10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Howie's challenge this offseason will be to figure out how to do something that makes the team better. Right now we're all in a mode of it not getting that much worse (coaching departures & projected FA losses). He usually pulls some rabbit out of the hat.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

😀  People seem to be in mitigate loss mode

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

😀  People seem to be in mitigate loss mode

Maybe some. Others have high hopes about trading for Garrett, trading up in round 1, or sorting how to retain most of the key free agents. 

SB winning teams lose talent that go for big paydays, that's common. They already have drafted and developed guys that can replace some of the production. The cap increased which gives flexibility in retaining guys they want to keep. This is why drafting well is so important and why their past draft failures hurt them years later. Now you have guys like Nolan Smith, Ojomo and Jalyx Hunt stepping up. If Becton walks, they have Steen. It's not a complete dropoff like in years past.

48 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Did you see that they have superstition about the GDT? They have a specific person who is supposed to start it (like we have you). But then 2 other guys also started game day threads and they were mad, one even said he should be banned. 

They also start it at midnight on game day, it has to be 12:00 midnight on the dot. The guy started it at 11:59am so the date showed the day before. There were several people suggesting multiple times that it was bad luck and the reason they were losing. 

Damn Chief fans

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I'm not saying Garrett size move but going into a season where you on paper downgraded your coaching and talent doesn't seem like a fun plan

Jeeez, your "basking in the Superbowl win" period really died on it's ass huh?

Bleacher Report has Milton Williams projected to receive a 4 year deal for $50 million and Josh Sweat for 4 years and $81 million FWIW.  That was posted two days ago

Just now, garingovt2000 said:

Bleacher Report has Milton Williams projected to receive a 4 year deal for $50 million and Josh Sweat for 4 years and $81 million FWIW.  That was posted two days ago

Yeah have fun with that Sweat deal Miami or Jacksonville 

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Jeeez, your "basking in the Superbowl win" period really died on it's ass huh?

I'm wearing a Sb Champion shirt.  I can bask in the win and talk about next season at the same time

No chance Williams get that. If he does he's a lock to return.

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Maybe some. Others have high hopes about trading for Garrett, trading up in round 1, or sorting how to retain most of the key free agents. 

SB winning teams lose talent that go for big paydays, that's common. They already have drafted and developed guys that can replace some of the production. The cap increased which gives flexibility in retaining guys they want to keep. This is why drafting well is so important and why their past draft failures hurt them years later. Now you have guys like Nolan Smith, Ojomo and Jalyx Hunt stepping up. If Becton walks, they have Steen. It's not a complete dropoff like in years past.

It also looks like a good draft class for D Linemen, like if you have to lose a couple of good ones to free agency, this would be the year to do it, there's a solid crop of potential starter DT's and DE's rather than a couple of blue chips that go top 15 and then project high motor speedballs the rest of the way.

Who is a diamond in the rough in this years FA?  Not expecting All-Pro like Baun but who do you think we should target that's not universally looked at as a top 25-50 FA?

 

 

Also thinking about the Super Bowl and the Tush Push.  Trying to remember when Chris Jones was on the sideline getting his neck rubbed and announcers said something like "That's why a lot of teams want to get rid of the tush push".  Was that right after he lined up sideways at the goal line? 

 

10 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Who is a diamond in the rough in this years FA?  Not expecting All-Pro like Baun but who do you think we should target that's not universally looked at as a top 25-50 FA?

 

 

K'Lavon Chaisson

Azeez Ojulari

1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I’ll be the first to say KC fans had every reason to be confident, but damn, they were down right arrogant. And I’m still only half way thru a 139 page thread. 
 

I will give them one thing. They discovered who ESP is and they find him to be an idiot, so they’re not totally lost. 

Confidence is very different in my book than arrogance or over confidence.  

57 minutes ago, Moderator12 said:

I have a list, but it's of posters who abuse the use of the phrase "Kool Aid"

 

 

@LeanMeanGM : 

Don't forget @NCiggles  He's a little 'in your face' with it. 

 

OH YEAH!!!

Nick Underhill: 

The Saints are hiring Doug Nussmeier as their offensive coordinator, according to a source. 

Kellen Moore brings his closest confidant into the fold.

27 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I will never begrudge a fan their apprehension before a big game.   But, I can happily laugh at opposition fans who are overly confident in their team.  Opposite ends of the same spectrum.

It's why extremeskins was my guilty pleasure for YEARS.  Damn shame they shut it down, there were some real bangers to go back read through.  

 

I did save one of my favorite "articles" by Art though.  I present to you "Cap Hell Rocks!"

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Redskins.com: Cap doom? Hardly

Don't hate us because we're beautiful.

No more blank, wondering stares, confused head scratching, frothing emotional outbursts, conspiracy theories or embarrassing, dismissive references to 2000. The Washington Redskins are the central theme of every NFL team message board out there. Here's a message to you all from all ExtremeSkins fans everywhere.

It's time to embrace the reality of it all. Simply, we're better than you.

That's it. Look no further. We are better than you. We're more fun. It feels better to be us. We've got flair. We're audacious, capricious, bodacious, supercalifragilisticxpalidocious.

Are you finally getting it?

Yes, yes, I know cap hell was supposed to be upon us. I know that's what you've been told. I feel for you, I really do. As you come to realize we're better than you, a second bit of stark reality must also penetrate.

We're smarter than them.

Repeat after me.

The Washington Redskins are managed, coached and owned by highly professional people who know more about running a football franchise than ALL the unnamed, anonymous sources any reporter has yanked from the broom closet and quoted.

Don't take my word for it. Take the following words for it.

Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, Adam Archuleta, Andre Carter, Todd Collins, Christian Fauria.

The question you all should be asking isn't, "How is all this possible?" No. The question should be, "How didn't we know this was all possible?"

Six years of assurances cap hell was on the way and you still allowed yourself to believe the tripe. Perhaps busting the cap hell myth as it relates to the Washington Redskins is just too painful a thing for media and fans of other teams to do.

Like a child coming to the harsh knowledge Santa doesn't exist, the media and opposing teams' fans are struggling desperately to hang on to the fiction that cap hell is on the way for the Redskins despite--literally--YEARS of demonstrated contrary evidence.

Here's the best part.

You don't have to hate us for what we're doing. You can do it, too.

"The thing I want to emphasize is this: We haven't done one thing that anybody else can't do," Joe Gibbs said after the introductory press conference for Andre Carter. "We have certain rules in the league. Here's the cap, here's the numbers, here's what you can spend, so everybody in the league can do what we're doing, it's just that they choose not to, many of them."

Deep down, this is really the issue, isn't it? You can do it too and you know it, but, your team doesn't do it, so, you have a hard choice. Hate your team, or hate us.

Say you're a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles. You always have all those many millions available, which somehow never seem to get spent. All week you're hearing how you have LeCharles Bentley locked up as your free agent masterstroke to solidify your offensive line.

You are giddy. You're thrilled. You know this is the guy you need. He fills a need and makes it a strength. You're excited about the prospects of adding such a substantial piece. Then, the Cleveland Browns call, offer a few more bucks to Bentley and Bentley winds up in Cleveland leaving you with nothing more than whimpering excuses that Bentley is from Cleveland and always wanted to play there.

Oh, hush.

Antwaan Randle El is from Chicago. He's always wanted to play there. Yet he's playing in D.C. Adam Archuleta admits he adores Lovie Smith after years playing for him with St. Louis and wanted to play with him in Chicago. Yet he's playing in D.C. Andre Carter just had to meet the Broncos because his father played there 12 years and he envisioned being the second generation of his family with the team. Yet he's playing in D.C.

And it's driving you crazy because you were so excited and thrilled about the prospects of adding a good player your management and owner can't figure out how to land while we get EVERY single player we shoot at.

We get to actually live the thrill and giddiness you only get to brush up against. And it's killing you.

Did we pay a premium for generally young players entering their prime with years left to play in the NFL?

You bet we did. Kind of like when the Eagles lock up their own young players for a premium before they really emerge on the scene and everyone calls that genius. Think of it like that, only, with the component of actually being smart because an expensive 24-year-old promising receiver suddenly becomes a very cheap 26-year-old receiver when he grabs 80 balls.

See, we already had good players under contract. Now we have more.

As you struggle to find words to describe the coming cap doom heading our way, try to process one final thought. When you have that free agent you need all lined up and you don't get him, well, isn't that really what cap hell feels like?

I wouldn't know, because I don't ever have to feel that way.

Not only did they post this on their forum, but on their main site as well  

54 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I will for this game. We had the best D by a wide margin, best Oline by a wide margin, best RB, best WRs, all by a wide margin.  And we came off the NFC championship scoring 55 points.  Not destroying them would have been the oddity.  And it was plain to see.

Anticipating a blow out in the Super Bowl borders on arrogance.  I thought the team was better than KC, but we've seen better teams lose in the Super Bowl.  For that matter, I thought the 2022 Eagles were better than the 2022 Chiefs, and the Eagles lost that one.   IMO, the 1980 Eagles were better than the 1980 Raiders, but had their butts handed to them.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Confidence is very different in my book than arrogance or over confidence.  

Right. So many of them were saying it was going to be an easy win, downplaying our roster (especially defense), living in 2022, saying Mahomes and Reid are unstoppable, all they have to do is stop Barkley, downplaying our O line saying Chris Jones is going to bulldoze through them, etc. Any Chiefs fan who said it would be a tough, close game was mocked too.

They had every right to be confident, they were going for 3peat, why not? It was just hilarious and cathartic to read through that after knowing we blew them out. Especially reading the coping and rationalization during the game. 

44 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

😀  People seem to be in mitigate loss mode

 

40 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Maybe some. Others have high hopes about trading for Garrett, trading up in round 1, or sorting how to retain most of the key free agents. 

SB winning teams lose talent that go for big paydays, that's common. They already have drafted and developed guys that can replace some of the production. The cap increased which gives flexibility in retaining guys they want to keep. This is why drafting well is so important and why their past draft failures hurt them years later. Now you have guys like Nolan Smith, Ojomo and Jalyx Hunt stepping up. If Becton walks, they have Steen. It's not a complete dropoff like in years past.

I'm pretty sure Howie is going to trade the next 15 years of 6th and 7th round picks and Pickett for Garrett and Cash Considerations

26 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

remember when Chris Jones was on the sideline getting his neck rubbed 

Justin Tucker:

18 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

K'Lavon Chaisson

Azeez Ojulari

If you can get Ojulari for ~$9mill a year you should do it.

I'd consider Odeyingbo from the Colts too but I've seen ridiculous numbers for his potential contract being posted elsewhere.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Anticipating a blow out in the Super Bowl borders on arrogance.  I thought the team was better than KC, but we've seen better teams lose in the Super Bowl.  For that matter, I thought the 2022 Eagles were better than the 2022 Chiefs, and the Eagles lost that one.   IMO, the 1980 Eagles were better than the 1980 Raiders, but had their butts handed to them.  

I said we would win by 3 scores and when predicting season records I'm usually on the low end of the spectrum

 

28 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Also thinking about the Super Bowl and the Tush Push.  Trying to remember when Chris Jones was on the sideline getting his neck rubbed and announcers said something like "That's why a lot of teams want to get rid of the tush push".  Was that right after he lined up sideways at the goal line? 

 

Yes.   Seemed like a stupid plan at the time.

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Right. So many of them were saying it was going to be an easy win, downplaying our roster (especially defense), living in 2022, saying Mahomes and Reid are unstoppable, all they have to do is stop Barkley, downplaying our O line saying Chris Jones is going to bulldoze through them, etc. Any Chiefs fan who said it would be a tough, close game was mocked too.

They had every right to be confident, they were going for 3peat, why not? It was just hilarious and cathartic to read through that after knowing we blew them out. Especially reading the coping and rationalization during the game. 

Going into the game one guy literally said we were the worst team they faced in the playoffs