12 minutes ago, TEW said:

Agreed.

Aikman didn’t have gaudy stats, but anyone who watched him play could see he was elite.

I've long said that Hurts is extremely accurate when throwing in rhythm. The problem is Hurts has composure issues in the pocket. 

100% agree although to be fair Hurts has been much better this year in the pocket.  He doesn't simply immediately go back and to the right.  The next step in my mind is for him to start to figure out how and when to just throw it away instead of taking a sack.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Said it before...will say it again....out of Becton, Williams, Baun and Sweat.....would love to keep 'em all but that won't be possible.  So the only two that are mandatory are Baun and Williams.  Becton is awesome, would love to keep but I have a feeling he is going to get PAID....and you have Tyler Steen in house.  And Sweat, well on those knees, at his age....again, would love to keep but no.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

My bet is Williams is the odd guy out when Howie prioritizes Becton and Baun.  Williams may end up being a great player but hard to tell at this point given the huge advantage he gets being next to Carter.  I bet Howie will end up thinking he can find another DT who can succeed next to Carter and spend the money elsewhere.

Just now, NYEagle said:

Said it before...will say it again....out of Becton, Williams, Baun and Sweat.....would love to keep 'em all but that won't be possible.  So the only two that are mandatory are Baun and Williams.  Becton is awesome, would love to keep but I have a feeling he is going to get PAID....and you have Tyler Steen in house.  And Sweat, well on those knees, at his age....again, would love to keep but no.

Disagree.  Becton over Williams for sure the way I see it.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Man, I was a HUGE Cine fan. Would love to see this guy figure it out here.

I know they are different types of DT's but Williams frequently gets compared to Alim McNeil due to draft positioning and the whole Donahue fist bump thing. I would say McNeil is the better player but if Williams is near the ball park of 4 years $97M that McNeil got, take the comp pick. 

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Disagree.  Becton over Williams for sure the way I see it.

Nope...with Steen in house, and having Stoutland around....I am more confident in them making the O-line work without Becton than I am having the Eagles try to make the D-line work without Williams.  Additionally, there is going to come a decision in regards to Jordan Davis......if you have Williams, you can let Davis walk (if he can't be resigned)....if you lose Williams, then...you almost have to resign Davis and you are putting yourself in a position of being held hostage by his agent.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I know they are different types of DT's but Williams frequently gets compared to Alim McNeil due to draft positioning and the whole Donahue fist bump thing. I would say McNeil is the better player but if Williams is near the ball park of 4 years $97M that McNeil got, take the comp pick. 

And let me add here to my previous posts about Williams....if it is almost 25mm a year to keep him... comp picks it is!!!

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

 

Milton Williams or Baun, you can't have both.

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

My bet is Williams is the odd guy out when Howie prioritizes Becton and Baun.  Williams may end up being a great player but hard to tell at this point given the huge advantage he gets being next to Carter.  I bet Howie will end up thinking he can find another DT who can succeed next to Carter and spend the money elsewhere.

That's where I am.  IMO, it will be easier to supplement the DL through the draft.  We'll also be a year further into Vic's influence on the scouting.

 

With this merger, I wonder if we see them try to create a more attractive helmet with guardian cap capabilities?

 

 

7 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

Nope...with Steen in house, and having Stoutland around....I am more confident in them making the O-line work without Becton than I am having the Eagles try to make the D-line work without Williams.  Additionally, there is going to come a decision in regards to Jordan Davis......if you have Williams, you can let Davis walk (if he can't be resigned)....if you lose Williams, then...you almost have to resign Davis and you are putting yourself in a position of being held hostage by his agent.

Or just draft a DL early to replace Williams.

EDIT:  That is the process.  Let Williams walk, get comp pick credit, draft the next guy.

 

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Jalen Carter voted first team all-pro by nfl players

https://nflpa.com/posts/the-players-all-pro
 

Saquon also first team.

 

Probably won’t reflect in AP all-pro list, but may be good news for the player-voted top 100 in the summer

Is that the one that even counts?  I thought it was the AP All Pro? 

When you watch the film breakdowns of the Eagles DL play throughout the year you see Carter freeing up the other guys time and again.  Fangio knows that Carter will be double teamed on 90% of the plays and schemes Carter's movement in order to create a mismatch with space for the other guys.  No one benefits from that more than Williams.  I'm not saying he isn't a good player but I do think Williams' effectiveness is getting a big lift from the play of Carter.  Williams will be an overpriced player and Howie doesn't overpay.

In my mind, Howie signs Baun/Becton and then uses the draft to find a Sweat replacement and will either go mid round for a DT or will look to add a decent DT via FA.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Is that the one that even counts?  I thought it was the AP All Pro? 

AP is the traditional one usually referenced when it comes to HoF and what not.

NFLPA All-Pro is like 3 years old. There is also another publication that names All-Pro but AP is still the king. 

25 minutes ago, TEW said:

Agreed.

Aikman didn’t have gaudy stats, but anyone who watched him play could see he was elite.

I've long said that Hurts is extremely accurate when throwing in rhythm. The problem is Hurts has composure issues in the pocket. 

Yup...back in the earlier days of fantasy football, it was well known that Troy Aikman was absolute poison. Emmitt would cash in on all the touchdowns. Our league was in the middle of Niner country so I was the only Eagle fan. Every year we would have a spot or two open in the league to recruit a new member/sucker. If a regular member of the group could recruit a Cowboy fan, there was an agreement to cut the recruiter entry fee in half....lol

Inevitably, that Cowboy fan would always take Aikman in the 1st or 2nd round...cha ching...such good times

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

With this merger, I wonder if we see them try to create a more attractive helmet with guardian cap capabilities?

They need to do something because those things are horrible.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

With this merger, I wonder if we see them try to create a more attractive helmet with guardian cap capabilities?

 

 

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

I guess it depends on what you mean by "back in the day.”

The 90’s were dominated by Aikman and Elway, with one each for Favre, Montana and Young. The 80’s had Montana. The 70’s had Bradshaw…

The bottom line is if you want to win multiple rings in a decade, you almost have to have a HOF type QB.

Now we've moved from "GOAT-like" to HOF.  And 'winning Super Bowls' (which I interpretted as any team winning one to 'Multiple rings in a decade'.   Very very few QBs have ever done that... and while its the goal, its really hard.  Even so, its been done by 'non-GOAT' level or even 'HOF' worthy QBs (as I measure them).  

But, I was thinking more along the lines of the pre-Brady era, but even during the Brady era, you had wins by: Eli Manning (2), Ben Rothlisberger (2), Brad Johnson and Nick Foles.  For me, none of those guys would be Hall of Fame worthy.  BUT, 2 of them were absolutely 'franchise QBs' who won multiple Super Bowls thanks to their cast around them.

Before that, you get guys like Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Phil Simms, Jim Plunkett (2), Joe Theismann, Roger Staubach (2), Ken Stabler and Brian Griese (2).  The trio of Rypien, Williams and Theismann got there with the same team over the course of a decade, and were beneficiaries of a great HC and great cast around them, none of whom are in the HoF, nor likely should be.  The duo of Simms and Hostetler went within 5 years of one another on the same team, again with a great HC and great cast around them, again none of whom are in the HoF, nor should be.  And finally, Plunkett, Griese and Staubach, wouldn't be guys I'd put on the GOAT-level, despite multiple Super Bowls.  Griese and Staubach are in the HoF, however.  And Plunkett isn't even in the HOF, and likely doesn't deserve to be either.

 

These guys had to fight their way through the dominant teams (not always dominant QBs, the Steelers of the 70s, for example were much more a dominant team than led by a dominant QB).  But, if you had a solid QB and could build the roster around them enough, you could break through, and usually be in the hunt for a long time with a 'franchise' level QB, like Manning (Eli), Rothlisberger, etc.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

When you watch the film breakdowns of the Eagles DL play throughout the year you see Carter freeing up the other guys time and again.  Fangio knows that Carter will be double teamed on 90% of the plays and schemes Carter's movement in order to create a mismatch with space for the other guys.  No one benefits from that more than Williams.  I'm not saying he isn't a good player but I do think Williams' effectiveness is getting a big lift from the play of Carter.  Williams will be an overpriced player and Howie doesn't overpay.

In my mind, Howie signs Baun/Becton and then uses the draft to find a Sweat replacement and will either go mid round for a DT or will look to add a decent DT via FA.

Nice post sir.

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Or just draft a DL early to replace Williams.

EDIT:  That is the process.  Let Williams walk, get comp pick credit, draft the next guy.

 

Don't sleep on Ojomo taking a lot of Williams' snaps next year. He has shown massive improvement. 

I think Williams will get big money as a FA and we lose him.

Milton Williams is finally the player they thought he'd be. I don't think they let him walk.

They had Fletcher Cox and Timmy Jernigan and still signed Malik Jackson.

Then they had Cox and Jackson and signed Javon Hargrave. 

The Eagles will spend at DT. 

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

When you watch the film breakdowns of the Eagles DL play throughout the year you see Carter freeing up the other guys time and again.  Fangio knows that Carter will be double teamed on 90% of the plays and schemes Carter's movement in order to create a mismatch with space for the other guys.  No one benefits from that more than Williams.  I'm not saying he isn't a good player but I do think Williams' effectiveness is getting a big lift from the play of Carter.  Williams will be an overpriced player and Howie doesn't overpay.

In my mind, Howie signs Baun/Becton and then uses the draft to find a Sweat replacement and will either go mid round for a DT or will look to add a decent DT via FA.

I understand this 100%. Carter IS freeing up Williams. There's no guarantee the next guy will. Williams has the perfect skillset for interior DT 1v1 battles. Now, if the Eagles can find a way to land Mason Graham, now we're talking.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Milton Williams is finally the player they thought he'd be. I don't think they let him walk.

They had Fletcher Cox and Timmy Jernigan and still signed Malik Jackson.

Then they had Cox and Jackson and signed Javon Hargrave. 

The Eagles will spend at DT. 

Our did Fangio/Hurtt pull a Stoutland and elevate a day-two prospect?

If so, draft another day-two prospect like they've done with Dickerson/Jurgens/Steen on the OL.

 

The Jackson/Hargrave signings occurred before Howie got his act together in 2021.  I think they now trust their coaches to coach and the organization's ability to draft well.