44 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

@BigEFly This is the conversation. I have no idea where this snapshot "moment in time” stuff is coming from. 

It’s just muddying the waters 

7 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

If the Eagles want Davis in 2026 they have to exercies his 5th year option as some tema will offer him big money the Eagles won't match.  That is the reality of free agency and the DT position.  The idea that the Eagles should let Davis play out 2025 and then work out a contract with him is fantasy.  Nobody on this board a year ago (and maybe the entire NFL) would have predicted Milt Willaims would sign for 1/3 of what he signed for.  

If the Eagles want Davis to play for them in 2026 all they have to do is exercise their 5th year option.

4 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Arguments have made on both sides pro and con.  All I know is that when asked Fangio unequivocally said NT was the most important position in his defense.  Basically, he said, if you don't have one, it doesn't work 🤷‍♂️

I heard him say that about off ball LB’ers, never heard it about a NT.

"So the ILB position has become a more demanding position in the last decade or so and it’s hard not to play good defense without good ILB play.”

 

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Arguments have made on both sides pro and con.  All I know is that when asked Fangio unequivocally said NT was the most important position in his defense.  Basically, he said, if you don't have one, it doesn't work 🤷‍♂️

That's the best argument made yet to keep him.  I'd argue that Carter is more important though, in terms of talent. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s just muddying the waters 

If you wait long enough, the sediment should fall to the bottom.

3 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Arguments have made on both sides pro and con.  All I know is that when asked Fangio unequivocally said NT was the most important position in his defense.  Basically, he said, if you don't have one, it doesn't work 🤷‍♂️

So Howie should get Fangio a NT that can play more snaps and not be limited to just a run stuffer. Sounds good

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I heard him say that about off ball LB’ers, never heard it about a NT.

"So the ILB position has become a more demanding position in the last decade or so and it’s hard not to play good defense without good ILB play.”

 

Yeah, i have been trying to run down where he said it but he was pretty clear that NT was the most important position. 

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Yeah, i have been trying to run down where he said it but he was pretty clear that NT was rhe most important position. 

If its so important one would think hed have a NT play more than 25 snaps a game 

I like Davis I was a big proponent of drafting him, and I thought hed be further along than he is and more of an impact player, and thats been disappointing, I think there are plenty of big fat NTs that can do what Davis does at a far cheaper price. 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I heard him say that about off ball LB’ers, never heard it about a NT.

"So the ILB position has become a more demanding position in the last decade or so and it’s hard not to play good defense without good ILB play.”

 

Not sure if you’re familiar with The Honest NFL Twitter account (they’re a former eagles scout) but I remember when Davis was drafted them saying something along the lines of that position being a high level of importance to a Fangio scheme fwiw

7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Put a number on what the value for that is.  What does it cost to add a similar player?  How easily can they be found on the free agent market or in which round of the draft?  Is the cost to replace him, lower than the 5th year option?   I'm going to guess that's @ManuManu's reasoning.   It would be mine as well.

I agree 100%.  What is the AAV number for a free agent NT who can play at Davis’ level and impact on rushing plays, especially in the 1st Quarter?

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Fair enough.   I still think the $12.9M in 2026 is too much.  We'll have some much bigger pieces (metaphorically) making much more that year.  Hurts hits $32M in '26.  And they have to resign Carter, Jurgens and a couple other guys that I see as more fundamental.   🤷‍♂️

$12.9M in 2026 is a pittance.

7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You seem to think that there's no value in assessing the past. 

No i absolutely see the value.  I have said over and over again that it is both/and.  The end of almost every comment I have made in this discussion has been JMO.

26 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Arguments have made on both sides pro and con.  All I know is that when asked Fangio unequivocally said NT was the most important position in his defense.  Basically, he said, if you don't have one, it doesn't work 🤷‍♂️

And while we assume we have one, he chooses not to play him. Which can only lead you to believe they are disappointed in his performance, or more likely conditioning since his performance looks pretty good in the limited time he actually plays.

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I heard him say that about off ball LB’ers, never heard it about a NT.

"So the ILB position has become a more demanding position in the last decade or so and it’s hard not to play good defense without good ILB play.”

 

If you look closely and think about it- hes actually saying he doesnt want good LBs.

Wonder ifnwe sign Amdre Dillard after the draft if we don't end up drwfting an OT.

6 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The big thing is the snap counts... but if you play on CLE, MIN or NYG you probably need to be on the field more (just like in 2023 when our team was bad, JD got 45%).  

The other reason for the higher proportion of snaps was that the Eagles had to defend a much higher proportion of plays that had a high probability of being a run.  The leads on the scoreboard that the Eagles were able to amass meant the opponents were passing in order to try and catch up on the scoreboard.

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s just muddying the waters 

No, it’s not. If you judge a player at a single moment and set that as his worth you are, inevitably, wrong. I offer as Exhibit One, Isaac Seumalo. Exhibit Two, Nolan Smith. Both were judged as busts here and don’t deny it. That judgment was what I termed a snapshot judgment, a frozen moment, which was, inevitably, wrong. 
Well, not inevitably, but most often. Players improve. 

5 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

For the Jackson Hawes lovers

Jackson Hawes has incredibly poor career production totals, having never been above 200 yards in a season at the FCS or FBS level. He has terrible hands meaning he is not a reliable target. Hawes has an obscenely high career drop rate of 12.1% and is poor at winning the ball in tight spaces, with a career contested catch rate of 25.0%. He hasn’t won a single contested target in the past two years. Hawes is a true in-line blocker who showcases excellent strength at the point of attack with the ability to move defensive linemen and create space for the running game.

 

Hawes is Jack Stoll redux. How much receiving production does a TE amass when inline blocking for Saquon?

17 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Not sure if you’re familiar with The Honest NFL Twitter account (they’re a former eagles scout) but I remember when Davis was drafted them saying something along the lines of that position being a high level of importance to a Fangio scheme fwiw

Yea I know he values it, I just don’t remember a quote like that from him other than when he singled out ILB. 

Just looking at the snaps, it’s interesting how one of the changes coming out of the bye that turned the team around doesn’t get mentioned much. It’s taking Davis off the field. He was basically at 50% the first four weeks and then after the bye he was mostly in the 30’s %. So while I agree it’s important, he’s also made it clear there are limitations with how important. 

Mufasa 😍 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you look closely and think about it- hes actually saying he doesnt want good LBs.

I noticed that and assumed he either misspoke or the transcriber got it wrong lol 

3 round mock.

Maxwell Hairston

Elijah Arroyo

Josaiah Stewart

 

9 minutes ago, just relax said:

No, it’s not. If you judge a player at a single moment and set that as his worth you are, inevitably, wrong. I offer as Exhibit One, Isaac Seumalo. Exhibit Two, Nolan Smith. Both were judged as busts here and don’t deny it. That judgment was what I termed a snapshot judgment, a frozen moment, which was, inevitably, wrong. 
Well, not inevitably, but most often. Players improve. 

We have to make a decision on the fifth-year option based on three years of data and project moving forward. This is not a snap shot or judging a player at a single moment. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We have to make a decision on the fifth-year option based on three years of data and project moving forward. This is not a snap shot or judging a player at a single moment. 

its kinda crazy that what is more apropos to be called a snapshot would be the very few snaps that he is on the field. And choosing to pick up a 5th year option and possibly an extension based on that. 

here you are taking his entire body of work, and being told thats not fair and just a snapshot. While the other side decides to literally take a snapshot and say he is unquestionably worth it. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea I know he values it, I just don’t remember a quote like that from him other than when he singled out ILB. 

Just looking at the snaps, it’s interesting how one of the changes coming out of the bye that turned the team around doesn’t get mentioned much. It’s taking Davis off the field. He was basically at 50% the first four weeks and then after the bye he was mostly in the 30’s %. So while I agree it’s important, he’s also made it clear there are limitations with how important. 

Honest NFL definitely has talked up the importance NT in the Fangio gap and a half scheme, and how that allows him to keep a two safety shell. In a lot of ways, Akiem Hicks was just as important to Fangio’s Bears defense as Mack and Smith. The difference, of course, was Honest NFL’s projection of Davis eventually impacting the passing game like Hicks. That hasn’t happened, and I’m not particularly optimistic he’ll figure it out. 

I suspect Howie will pick up the fifth-year option. He picked up Barnett’s, and Davis is a much better player. Davis clearly is a useful player and there is still some theoretical untapped potential.