June 4Jun 4 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:You just said exactly that, see bold redI didn't say that....he did. Again, go read the discussion.
June 4Jun 4 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:None of those are facts. They are propositions accepted as fact by folks like you.It is an absolute fact that the government is using disparate systems for like tasks in many areas. And it is an absolute fact that the government does not follow industry best practices all manner of things. Why would would even try to debate these things is beyond me.
June 4Jun 4 4 minutes ago, The Norseman said:Dude. Go back and read what Vikas wrote and read my response. You are interjecting all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the discussion.I don't argue for or against HOW Doge did it, only that I'm glad they are doing it and I hope they keep it up. I have seen cost cutting exercises done in all manner of ways...but I can tell you this, if a major company was in the fiscal position that our government is in, it wouldn't be a chainsaw that new management used, it would be an atom bomb.Assessing license usage and inefficiencies in processes similar across departments is what you do when you're running a business, not trying to save one.For our government literally the only solution worth using political capital on is entitlement reform. Republicans as they are presently constituted will not do it. In large part because their base won't allow it. You refuse to accept this. I am a realist who accepted a long time ago that the only path is to limit deficit spending as much as possible until Republicans come back around to something resembling fiscal conservatism.
June 4Jun 4 Just now, The Norseman said:It is an absolute fact that the government is using disparate systems for like tasks in many areas. And it is an absolute fact that the government does not follow industry best practices all manner of things. Why would would even try to debate these things is beyond me.Cite your sources.
June 4Jun 4 3 minutes ago, The Norseman said:Cite your sourceI'm your source. I just spent almost 10 years in a mgmt team who's biggest single client was the US Govt.btw - I read your reply to Vikas. Surely you don't believe that six hackers actually go thru 100s of super long government contracts line by line and engage with people to understand those contracts in a thorough manner in a matter of days and weeks? They just setup some AI motor to process everything and look for specific keywords. The amount of time they spent with the actual employees was very minimal. They were proud of doing it that way.
June 4Jun 4 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:For a business maybe. Government is not a business, and for you business school types whose only tool is a hammer every government budget issue is a nail.The only truth you've spoken in this thread is that entitlement reform is the only true way towards a solution remotely resembling solvency. Boomers are buoying Trump and therefore the solution is not within your grasp - because they don't teach solutions to political problems in business school.Republicans are no more likely to reduce spending on entitlements than Democrats. But what they reliably do is run higher deficits.As long as we continue to reward the Republican party for cutting taxes and increasing spending they will do it.That's exactly what you're doing with your short sighted thinking.I'm making a binary choice between a party that is pro business and anti regulation and a party that wants crippling regulation and universal tax hikes. Short sighted thinking is assuming that there is no meaningful waste in government and that the answer to our financial woes is just ratcheting up the tax brackets on "rich people" who don't pay income taxes anyway.
June 4Jun 4 18 minutes ago, The Norseman said:And it is an absolute fact that the government does not follow industry best practices all manner of things.What?
June 4Jun 4 7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:I'm your source. I just spent almost 10 years in a mgmt team who's biggest single client was the US Govt.btw - I read your reply to Vikas. Surely you don't believe that six hackers actually go thru 100s of super long government contracts line by line and engage with people to understand those contracts in a thorough manner in a matter of days and weeks? They just setup some AI motor to process everything and look for specific keywords. The amount of time they spent with the actual employees was very minimal. They were proud of doing it that way.And in those 10 years you never saw any evidence of paying for licenses the government did not need? I don't think anything, other than the fact that what he suggested is literally what they are doing. Could they do it at a bigger scale, or via different means and be more effective...I'm sure they could. But saying that they aren't going line by line or giving the various different agencies targets is simply not accurate.
June 4Jun 4 Just now, Paul852 said:What? That's right. And what's worse, is that the government doesn't even follow the regulations that they lay out for businesses.
June 4Jun 4 13 minutes ago, The Norseman said:And in those 10 years you never saw any evidence of paying for licenses the government did not need?I don't think anything, other than the fact that what he suggested is literally what they are doing. Could they do it at a bigger scale, or via different means and be more effective...I'm sure they could. But saying that they aren't going line by line or giving the various different agencies targets is simply not accurate.No they weren’t. Vikas suggested a thorough and proper audit as good businesses do all the time. That is not what DOGE has done.
June 4Jun 4 15 minutes ago, The Norseman said:And in those 10 years you never saw any evidence of paying for licenses the government did not need?I don't think anything, other than the fact that what he suggested is literally what they are doing. Could they do it at a bigger scale, or via different means and be more effective...I'm sure they could. But saying that they aren't going line by line or giving the various different agencies targets is simply not accurate.As I said, they don’t do it right or according to their own policies all the time. They make mistakes and take shortcuts just as private companies do. That doesn’t mean they don’t have policies and it doesn’t mean they don’t follow them the vast majority of the time. My conclusion was that they were on the level of mediocre companies who have a good deal of bureaucracy. Certainly fat to trim but not optimally done with an imprecise DOGE chainsaw.
June 5Jun 5 16 hours ago, The Norseman said:And yet he strongly prefers Biden's Border Czar to the one guy who actually shut down the border? Stop it 😂😂😂16 hours ago, DrPhilly said:As I've said at least 20x, the single thing Trump has done well is take care of the border. I support it.Quit being so dull.edit: I've also said I'm behind removing the temporary status for people from Venezuela and other countries. I've said that multiple times in here as well.you're right norseman, stop it. you look foolish. you got called out on a false claim and now you're doubling down? take the L kid, you got this one wrong.
June 5Jun 5 The Trump administration must restore hundreds of millions of dollars in AmeriCorps grant funding and thousands of service workers in about two dozen states, a federal judge ruled Thursday.U.S. District Judge Deborah L. Boardman granted a temporary block on the agency’s cancellation of grants and early discharge of corps members, but only for the states that sued the administration in April.The federal lawsuit, filed by Democratic state officials across the country, accused President Donald Trump’s cost-cutting efforts through the Department of Government Efficiency of reneging on grants funded through the AmeriCorps State and National program, which was budgeted $557 million in congressionally approved funding this year.
June 5Jun 5 6 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:you're right norseman, stop it. you look foolish.you got called out on a false claim and now you're doubling down? take the L kid, you got this one wrong.the F are you talking about? The guy's "number one issue" was the border and yet he desperately wanted Biden's Border Czar to win the election. Now he rails on Trump in here with the rest of you all day, every day. Just because he conceded that Trump closed the border doesn't make him a centrist. Hell, I've conceded far more than that over the years and nobody would label me a centrist, nor would I claim it.
June 5Jun 5 Just now, The Norseman said:the F are you talking about? The guy's "number one issue" was the border and yet he desperately wanted Biden's Border Czar to win the election. Now he rails on Trump in here with the rest of you all day, every day.Just because he conceded that Trump closed the border doesn't make him a centrist.Hell, I've conceded far more than that over the years and nobody would label me a centrist, nor would I claim it.you said, he's never been on the other side, you were wrong. now, go defend trump on the elon truth bombs and stop punching yourself in the face here.
June 5Jun 5 2 minutes ago, The Norseman said:the F are you talking about? The guy's "number one issue" was the border and yet he desperately wanted Biden's Border Czar to win the election. Now he rails on Trump in here with the rest of you all day, every day.Just because he conceded that Trump closed the border doesn't make him a centrist.Hell, I've conceded far more than that over the years and nobody would label me a centrist, nor would I claim it.Dude, stop the bullsheet. I've voted Republican more times than I've voted Democrat and I've never been a member of either party. I'm mainly a Classic Liberal and Never Trumper type and I lean fiscally conservative and socially progressive. That's it mate. Why that is so hard for you to understand is beyond me. You come off like a total asshat.
June 5Jun 5 Just now, DrPhilly said:Dude, stop the bullsheet. I've voted Republican more times than I've voted Democrat and I've never been a member of either party. I'm mainly a Classic Liberal and Never Trumper type and I lean fiscally conservative and socially progressive. That's it mate. Why that is so hard for you to understand is beyond me. You come off like a total asshat.Why are all of you people so emotionally fragile? You say you're a centrist and point to one post in a million regarding Trump that was positive. Maybe at some point you were more conservative but at the moment you sound just like all the other lefty loons in here. My deepest apologies for pointing out the obvious.
June 5Jun 5 Just now, The Norseman said:Why are all of you people so emotionally fragile? You say you're a centrist and point to one post in a million regarding Trump that was positive.Maybe at some point you were more conservative but at the moment you sound just like all the other lefty loons in here. My deepest apologies for pointing out the obvious.It is quite natural for a "both sider" to be focused on Trump right now. Certainly even you can understand that. Did you just sleep you the many years of posts I've made that were anti-left, anit-woke, and anti-DEM?
June 5Jun 5 23 minutes ago, The Norseman said:Why are all of you people so emotionally fragile? You say you're a centrist and point to one post in a million regarding Trump that was positive.Maybe at some point you were more conservative but at the moment you sound just like all the other lefty loons in here. My deepest apologies for pointing out the obvious.Holy smokes, quit while you're behind.(note to @JohnSnowsHair : this time it was deliberate )
June 5Jun 5 1 hour ago, The Norseman said:Why are all of you people so emotionally fragile? You say you're a centrist and point to one post in a million regarding Trump that was positive.Maybe at some point you were more conservative but at the moment you sound just like all the other lefty loons in here. My deepest apologies for pointing out the obvious.Wow, you actually believe that Trump is fiscally conservative don't you?
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