13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No one has won by wasting a 2nd round pick on a project QB and then force feeding him in for a few plays to save face.  We used Vick briefly in that role until he was ready.  N.O. uses their back up project QB in that role and it hasn't gotten them to the SB.  The Wildcat was a fad for a few years over a decade ago and it got Miami a WC birth but that's it.  Drafting well, being a sound football team with great heatlhy QB, good lines and speed on the outside is what wins today.  Not a gadget player for 5 plays.  

That is a very myopic and risk averse mindset.

Teams win and many different ways. The best teams are those that experiment with different personnel to exploit match ups and confuse the opponent.

I loved the Dallas Goedert pick because while he was firmly behind Ertz in the line up, having the two of them on the field at once became a pick your poison for underneath routes. Nobody else in the NFL has a dual threat at TE like the Eagles do and it helps exploit those matchups. Dallas Goedert was a second round pick that only was targeted 3 times per game in his rookie season.

The Hurts pick may end up being a great pick or a wasted 2nd round. I give them credit for trying something different to be ahead of the rest of the league then doing the same old nonsense. This has been Doug's MO since he came here and I am thankful for it.

41 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd prefer if that player is warm rather than what we saw with McCown last year.

McCown played half a game with a torn hamstring.  The man was a warrior.  

Hurts pick and McCown staying #2 over Sudfeld says a bit about whether Sudfeld is a true #2.  He isn’t. While I expect Hurts to take the #2 role rather quickly in the season, I doubt we see many packages for him, if any.  Too much risk with Hurts and Wentz on the field at the same time and both getting hurt on the same play.  

Speaking of which, the active list goes to 47, 48 if there are eight active OL.  (Last year the Eagles tended to activate seven OL.)  So figure an extra OL and one other active player.  While I think who is banged up may influence that other player, I wonder if the Seattle playoff game influences the Eagles to activate the third QB in crucial games. 

2 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

That is a very myopic and risk averse mindset.

Teams win and many different ways. The best teams are those that experiment with different personnel to exploit match ups and confuse the opponent.

I loved the Dallas Goedert pick because while he was firmly behind Ertz in the line up, having the two of them on the field at once became a pick your poison for underneath routes. Nobody else in the NFL has a dual threat at TE like the Eagles do and it helps exploit those matchups. Dallas Goedert was a second round pick that only was targeted 3 times per game in his rookie season.

The Hurts pick may end up being a great pick or a wasted 2nd round. I give them credit for trying something different to be ahead of the rest of the league then doing the same old nonsense. This has been Doug's MO since he came here and I am thankful for it.

Next year they will draft a punter in the first round. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

Next year they will draft a punter in the first round. 

Can we wait until after the season for the obligatory "eagles can’t draft etc etc” posts 

16 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Can we wait until after the season for the obligatory "eagles can’t draft etc etc” posts 

I am just trying to talk football.  

20 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

That is a very myopic and risk averse mindset.

Teams win and many different ways. The best teams are those that experiment with different personnel to exploit match ups and confuse the opponent.

I loved the Dallas Goedert pick because while he was firmly behind Ertz in the line up, having the two of them on the field at once became a pick your poison for underneath routes. Nobody else in the NFL has a dual threat at TE like the Eagles do and it helps exploit those matchups. Dallas Goedert was a second round pick that only was targeted 3 times per game in his rookie season.

The Hurts pick may end up being a great pick or a wasted 2nd round. I give them credit for trying something different to be ahead of the rest of the league then doing the same old nonsense. This has been Doug's MO since he came here and I am thankful for it.

I come from the school of thought where a 2nd and 3rd round pick should be borderline starters or at least 1st year contributors.  To use a 2nd round pick on a 3rd string quarterback/gadget player is a wasted pick any way you look at it.  Using a 3rd round pick on a tweener linebacker who has to learn how to play the position is another wasted pick.  Taylor is a ST player at best this year.  We already went down the Mack Hollins road. 

You want a gadget player at quarterback, put Greg Ward in the backfield and utilize his quarterback background.  At least that's more disguised.  You can motion him from the slot in to the backfield and that will catch a defense off guard.  If a defense sees Hurts coming in they know to be alert.  It's not a recipe for success.

I love our rookies this year. I can’t wait to see them play...

 

 

 

 

in 2021.

48 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No one has won by wasting a 2nd round pick on a project QB and then force feeding him in for a few plays to save face.  We used Vick briefly in that role until he was ready.  N.O. uses their back up project QB in that role and it hasn't gotten them to the SB.  The Wildcat was a fad for a few years over a decade ago and it got Miami a WC birth but that's it.  Drafting well, being a sound football team with great heatlhy QB, good lines and speed on the outside is what wins today.  Not a gadget player for 5 plays.  

Spelling aside, that's the crux of the thing, which you are side-stepping here. Had we a healthy back-up QB with some competence I firmly believe we would have beaten Seattle. As @pallidrone said, yours is a very risk-averse attitude. Actually not. You're assuming Wentz stays healthy all year and through the playoffs, which he has yet to do. All your eggs are in his basket. As @BigEFly suggested, not dressing Sudfield was hardly a vote of confidence. Foles won us a Super Bowl and there are at least half a dozen other back-up QBs who did it as well. It may be that Hurts never plays and we can all bemoan the "wasted" 2nd round pick, but it may also transpire that we will need him at some point. Should he perform well, as I expect he will, then the pick is worthy.

dark horse picks people?

Hightower is one for me. I think we will see immediately he can play and JJAW will continue to suck

 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Spelling aside, that's the crux of the thing, which you are side-stepping here. Had we a healthy back-up QB with some competence I firmly believe we would have beaten Seattle. As @pallidrone said, yours is a very risk-averse attitude. Actually not. You're assuming Wentz stays healthy all year and through the playoffs, which he has yet to do. All your eggs are in his basket. As @BigEFly suggested, not dressing Sudfield was hardly a vote of confidence. Foles won us a Super Bowl and there are at least half a dozen other back-up QBs who did it as well. It may be that Hurts never plays and we can all bemoan the "wasted" 2nd round pick, but it may also transpire that we will need him at some point. Should he perform well, as I expect he will, then the pick is worthy.

those vet backups are available every year, though, as FAs with zero opportunity cost sans the cap hit

the second round pick is a HUGE opportunity cost. Hell, Epenesa went next pick and would have been a far better use of draft capital, not that I particularly love his game. Fulton would have been a great pick there too, even as I wanted Mims but doubt he was on their board after his bizarre nonsense

In another discussion someone asked if a player opts out can they later opt back in.

Does anyone know the answer?

20 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

McCown played half a game with a torn hamstring.  The man was a warrior.  

Hurts pick and McCown staying #2 over Sudfeld says a bit about whether Sudfeld is a true #2.  He isn’t. While I expect Hurts to take the #2 role rather quickly in the season, I doubt we see many packages for him, if any.  Too much risk with Hurts and Wentz on the field at the same time and both getting hurt on the same play.  

Speaking of which, the active list goes to 47, 48 if there are eight active OL.  (Last year the Eagles tended to activate seven OL.)  So figure an extra OL and one other active player.  While I think who is banged up may influence that other player, I wonder if the Seattle playoff game influences the Eagles to activate the third QB in crucial games. 

I think Sudfield starts as the number 2 and I would not be surprised if Hurts is active on game days. 

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

You could be 18 for all I know ,if you are ignore my criticism but , if you're a grown man ,start behaving as such.

Maybe stop talking to people like they're your 5 year old nephew.  That would help.  

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think Sudfield starts as the number 2 and I would not be surprised if Hurts is active on game days. 

Proclaiming to be a QB Factory and only dressing 2 on game day would be antithetical.

 

10 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

In another discussion someone asked if a player opts out can they later opt back in.

Does anyone know the answer?

No. Its final

25 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

In another discussion someone asked if a player opts out can they later opt back in.

Does anyone know the answer?

No, they can't opt in after opting out. 

22 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

those vet backups are available every year, though, as FAs with zero opportunity cost sans the cap hit

the second round pick is a HUGE opportunity cost. Hell, Epenesa went next pick and would have been a far better use of draft capital, not that I particularly love his game. Fulton would have been a great pick there too, even as I wanted Mims but doubt he was on their board after his bizarre nonsense

Ah, but there is  the cap hit and no getting around it. We can't just cavalierly shrug it off. At best this guy would be a bandaid. Hurts, IF IF IF the Eagles are right about him, is at minimum a quality backup for four years. I give you no argument about Epenesa, a nice player, even if he's from Iowa. Yes, I would have been OK with him as the pick, though I think he's not dynamic enough to be a great pass rusher, a solid 4-5 sacks a year DE, but I understand why the Eagles went with Hurts. Hurts can go from worthless to invaluable in one play.

I'm going to be stubborn and hate the pick for awhile unless he specially wins us a game 🤷‍♂️

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

So just Mailata and Doug at this point.  Doug is in his fifties.  Wonder if he is experiencing symptoms. 

Doug did an interview maybe last week and said he felt fine. Not sure about now though

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

McCown played half a game with a torn hamstring.  The man was a warrior.  

Hurts pick and McCown staying #2 over Sudfeld says a bit about whether Sudfeld is a true #2.  He isn’t. While I expect Hurts to take the #2 role rather quickly in the season, I doubt we see many packages for him, if any.  Too much risk with Hurts and Wentz on the field at the same time and both getting hurt on the same play.  

Speaking of which, the active list goes to 47, 48 if there are eight active OL.  (Last year the Eagles tended to activate seven OL.)  So figure an extra OL and one other active player.  While I think who is banged up may influence that other player, I wonder if the Seattle playoff game influences the Eagles to activate the third QB in crucial games. 

McCown has a lot of respect from me. He soldiered through the injury. If he was healthy then I firmly believe we would have won the game

27 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

those vet backups are available every year, though, as FAs with zero opportunity cost sans the cap hit

the second round pick is a HUGE opportunity cost. Hell, Epenesa went next pick and would have been a far better use of draft capital, not that I particularly love his game. Fulton would have been a great pick there too, even as I wanted Mims but doubt he was on their board after his bizarre nonsense

Jeremy Chinn would have been a good pick.  The problem with Hurts is that the only way he has value is in a divisive manner which has a likelihood of negatively impacting Wentz.  If Hurts gets playing time during the season, it is due to a Wentz injury.  If he plays well, it will undoubtedly create some sort of controversy.  I mean he could look good in a pre-season game and it would create that controversy.  Like it or not the Eagles will likely face a question of keeping Wentz or Hurts at some point while they are both under contract.  I don't see how that benefits the team.  While there's an outside chance that having Hurts could help them in terms of a back up QB that costs less than a veteran and provides a better chance at winning games,  I don't think that's a good use of a 2nd round pick.  

40 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

those vet backups are available every year, though, as FAs with zero opportunity cost sans the cap hit

the second round pick is a HUGE opportunity cost. Hell, Epenesa went next pick and would have been a far better use of draft capital, not that I particularly love his game. Fulton would have been a great pick there too, even as I wanted Mims but doubt he was on their board after his bizarre nonsense

Exactly how I view it.  You can get a vet backup on a 1-2 year deal every year.  

I wanted Epenesa.  He's going to be a steady starter in the league for 10 years.  

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Spelling  Got it.

 

But that isn't the topic that was brought up and not the one I was replying too.  It was mentioned that some are excited to see Hurts come in for 5-6 plays to do something different.  Suggesting it would be some sort of SLASH type role or ........ GASP......at QB while putting Carson on the bench.  And the one poster mentioned you win by doing different things yada yada yada (sp?).  I quickly denounced that notion because teams don't win by bringing in gadget back up QB's to keep the other team guessing.  That's not a sound strategy.  It was never about Hurts possibly having to come in and play QB because Wentz got hurt AGAIN!  That is a different discussion all together.  And one I would gladly argue, because if we were so concerned with Wentz as a long term solution then we shouldn't have extended him in the first place.  It shouldn't take a dirty hit by Clowney to shed light on that notion.  But if we were going to hedge our bets at the QB spot, I would hope our brain trust would see that Hurts isn't that guy.  He won't be ready.  But again, it's not what I was replying to.  

Sorry if I misunderstood you. I certainly agree that I don't see Hurts as a gadget guy. Not at all and I don't want him to be. OTOH, I don't see why Hurts can't be the guy, given some time. Not that I want him to be, mind you. I want him to be a wasted second round pick.

10 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Ah, but there is  the cap hit and no getting around it. We can't just cavalierly shrug it off. At best this guy would be a bandaid. Hurts, IF IF IF the Eagles are right about him, is at minimum a quality backup for four years. I give you no argument about Epenesa, a nice player, even if he's from Iowa. Yes, I would have been OK with him as the pick, though I think he's not dynamic enough to be a great pass rusher, a solid 4-5 sacks a year DE, but I understand why the Eagles went with Hurts. Hurts can go from worthless to invaluable in one play.

that banks on hitting on the QB, though. Hurts wasnt a second rounder to most people for a reason. He has serious shortcomings in his game that will need to be addressed.

pick 199 can go from worthless to GOAT, too. but you are essentially arguing for buying a lottery ticket here

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not sure if this gem was already posted. 
 

I see that it comes with the sock installed - an important convenience for Cowboy fans.

Kempski just did 3 trades that make sense.  I really like the first one.  Jaylen Samuels is a Swiss Army Knife at running back.  I'd give Avery for him in a heartbeat.  I don't like the others he proposes.

 

https://www.phillyvoice.com/three-trades-make-sense-eagles/

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Ah, but there is  the cap hit and no getting around it. We can't just cavalierly shrug it off. At best this guy would be a bandaid. Hurts, IF IF IF the Eagles are right about him, is at minimum a quality backup for four years. I give you no argument about Epenesa, a nice player, even if he's from Iowa. Yes, I would have been OK with him as the pick, though I think he's not dynamic enough to be a great pass rusher, a solid 4-5 sacks a year DE, but I understand why the Eagles went with Hurts. Hurts can go from worthless to invaluable in one play.

What is the average cost of a veteran starter at any other position? I mean for starting safety, it looks like they average is somewhere close to $6 or $7 million.  Andy Dalton is getting $3,000, 000 this season.