9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sounds like he’s opting out 

Hes right though. Everyone has the right to opt out for their own reason without back lash from the fans. If half our Eagles team opt out, so be it. Yes we will suck but we will still have football and get a chance at finding valued player that would not have been given the chances if this did not happen. But i will not be upset at a player making the best decision for themselves and their family. 

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok on Ruf and Cozens but, Medina, Crawford, Alfaro, Dom Brown and Moniak were all top 50 prospects at one point.  Hoskins at least should be a serviceable 1st basement.  No one expected his initial output to be sustainable, but he's simply lost now.  I am so tired of watching his approach at the plate.  Maybe I am just too old school (shut up @EaglePhan1986) but the new mentality of walk, strikeout or home run drives me nuts.  And he's the poster boy.  He should be driving the ball, not working for a walk or looking for the perfect pitch to get the optimal exit velo.  I really want to punch him in his face.  Only way that guy will get it is if he is buried in the lineup or benched.  Seriously.  I love Quinn, love his speed.  He should be leading off, I don' care what anyone says.  But obviously his durability is a serious liability.  If Girardi rolls out this same ridiculous lineup for weeks on end, I would lose a lot of faith in him.  

I want to say moniak was when he started as a top 50. Feel like that was more cause of where they drafted him then his performance. Crawford imo they were dumb to give up on him so fast. He deserved more time and they rushed to trade for segura. To me that trade at the time on the surface looked good cause segura was a good hitter but there is always a reason teams were willing to trade that type of talent. Imo he’s a guy you can’t win with but talented. He’s a pain in the a** in the clubhouse. 

alfaro i still think winds up being a solid to good catcher. Last year he had flashes with the marlins. Like crawford think the Phillies gave up on him but then again Realmuto is hard to pass up there. Dom 100 percent. Not sure if that was player development or he let the accolades of being top prospect in baseball get to his head and live off that one hit streak. Medina i still always thought he was overrated and i remember Keith law saying he was a gloried no. 3 if things panned out and Phillies overrated him in trade value. 

like Quinn as well. Reminds me of Michael Bourn. However never stays healthy. He starts getting hot then bam hurt. Haseley actually has grown on me. I don’t think he’s a star but you can win with him. Reminds me a lot of Steve Finley back in the day. Not great power but enough but more of a singles and doubles hitter. Has chance to be a good fielder. 
 

The thing that irritated me more which girardi so far is not allowing starters to go deeper when theyre pitching well knowing the bullpen is young and a Dumpster fire. Both wheeler and Nola were under 90 pitches yesterday in a 60 game season. Also McCutchen looks like a shell of himself and Haseley needs to be in the lineup until he cools off. He’s seeing the ball too well to be on the bench for days at a time 

8 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Seams all your posts are pad posts with no real content like this. Id really like to see a post from you that actually has any real value thoughts on the Eagles. Im sure your reply will just be some lame remark like always so ill be sure to ignore it. 

Gee, those PAC-12 players really have a rough life.  That's just Oregon State.  This is why their "demands" fall on so many deaf ears.  I do think there needs to be some wiggle room with being able to profit off themselves however.

 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Gee, those PAC-12 players really have a rough life.  That's just Oregon State.  This is why their "demands" fall on so many deaf ears.  I do think there needs to be some wiggle room with being able to profit off themselves however.

 

The thing that always irritated me when I went to the University of Arizona was football players would go to workouts early in the morning. A lot of them when they would get done would just go to the student union around 830-9 o’clock and sit in the union listening to music and hanging out with all the other athletes until about 2-3 pm (like wouldn’t move tables so after your class you’d go there and they’d be blasting the same music and not moved) then go back to work out/practice. Then go home. It was like that for a bunch of football players everyday. It was bothersome on the grounds of there were students who’d have loved to get that type of scholarship and go to those classes while they had it and didn’t care about the educational aspect.  

Heck had a basketball player in salim stoudamire show up for class ask my friend and i if there was a test and then leave when we said no. Never came back the rest of the semester. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The thing that always irritated me when I went to the University of Arizona was football players would go to workouts early in the morning. A lot of them when they would get done would just go to the student union around 830-9 o’clock and sit in the union listening to music and hanging out with all the other athletes until about 2-3 pm (like wouldn’t move tables so after your class you’d go there and they’d be blasting the same music and not moved) then go back to work out/practice. Then go home. It was like that for a bunch of football players everyday. It was bothersome on the grounds of there were students who’d have loved to get that type of scholarship and go to those classes while they had it and didn’t care about the educational aspect.  

Heck had a basketball player in salim stoudamire show up for class ask my friend and i if there was a test and then leave when we said no. Never came back the rest of the semester. 

I know for a fact that Henry Bibby never went to a class while at UCLA. This was when the sainted John Wooden was the coach and players stayed the full four years. It was a point of pride for him.

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I know for a fact that Henry Bibby never went to a class while at UCLA. This was when the sainted John Wooden was the coach and players stayed the full four years. It was a point of pride for him.

His son mike followed in the footsteps. I know he never went to class as well the entire 2 years he was at Arizona. Only times he was ever on campus were practices and games. 

My thoughts on these Phillies...

They were wise in making the decision to strategically deconstruct their 2008 "dynasty" to recoup as much as they could while they could.   They tried to rebuild from the ground up, which was the right thing to do.

Everything after that was a disaster.  The draft picks were either awful or mismanaged (that's another debate).  The prospects they got in exchange were either awful or mismanaged.  The combined resources they got from selling off the old squad and from their high draft picks were just abysmal.  

Then they build up enough of these resources and decide it's time to go all in with Harper.  Bravo.  They want to win.  It was the right decision and the right thing to do.  And Harper has had nothing but a fantastic attitude while embracing the city, team and fans.  BUT...with the way it's playing out...no....you expect more than a RF hitting .259 and slugging .511 in a bandbox ballpark when you hand out $330m.

The Realmuto trade and pending non-sign was another dilution of resources.  They unload their best pitching prospect in years and a very good starting catcher prospect for a 1.5 year rental while the team was non-competitive.  I don't care if Realmuto is Pudge 2.0, you don't trade your best prospects for a player you can't re-sign.  

And then there is the issue of bringing it home with their prospects.  Nola was the most refined pitcher in the draft when they picked him top 10.  Aside from Nola, they basically haven't seen anyone through from draft/international signing/trade chips, to hype, to refinement, to MLB quality.  They ruined Hoskins.  JP Crawford, Dom Brown, VV.  They completely whiffed #1 overall with Moniak.  Kingery still has time, but he certainly isn't coming into his own as a hitter.

How are we supposed to have any confidence that Bohm/Howard et al are going to turn into MLB building blocks?  They either miss outright, or we see the prospects that do attain hype fall apart.  

 

They have good intentions and tried to rebuild the right way, but it's just time to get new leadership on this team.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My thoughts on these Phillies...

They were wise in making the decision to strategically deconstruct their 2008 "dynasty" to recoup as much as they could while they could.   They tried to rebuild from the ground up, which was the right thing to do.

Everything after that was a disaster.  The draft picks were either awful or mismanaged (that's another debate).  The prospects they got in exchange were either awful or mismanaged.  The combined resources they got from selling off the old squad and from their high draft picks were just abysmal.  

Then they build up enough of these resources and decide it's time to go all in with Harper.  Bravo.  They want to win.  It was the right decision and the right thing to do.  And Harper has had nothing but a fantastic attitude while embracing the city, team and fans.  BUT...with the way it's playing out...no....you expect more than a RF hitting .259 and slugging .511 in a bandbox ballpark when you hand out $330m.

The Realmuto trade and pending non-sign was another dilution of resources.  They unload their best pitching prospect in years and a very good starting catcher prospect for a 1.5 year rental while the team was non-competitive.  I don't care if Realmuto is Pudge 2.0, you don't trade your best prospects for a player you can't re-sign.  

And then there is the issue of bringing it home with their prospects.  Nola was the most refined pitcher in the draft when they picked him top 10.  Aside from Nola, they basically haven't seen anyone through from draft/international signing/trade chips, to hype, to refinement, to MLB quality.  They ruined Hoskins.  JP Crawford, Dom Brown, VV.  They completely whiffed #1 overall with Moniak.  Kingery still has time, but he certainly isn't coming into his own as a hitter.

How are we supposed to have any confidence that Bohm/Howard et al are going to turn into MLB building blocks?  They either miss outright, or we see the prospects that do attain hype fall apart.  

 

They have good intentions and tried to rebuild the right way, but it's just time to get new leadership on this team.

If you think that’s bad look at the sixers over the last 30 years. Been worse then the Phillies imo. Wasted prime years of barkley. And got nothing for him. Got to one finals with iverson. Wasted assets and incompetent ownership during this current run. And really nothing noteworthy in terms of franchise success outside of that one season in 2001. 

Demands of Big 10 athletes sounds reasonable. Tests three times a week, scholarship protections and all medical paid. 

The athletic dorm, back when I was in school in the Dark Ages, was referred to as the Taj Mahal.  The best thing was knowing athletes so you could hang out in their dorm lounge. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If you think that’s bad look at the sixers over the last 30 years. Been worse then the Phillies imo. Wasted prime years of barkley. And got nothing for him. Got to one finals with iverson. Wasted assets and incompetent ownership during this current run. And really nothing noteworthy in terms of franchise success outside of that one season in 2001. 

It could be much, much worse.

The Phillies, recently, have had ownership with both the means and interest in building competitive rosters.  That alone puts them in the top 10-20% of the MLB.  They also tried to take a patient, systematic approach to building a roster.  

That alone should make them one of baseball's finest franchises.  But their execution of this plan and their prospect selection/development have just been so, so bad.

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They waited too long to do this, in hindsight.  

They did...but at least they did it.  Some teams wouldn't even have made the shift.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It could be much, much worse.

The Phillies, recently, have had ownership with both the means and interest in building competitive rosters.  That alone puts them in the top 10-20% of the MLB.  They also tried to take a patient, systematic approach to building a roster.  

That alone should make them one of baseball's finest franchises.  But their execution of this plan and their prospect selection/development have just been so, so bad.

 

 100% agree.

Still think the sixers organization as a whole has been the worse run franchise in Philadelphia in the 3 decades I’ve been alive. Phillies aren’t far behind. if they didn’t have the run they did in the mid 2000s to 2011 they would be. Honestly it’s depressing cause i don’t see either being anywhere close to a title. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If you think that’s bad look at the sixers over the last 30 years. Been worse then the Phillies imo. Wasted prime years of barkley. And got nothing for him. Got to one finals with iverson. Wasted assets and incompetent ownership during this current run. And really nothing noteworthy in terms of franchise success outside of that one season in 2001. 

The fact that the best they could do for Iverson was an over the hill Mutumbo is horrible.  Granted AI was selfish but he needed support.  Snow, Lynch, Ratliff, McKee all made for good underdog stories but my goodness you have a game changing, once in a generation talent in AI and you give him squat.  

Who had it worse with a surrounding cast, AI or DMac?

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The fact that the best they could do for Iverson was an over the hill Mutumbo is horrible.  Granted AI was selfish but he needed support.  Snow, Lynch, Ratliff, McKee all made for good underdog stories but my goodness you have a game changing, once in a generation talent in AI and you give him squat.  

Who had it worse with a surrounding cast, AI or DMac?

They also took Larry Hughes over Paul Pierce really hurt us. And it was cause Larry brown promised Hughes he’d take him if he was there even though pierce had proven to be the better player in college and still had tremendous upside 

AI. Mcnabb still had a great Oline, good running backs and the eagles defense the first 5-6 years of his career was really good. Like the 2001 eagles didn’t give up over 21 points all regular season and in 19 games gave it up once to the greatest show on turf. 

Question/thoughts about the NCAA player salaries, which I have not fully educated myself on...

My political preconceptions, at various times, have both sides of this debate.  These athletes have it really good, so their plight doesn't resonate.  But...they are key cogs in a very, very lucrative business, so I also understand their claim to some of that $$$.  

Regardless of what is fair/deserved, D1 universities will have to carefully define and review the accounting of this.  Many of these schools rely on football revenue to keep other departments and programs afloat.  Will less money be reinvested in the university and more stay in the football programs to pay players?   You can argue that's fair anyway, since it's football revenue, but it will have consequences.  The money going to players needs to come from somewhere.  

I'd be inclined simply allow them to market themselves with endorsements however they wish.  Of course, that only benefits the 1% of marketable NCAA athletes who already had a ton of pro money coming their way anyway...but that's the group that is lobbying the hardest for this.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They also took Larry Hughes over Paul Pierce really hurt us. And it was cause Larry brown promised Hughes he’d take him if he was there even though pierce had proven to be the better player in college and still had tremendous upside 

Yikes forgot about that.  Then there was the Sam Dalambert pick.  Pretty much equivalent to John Harris for the Eagles.  They got rid of Lou Williams and look at what he's become.  Ugh, I'm glad we have Super Bowl 52 because we are just a tortured fan base.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The fact that the best they could do for Iverson was an over the hill Mutumbo is horrible.  Granted AI was selfish but he needed support.  Snow, Lynch, Ratliff, McKee all made for good underdog stories but my goodness you have a game changing, once in a generation talent in AI and you give him squat.  

Who had it worse with a surrounding cast, AI or DMac?

AI and it's not close.

Mcnabb had a top 3 defense on the other side of the ball, the best OL in the NFL, pro-bowl TEs, and horrible WRs...for 5 years.  Then he had all that and very good WRs for the balance of his career.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

AI and it's not close.

Mcnabb had a top 3 defense on the other side of the ball, the best OL in the NFL, pro-bowl TEs, and horrible WRs...for 5 years.  Then he had all that and very good WRs for the balance of his career.

McNabb also had Duce and then Westbrook with a little Buck sprinkled in.  All were good at Pass Pro.  

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yikes forgot about that.  Then there was the Sam Dalambert pick.  Pretty much equivalent to John Harris for the Eagles.  They got rid of Lou Williams and look at what he's become.  Ugh, I'm glad we have Super Bowl 52 because we are just a tortured fan base.

Eh dalembert wasn’t great but jon harris basically never did anything. Dalembert was actually a legit player in the nba and had a nice career. 13 years in the nba for the 26th overall pick is solid. In that draft there were only 2 players taken after him that were starters in the nba: arenas and Parker. Everyone else never did anything or bench guys. 
 

honestly go look at the 76ers trades of star players (or close to it) since they traded Barkley. Almost every time they’ve traded a star player they’ve not gotten anything close to what they should’ve and even more so they’ve gotten Mostly trash for them. Barkley, iverson, iguodala they got little back  Best player they got back in any of those deals was Andre Miller. It’s why i don’t trust the organization to just trade Simmons or embiid. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh dalembert wasn’t great but jon harris basically never did anything. Dalembert was actually a legit player in the nba and had a nice career. 13 years in the nba for the 26th overall pick is solid. In that draft there were only 2 players taken after him that were starters in the nba: arenas and Parker. Everyone else never did anything or bench guys. 
 

honestly go look at the 76ers trade since they traded Barkley. Almost every time they’ve traded a star player they’ve not gotten anything close to what they should’ve and even more so they’ve gotten trash for them. Barkley, iverson, iguodala they got little back  Best player they got back in any of those deals was Andre Miller. It’s why i don’t trust the organization to just trade Simmons or embiid. 

I had no idea Sam was in the league for 13 years.  Good for him.  Man, remember the Eagles trying to sell Jon Harris as the next Too Tall Jones.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I had no idea Sam was in the league for 13 years.  Good for him.  Man, remember the Eagles trying to sell Jon Harris as the next Too Tall Jones.

Would be an interesting poll to see which eagles selection in each round of the draft was the worst pick over the last 30 years. Harris is definitely up there. Marcus smith is up there. Holmes, Williams and Watkins for the first round. 

Good work up by Kempski.  Note the fumbles work up. Watch the video.   Carson can and must do better on these.  A,couple,of these are on Kelce.  Carson needs to know when to take the sack  

https://www.phillyvoice.com/look-carson-wentzs-red-zone-and-third-efficiency-explosive-plays-fumbles/

The other bad thing about Larry Hughes is that they traded him.  And then he became a nice 2nd scoring option for teams which would have been great to have.  We're never had anything equivalent to Hughes on our roster with Iverson.

That's a bad pick compared to Pierce, but it actually woulda been nice to have him. 

 

Dalembert was a rebounding,  shot blocking machine.  He just had horrible IQ. And, thought he had guard skills, and couldn't catch a basketball. 

He could have averaged a bunch more ppg if he didn't lose precious seconds double catching a ball, or actually having to pick it up off the floor,  allowing defenders to recover and D up. His flaws annoyed me to the point of hating him eventually but he wasn't horrible as he ends up being remembered.

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s why i don’t trust the organization to just trade Simmons or embiid. 

Those trades never work out for the dealing team.  Look at the Pelicans and Davis.  3 first round picks that will be meaningless.  Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart.  Sounds like a haul, but that's a lot of dilution there.

And Simmons/Embiid won't fetch anything near that.  They'll be lucky to get 1 quality starter.  They could probably trade Simmons for a 1-dimensional player with a nice shot to complement Embiid...that MIGHT marginally improve the team.  Either way, the ingredients for a title aren't going to be there.

IMO...in football and baseball...it's easier to cash out of stars for future resources in quality prospects and draft picks.  In basketball, stars only get traded to good teams for meaningless draft picks and flawed young players without much upside.