29 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Big high pick Davis is the obvious player to actually bag on. Much more than our QB1. Traded up to take Davis high first round. No production either second half of his first two seasons.

Didn’t our big boy Davis have like 2.5sacks and was actually playing fairly well first half the season he’ll was even one of our highest rated players by PFF through 9 games last year. By all means he needs to get right and finish the season strong but dude is 24 and he has admitted this same sentiment.

Davis is never going to be the player that stuffs the stat sheets he isn’t going to get a ton of sacks…. Davis just needs to take his game to the next level and become a strong run defender.

I also love how Davis production is solely him while other guys on our D you want to blame the coaching for there fall off ??? 

So

Josh Sweat had 43 tackles 6.5 sacks(all of which came in the first 9 games of season)  2.5 tackles of a loss 

Jordan Davis had 45 tackles 2.5 sacks 6 tackles for a loss 

but Sweat fall off is because of the coaches???? But Davis is solely his fault???? 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oh….then you noticed. That’s why I was pointing out it wasn’t that obvious of a player to need to cut ties from. Think No Mas was dogging him. Twenty six year old strong proven pass rusher that does things the right way and stays out of thug life troubles(like the cowboys endless routine). The 4-3 vs 3-4 debate in 2024 is overblown. Either side is preaching some hybrid tendencies. Two gapping versus one gapping is the usual main philosophical and X and O difference. But been trying to point out how for a good amount of time now NFL D consists mostly of Nickel and Dime. Which much of the time consists of four D players placed at the line of scrimmage. Then you have short yardage and goaline stuff. Going jumbo Sweat has his place in those formations. If you have two big bodies between him and the ball he’s a large human to contend with outside of that. Sweat has good reach and hand and arm usage.

He did nothing the last 8 games of the season.  He is like a Dallas player... sucks against the good competition.  Pay attention this year.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To come out and bash Sweat over not producing sacks at the end of the season is just uneducated fan talk. Clearly our D was going through major shifts with the coaching inputs. Desai really needs want doing that bad with his limited roster he was given. But then Patricia was sabotaging and poisoning in Rosie’s ear most likely. We started seeing Reddick out in coverage more. Sweat being used in roles not doing the sexy Qb stat chasing. Carter and the whole D fell off.

Half the season...not just about sacks either.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So

Josh Sweat had 43 tackles 6.5 sacks(all of which came in the first 9 games of season)  2.5 tackles of a loss 

Jordan Davis had 45 tackles 2.5 sacks 6 tackles for a loss 

but Sweat fall off is because of the coaches???? But Davis is solely his fault???? 

💯 

Dallas making moves!!!

Reading up on Sweat situation.... dude taking huge pay cut to stay,really shows his opinion of the organization... owner,GM, coaches etc.

The culture that has been built up for a player in his prime age turning down that money to stay on a team where his role is going to be diminished and have a lesser chance to earn the big money the rest of his career.  

That's a statement to how players feel about playing here.   

8 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

I'd have no problem taking Fields but as you said the price would have to be right

Why would Fields accept BU pay?? I wouldn't if I were him. Just because he had a trash O line in Chicago doesn't mean he can't start somewhere

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thinking they are drafting a TE this year. Could be a real huge two TE set team.

Have one on my mock. Spann-Ford

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sweat was a part of an historic pass risk just two seasons ago you shouldn’t forget. Clearly a player good enough to be a piece of that puzzle.

Historic 🤣

Spann-Ford(TE) I have in round 5 pick 170. Needs coaching(and NFL experience (like everyone),so I think he would be fine competing for TE2 or TE3. See who from that group emerges. I also like Stoll as a blocking TE. He can catch,but he's not great on routes.

I still have Powers Johnson as the 22

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yea I noticed the Eagles opted not to extend him that way more telling they kept he because he took a pay cut to stay. And we likely let him walk next offseason and get a comp pick from him…. Fact is he isn’t a fit under Fangio he is only an above avg. at best pass rusher and a below avg. run defender.

If your going to be an Edge that below avg at defending the run you have to at least be a damn good pass rusher why Reddick got paid… I’d say Sweat is easily a tier below Reddick as a pass rusher. 

Reddick played like a top five defender two seasons ago. So being below that is no shame.

I didn’t see that Sweat took any paycut. Saw other teams league wide were interested in paying him even more. So saw what we did was guarantee him money because he didn’t have much guaranteed money left in his contract.

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Didn’t our big boy Davis have like 2.5sacks and was actually playing fairly well first half the season he’ll was even one of our highest rated players by PFF through 9 games last year. By all means he needs to get right and finish the season strong but dude is 24 and he has admitted this same sentiment.

Davis is never going to be the player that stuffs the stat sheets he isn’t going to get a ton of sacks…. Davis just needs to take his game to the next level and become a strong run defender.

I also love how Davis production is solely him while other guys on our D you want to blame the coaching for there fall off ??? 

Sweat has done way more than Davis. Except Sweat was forced to earn all playing time he ever received.

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Didn’t our big boy Davis have like 2.5sacks and was actually playing fairly well first half the season he’ll was even one of our highest rated players by PFF through 9 games last year. By all means he needs to get right and finish the season strong but dude is 24 and he has admitted this same sentiment.

Davis is never going to be the player that stuffs the stat sheets he isn’t going to get a ton of sacks…. Davis just needs to take his game to the next level and become a strong run defender.

I also love how Davis production is solely him while other guys on our D you want to blame the coaching for there fall off ??? 

Because my thoughts are based on the whole body of work. Several different coaches he’s displayed these same traits.

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So

Josh Sweat had 43 tackles 6.5 sacks(all of which came in the first 9 games of season)  2.5 tackles of a loss 

Jordan Davis had 45 tackles 2.5 sacks 6 tackles for a loss 

but Sweat fall off is because of the coaches???? But Davis is solely his fault???? 

See you point out and see it from my side but not your own.

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Reddick played like a top five defender two seasons ago. So being below that is no shame.

Agree....the play during the 2nd half of the season is where the shame should be. 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

He did nothing the last 8 games of the season.  He is like a Dallas player... sucks against the good competition.  Pay attention this year.

He was ranked fourth in creating Oline holding penalties. That obviously usually is done when a player is beat. Those holds are what the Oline did instead of let him get that clear win towards sacking the QB.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Agree....the play during the 2nd half of the season is where the shame should be. 

By our GM and coaches. Nothing successful was occurring pretty much anywhere consistently.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Agree....the play during the 2nd half of the season is where the shame should be. 

Patricia was doing some really goofy crap. You try and pay attention next time.

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I didn’t see that Sweat took any paycut. Saw other teams league wide were interested in paying him even more. So saw what we did was guarantee him money because he didn’t have much guaranteed money left in his contract.

Yes...taking less pay..  you win the semantics game...  he took less to play here. 

If it was a business decision long term on his part.... then you understand it's why Queen wasn’t going to leave Baltimore last year.

We have record setting pass rush…then a convulted messed up coaching hierarchy clearly derailed all team unity.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He was ranked fourth in creating Oline holding penalties. That obviously usually is done when a player is beat. Those holds are what the Oline did instead of let him get that clear win towards sacking the QB.

Again... similar to Dallas...who dominate the bad competition. Sweat fell off when the competition stepped up. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Reading up on Sweat situation.... dude taking huge pay cut to stay,really shows his opinion of the organization... owner,GM, coaches etc.

The culture that has been built up for a player in his prime age turning down that money to stay on a team where his role is going to be diminished and have a lesser chance to earn the big money the rest of his career.  

That's a statement to how players feel about playing here.   

Fill me in on this huge paycut. Not what I read. But I did read he had larger offers he turned down to stay: