are screwing this whole contract situation. At least they got guys playing in contract year situations all the time. I’m actually leaning towards thinking Parsons maybe gets his 40 mil…elsewhere. The only way I see hitting 40 to begin next offseason.

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Top paid nonQBs: 

Jefferson 35   Bosa 34

AJ           32.  DTJones 31.7

Amon 30

Cheetah 30

Waddle 28.2  Allen 28.2

                       Burns 28.2

 Adams 28     Watt 28

                     DT Wilkins 27.5

Kupp 26.7

Smitty 25      Garrett 25

 

      

And look and the last 2.  Smitty and Garrett.  When is Smith going to make $25 mil per? The extension was added to his 5th year....5th year is 2025...that means 25 mil isn't reality until 2026.

When did Garrett start making the $25 mil?

See the difference?

Parsons will have 4 years completed... that $40 mil # will start ASAP. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What did the list look like in March?   You see the point yet? The timing. This is when the WRs were hitting the market.  

When did the D guys sign?

Jones, Allen,Burns and Wilkins signed this offseason

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You keep trying to make an argument like anybody here said the cowboys are doing contracts in a fantastic way. Nobody here ever said that. In fact I don’t recall anybody …anywhere saying that. It’s well known how they are screwing this whole contract situation. At least they got guys playing in contract year situations all the time. I’m actually leaning towards thinking Parsons maybe gets his 40 mil…elsewhere. The only way I see hitting 40 to begin next offseason.

But why do you put any significance in " beginning of the offseason " vs If he gets paid next August?

It's the same as far as cap hit etc. It's being paid starting in 2025 season. 

He will absolutely get paid in Dallas as they control his 5th year.  That gives time to negotiate... just like it's Lamb's 5th year coming up 

But you pointed out just like Parsons did ... the cap opens up for Dallas to pay him next year. Why would they be able to keep Lamb without the cap space but lose Parsons when they have it.

Jerry is paying him $40mil... book it. 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Jones, Allen,Burns and Wilkins signed this offseason

Garrett, Watt, Bosa ..... are market setters....just like Parsons will be.   These guys you mentioned...aren't the market setters. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Garrett, Watt, Bosa ..... are market setters....just like Parsons will be.   These guys you mentioned...aren't the market setters. 

Come on man...you know this. 

But I’m not going as far to say the pass rushers won’t have a comeback. WR market has really blown up though. Whole different world than trying to compare historically. You just know Myles Garrett is frothing at this market after the Jefferson signing.

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