Josh Allen and Lamar come up small until they prove otherwise.

Allen was a nervous wreck for the entire 1st quarter of the AFCCG. He absolutely had a big role in that loss.

Oh, and you don’t like being called short on the sneak? Then get it comfortably and don’t let the refs make a judgement call.

The Houston game had a couple of legitimately bad calls, the AFCCG Buffalo just choked again.

And I don’t even take Lamar seriously as a championship contender.

Our guy is more clutch than both of them….by a wide margin. And that matters a lot more than any (debatable) marginal talent difference.

 

5 hours ago, mattwill said:

Barwin is Head of football development and strategy

Don't know if he's still there but he lived in Center City off 18th and Pine right behind my mom's building.

12 hours ago, ManuManu said:

He’ll be there, and eww. No. 

TEW wanted the tackle the Chiefs had on the bench too

8 hours ago, austinfan said:

They're going to give Shipley a bigger work load, watching him at the end of the season, I saw Charlie Garner - for you youngsters, Garner was a lean, explosive one cut RB who was a HR threat coming off the bench.Left Philly after 5 years, had two big seasons in SF (1229, 1142 yards), then broke down. Dangerous receiver as well.

Charlie Garner is one of my all-time favorites. The anticipation for his first start followed up by the 49ers game was something I'll never forget. He was still successful when he went to the Raiders after his stop in SF, they just had a thunder and lightning backfield with Garner and Tyrone Wheatly. He averaged 4, 5.3 and 4.6 YPC over this 3 seasons with the Raiders. 

With that being said, I'm not sure he's an accurate comparison for Shipley. Carlie Garner had serious juice to his game. I don't see that same explosiveness with Shipley. 

7 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Got to disagree.  Allen and occasionally Lamar can be turnover risks.  The dialing back for Hurts was to teach him how not to be a turnover risk. Allen is more streaky in that area than most realize. Frankly, his tightness is why the Eagles were playing KC. Hurts doesn’t get tight like that. 

If you put Allen behind our line with our wrs he would have 5k and 40tds

15 hours ago, SkippyX said:

FYI on watching all the games. NFL+ is about 100 bucks and you can watch red zone and all the games back to maybe 2012 are available for replay both broadcast and condensed.

I'd wait until August to get the next season instead of buying it for whatever discount rate they have for now until August.

I used to spend for Sling Blue 6 months a year but now I just get NFL+

I gave up NFL ticket for NFL + years ago.  Really like the condensed games and the All22. 

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Awesome thread. Harlan always does a great job. 

I am going to rewatch the game but i really think the key we arent talking about was saquon constantly stifling the blitzers. Did it so many times and thats what spags couldnt solve

 

also i love the KC defenders on the shove getting dragged across the ground like kevin hart under the rhinos in Jumanji

Assuming Moore takes Nussmeier and Patullo gets OC job I could see Leftwich or Pep Hamilton come as a QB coach passing game coordinator. 

1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I remember him saying that right when we traded for Dotson. 

Bayless is a tool, always has been.

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

To be fair to Kelce, Thuney may have given more effort but was equally ineffective.

 

Both were standing on the tracks as the express was coming through.  Neither had a chance.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Assuming Moore takes Nussmeier and Patullo gets OC job I could see Leftwich or Pep Hamilton come as a QB coach passing game coordinator. 

Hard pass on byron but pep could be very interesting

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

To be fair to Kelce, Thune may have give more effort but was equally ineffective.

 

Both were standing on the tracks as the express was coming through.  Neither had a chance.

Kelce should retire. He’s a Hall of Fame player but time has taken its toll. Happens to everyone.  If he continues fans will bash and blame his girlfriend and his outside interests

9 hours ago, Utebird said:

Had 2 good year,s in SF 2 really good years in OAK was a few rushing and receiving yards short of 1000 rushing and 1000 receiving in 2001?

I still remember his first start, he had a bum ankle in camp then week 4 against 49ers got the start, moved Herschel to FB and garner ripped of a couple big runs a couple tds putting up a 40 burger against the eventual super bowl champs that year.

 

Yep! One of my favorite Eagles games. It was incredible watching his burst. We had been WAITING to see this kid everyone was talking about and hyping up and then that game. So fun to watch. 

49 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Charlie Garner is one of my all-time favorites. The anticipation for his first start followed up by the 49ers game was something I'll never forget. He was still successful when he went to the Raiders after his stop in SF, they just had a thunder and lightning backfield with Garner and Tyrone Wheatly. He averaged 4, 5.3 and 4.6 YPC over this 3 seasons with the Raiders. 

With that being said, I'm not sure he's an accurate comparison for Shipley. Carlie Garner had serious juice to his game. I don't see that same explosiveness with Shipley. 

Yeah I don’t really see the comparison. At all. 

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Been watching some random plays…Nolan Smith is a violent player who packs a punch.  Hes tenacious in run defense.

 

Over the course of the last few seasons, we've discussed in here how much this team lacks violence on defense. Ever since Dawkins left, this defense has just felt soft. Even the SB52 team lacked guys who struck fear in opposing players. Malcolm had the huge hit on Cooks in the SB, but overall this team was missing something. Then the tackling became an issue and they became a team that didn't pursue, wrap up or try to dominate. 

This team though, and it's been quoted by so many of the respected talking heads, plays VIOLENT defense. I absolutely love it. The OL plays violent FB. Saquon Barkley is a violent runner. All of them finish. All of them want the opponents to hate the next play. I don't know if it's a Vic thing, a UGA thing or a CJGJ thing but man I just love it. It's been so refreshing to watch. 

I know power rankings are dumb but ESPN having the eagles at 4th in their year end PR is insane. 39th out of 59 Superbowl winners. 

8 hours ago, TEW said:

No.

Love the player, but if I’m taking a TE in the first round they need to be an extremely "clean” prospect. Arroyo has injury issues, he needs to add weight, and he needs a lot of coaching. At 64 though? I’m starting to get interested.

Also love the kid from Bowling Green (blanking on his name), but he seems more like someone who would play Calcaterra’s role than a true in-line TE, which is what we need.

The Cooper Dejean experience has probably turned Howie on to 2nd round trade ups.  Trading up in round 1 from 32 is expensive.  Trading up in round 2 for a prospect you had a round 1 grade on...not so much.

I'm sure Howie would rather come out of this draft with 2 blue chip players and no depth than 5-6 Johny Wilsons and Ainias Smiths.  So I'd expect him to try to consolidate his #32 draft position in every round into the opportunity to get 1-3 more talented players with just a small volume of later picks.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The Cooper Dejean experience has probably turned Howie on to 2nd round trade ups.  Trading up in round 1 from 32 is expensive.  Trading up in round 2 for a prospect you had a round 1 grade on...not so much.

I'm sure Howie would rather come out of this draft with 2 blue chip players and no depth than 5-6 Johny Wilsons and Ainias Smiths.  So I'd expect him to try to consolidate his #32 draft position in every round into the opportunity to get 1-3 more talented players with just a small volume of later picks.

I could see them trading pick 32 for more in rds 2,3,4

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

Makes Calcaterra look like Gronk.

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I could see them trading pick 32 for more in rds 2,3,4

The 2018 draft is interesting from the #32 position.  The Dallas Goedert maneuver was fantastic.  Picked up future ammo and got a first round talent at a non-premium position who became a long term starter (immediate impact was modest).  

Then got Maddox, Sweat, and Mailata.

Technically, that draft was a grand slam...was instrumental in this championship...BUT...it actually had very minimal early impact, the lack of which was a part of their 2020 implosion.

8 hours ago, devpool said:

First 3 rounds, go for high end production against high end competition. After that do whatever the F you want. Pick the guy that can jump to the moon and run a 4.3 but played for Wells Fargo Co-Ed, pick the 6'9 350 pound behemoth who never played football before, the guy who changed positions two years ago. Don't care. 

But those first 3 rounds need to hit.

I'm looking for a 2018 draft again. Some parallels in that it was the draft after SB52 and key players on rookie deals mixed with large contracts. They walked away with 5 selections. In a normal year, the more picks they make the better, but this year and the way this team is currently built, I'm OK with moving up when needed even if it costs you some of your later picks. 

Getting an eventual high end starter at 32 (if they stay there), would be huge though. Having 5 years of control on a rookie contract that is going to be around $13 million goes a long way. They are going to lose guys every year, but in order to keep the core of this team together, some big contracts are going to have to be signed. That rookie deal helps so much. 

With Nakobe Dean's injury and even if they bring back Baun, LB is a need. I'd love a guy like Danny Stutsman. I can't see Baun signing anything more than a 3-year deal so assuming they sign him, having a LB ready to roll is going to be important. 

There are multiple right and wrong ways to approach this offseason.  This is the first offseason in the history of my fandom where I just don't have a strong opinion...I trust whatever Howie/Fangio/Stoutland want to do.  Those 3 are making all the relevant decisions.

Baun/Williams/Sweat...Pretty sure Howie and Fangio can and will keep the ones they need to.

Becton...ditto Howie and Stoutland.

Fangio and Stoutland know what they do or don't have in Ojomo, Steen, Hunt.

There are a lot of permutations in who to keep and who to let walk...and it's really hard to prognosticate much in the draft until those decisions come to fruition.

DE will be a priority...but I don't think it needs to be a 1st round investment unless there is a player they can't pass up on.  Rotational depth feels more important to me.  

DT...let's see what happens with Williams.

OL...let's see what happens with Becton.  Ranges from a potential major draft need to us not even looking at many OL at any point in the draft.

TE...lots of directions here too.

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

 

Think of the confidence boost Hunt has going in to year 2. He's not going in to year 2 working out trying to prove himself. He's going in to year 2 as a bona fide weapon on defense with a defined role. Going in to his rookie year, the discussion was does he even dress on gameday. Now it's how do they get him on the field more? He's far from a finished product, but man what a different path that's being followed now.