Jones may be a fine choice but you can't clean house of the old Flyers legends to bring in Briere as your GM and Jones as your President and act like it isn't going to head in the same direction it was going with Holmgren and Clarke.  

26 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You can't even make this stuff up at this point.  A sensible organization would interview and hire candidates from successful organizations, with proven accomplishments of contributing to championships.

...... or they could just hire some guy they've seen talking about hockey on TV.

You make good points. To be honest, the only reason I follow this team anymore is out of morbid curiosity. I don't have any faith they can turn this franchise into a Cup contender before 2030. Hopefully they prove us all wrong. 

At least briere is from this millenia and understands how the game is played now, and Jonesy has been watching this team get outclassed for years and knows that the way they've been built is not the way to win anymore. Not gonna say they're great hires but they should at least bring some semblance of modern thinking to the table. Especially briere considering he was a smaller skilled forward that has become more of the norm 

34 minutes ago, devpool said:

At least briere is from this millenia and understands how the game is played now, and Jonesy has been watching this team get outclassed for years and knows that the way they've been built is not the way to win anymore. Not gonna say they're great hires but they should at least bring some semblance of modern thinking to the table. Especially briere considering he was a smaller skilled forward that has become more of the norm 

I can’t get over the nepotism. The fact they hired Keith Jones just puts it over the top for me. Same as it ever was with this organization.

 

17 hours ago, Blazehound said:

I can’t get over the nepotism. The fact they hired Keith Jones just puts it over the top for me. Same as it ever was with this organization.

 

you have to understand that even if you hire assistants from great teams like carolina, colorado, tampa, it doesnt mean you are getting that model or that person you are expecting that's going to work with you, there is reasons why they havent been hired by other teams plus look what happened when we hired hextall wasnt the same model as LA, refused to listen anyone, that's why he got canned from pittsburgh, you cant assume you are getting that guy because he was an assistant from a cup contending team or won a cup, fans read too much into that and not person you are hiring which is most important thing.

Interesting hire in Jones.

Feels like when they hired the College Coach to be the HC — something ‘out of the box’.

Hope it works out for them. 

There's some good info in this article.  Naturally the Flyers draft 7th in a draft featuring apparently 5 franchise players.

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Winners

Top 5 Teams

Of course, Connor Bedard is the headliner of the draft class, and rightfully so. He is incredibly talented and can change the NHL However, not only he in this class can change a franchise. The top five projected picks are all potential NHL franchise players, too, and if you are Anaheim, Columbus, San Jose or Montreal, you are satisfied with what went down.

 

 

https://oilersnation.com/news/edmonton-oilers-take-another-step-back-in-game-3-loss

I have no faith in the Flyers to rebuild through the draft, given their terrible draft history over the past 10 years or so.  They may need to explore a couple of trades with motivated buyers/sellers.  I'll propose one:

The Maple Leafs underperformed in the playoffs (again) and are looking to sake things up.  I have no interest in acquiring any 30+ players, but Mitch Marner could be a solid fit and building block in Philly.  He costs a big salary at $10.9M per season but I think he's their best asset available.  I'd call Dubas and suggest:

To Philly -- Mitch Marner (26) and making $10.9M per season, under contract for two more seasons

To Toronto -- Kevin Hayes (31) and making $7.1M per season, under contract for three more seasons

                     Rasmus Ristolainen (28) and making $5.1M per season, under contract for the next four seasons

                     a future 2nd round draft pick

On 5/17/2023 at 5:36 AM, Alphagrand said:

I have no faith in the Flyers to rebuild through the draft, given their terrible draft history over the past 10 years or so.  They may need to explore a couple of trades with motivated buyers/sellers.  I'll propose one:

The Maple Leafs underperformed in the playoffs (again) and are looking to sake things up.  I have no interest in acquiring any 30+ players, but Mitch Marner could be a solid fit and building block in Philly.  He costs a big salary at $10.9M per season but I think he's their best asset available.  I'd call Dubas and suggest:

To Philly -- Mitch Marner (26) and making $10.9M per season, under contract for two more seasons

To Toronto -- Kevin Hayes (31) and making $7.1M per season, under contract for three more seasons

                     Rasmus Ristolainen (28) and making $5.1M per season, under contract for the next four seasons

                     a future 2nd round draft pick

The leafs would never, nor should they. That's a horrendous return for marner. An awful defenseman, an old mediocre center, and only a 2nd round pick? I would love that for the flyers but there is no earthly way the leafs take that. They might shake things up but they're not tanking 

Already a mis-step from Briere.  Any questions about trading Carter Hart should be met with a flat "No":

 

The new general manager of the Philadelphia Flyers, Daniel Briere, has acknowledged the possibility that goaltender Carter Hart may be on the move this summer. 

Philadelphia Hockey Now's Chuck Bausman relayed a quote Briere made on Philadelphia's 94.1 WIP regarding his No. 1 goalie.

"Most likely, Carter will be our goalie for the future, but I’m not in a position to turn down anything," Briere said. "I have to listen.”

On 5/29/2023 at 6:29 AM, Alphagrand said:

Already a mis-step from Briere.  Any questions about trading Carter Hart should be met with a flat "No":

 

The new general manager of the Philadelphia Flyers, Daniel Briere, has acknowledged the possibility that goaltender Carter Hart may be on the move this summer. 

Philadelphia Hockey Now's Chuck Bausman relayed a quote Briere made on Philadelphia's 94.1 WIP regarding his No. 1 goalie.

"Most likely, Carter will be our goalie for the future, but I’m not in a position to turn down anything," Briere said. "I have to listen.”

You have to listen. This would never ever happen, but if edmonton offered 5 first round picks and McDavid you make that deal. No team will offer what the flyers would likely want in return so that's why he said "most likely". GMs in every sport say this, this isn't a misstep at all.

4 hours ago, devpool said:

You have to listen. This would never ever happen, but if edmonton offered 5 first round picks and McDavid you make that deal. No team will offer what the flyers would likely want in return so that's why he said "most likely". GMs in every sport say this, this isn't a misstep at all.

I'll be sure to tag your post when that happens.

Even if they are open to moving Hart, which would be an egregious error -- you get the best return for an asset if you represent to the market that asset is invaluable and not for sale.  Once you put it out there as available it attracts low-ball offers, builds momentum to the point you convince yourself you're getting fair market for the best of these bad offers.  Not to mention we're talking about a human being, who also becomes attached to the idea of moving on once he understands he's being shopped.

Carter Hart is a building block piece who still isn't 25 yet; two top 10 picks wouldn't even be adequate trade value. 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I'll be sure to tag your post when that happens.

Even if they are open to moving Hart, which would be an egregious error -- you get the best return for an asset if you represent to the market that asset is invaluable and not for sale.  Once you put it out there as available it attracts low-ball offers, builds momentum to the point you convince yourself you're getting fair market for the best of these bad offers.  Not to mention we're talking about a human being, who also becomes attached to the idea of moving on once he understands he's being shopped.

Carter Hart is a building block piece who still isn't 25 yet; two top 10 picks wouldn't even be adequate trade value. 

Please re-read the 6 words immediately preceding your highlight.

If you represent that an asset is off the market and unavailable, you're not going to get a single offer. Why would a team bother calling if they know the phone is off the hook? You're being ridiculous, this is nothing new in the world of sports.

Also, Hart is not being shopped. That indicates the team is initiating the talks. Hayes is being shopped, JvR was shopped at the TDL. That is not what is happening here. Hart isn't on the block, they're not actively reaching out to teams to trade him. 

I wouldn't trade Hart either, and Briere is not Fletcher. He's not going to give away a goalie for nothing. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Not even a molehill, more like a small pile of sand that comes out of your shorts after a day at the beach.

I think Kyle Dubas is a really good hire for the Pens; I'd have been happy if the Flyers had hired him instead of Keith Jones -- too bad he came available a couple of weeks too late.  Flyers continue to make bad choices, Pens continue to make good ones -- and the Leafs continue to be what they've always been .... dysfunctional.  That turd Shanahan should lose his job if Dubas succeeds in PIT:

 

 

Look forward to when we don’t have a goaltender for another 30 years

 

Trading Hart is Fing idiotic unless the return is enormous, like bona-fide top pairing D and high end picks enormous 

Quite a haul for Provy.  Don’t love the idea of trading Hart but if they are going to do a legit rebuild might not be a terrible idea.

Glad they got rid of Provorov and if they trade Hart, so be it. By the time this team is good again, Hart will be older and up for a huge contract anyway. Let some other team overpay. Hart isn't and shouldn't be some untouchable player. While he has been a good goalie, he isn't a Vezina winning goalie either. It looks like he holds value around the league which is good. I'm not saying trade him for peanuts, but if you can get multiple first round picks for him, or maybe a first and a high end prospect, then you absolutely deal him.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Look forward to when we don’t have a goaltender for another 30 years

 

Wow -- this has the potential to be an awful trade.  I'm not afraid to admit I'm out of touch with the NHL to the point I've never heard of either of these guys until 10 minutes ago. 

Peterson is going to be 29 years old later this year, and has played in 101 games in 5 years??  Doesn't sound like a starting goaltender to me, yet he's making $5M per season .... fantastic.

Walker is worth anywhere from 3-5 goals per year, so unless he's a brick wall defensively I'm not sure of his upside.  Apparently he was on their third defense pairing this season -- sounds great.  AND he's on an expiring contract.

 

Summary -- Flyers trade a pretty good player for two somewhat crappy players, didn't get any younger, and didn't save any money.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Wow -- this has the potential to be an awful trade.  I'm not afraid to admit I'm out of touch with the NHL to the point I've never heard of either of these guys until 10 minutes ago. 

Peterson is going to be 29 years old later this year, and has played in 101 games in 5 years??  Doesn't sound like a starting goaltender to me, yet he's making $5M per season .... fantastic.

Walker is worth anywhere from 3-5 goals per year, so unless he's a brick wall defensively I'm not sure of his upside.  Apparently he was on their third defense pairing this season -- sounds great.  AND he's on an expiring contract.

 

Summary -- Flyers trade a pretty good player for two somewhat crappy players, didn't get any younger, and didn't save any money.

They got a 1st, 2 2nds along with a prospect.  Pretty good haul.

Not sure which player is overhyped in this city more Hoskins or Hart, both are painfully average, that being said this cal petersen is average also

1 minute ago, GoEagles5921 said:

They got a 1st, 2 2nds along with a prospect.  Pretty good haul.

Yep, that's pretty damn good. Just think, they got all of that for Provorov and yet Fletcher couldn't trade JVR on an expiring contract at the trade deadline. Just an awful GM in every way. 

2 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

They got a 1st, 2 2nds along with a prospect.  Pretty good haul.

Did they?  Okay, at least that makes a little bit of sense.  Now, if only the Flyers could draft.  Crossing my fingers Briere hires some good personnel people.

9 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

They got a 1st, 2 2nds along with a prospect.  Pretty good haul.

I have less of an issue with the Provorov trade. They got draft picks, which is what they want in a rebuild and they got a prospect. The two NHL players that they both aren’t very good. I think one of them is getting bought out. The bigger issue to me is trading Carter Hart. He’s 24 years old. Even if you do a rebuild, it takes 3 to 4 years, he is still in his prime when you’re getting out of that rebuild.

Add on it makes you have to go find another goalie. Which hasn’t been the strong suit for the Flyers. This could potentially be disastrous. If you trade him somewhere, and they have good talent around him, he might become what you thought he would ultimately become. And if that happens, then it looks even worse.