3 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Either McKee is more injured than thought or they are getting a decent haul for McKee and we’re not comfortable with what they had.

My initial thought was they were trading McKee. Two of the first three games, a backup would simply need to turn and hand off the ball. Besides, I'm not sure Howell coming in this late in pre-season would be any better in our offense than McCord.

Maybe this is Howie just being overly careful because he didn't want to risk relying on McCord.

Assuming it's a broken finger(torn ligament would mean surgery, this is reported as non surgery) him being out 4-6 weeks into the regular season, when he would have already missed 2 weeks of the preseason(6-8 weeks in total), that would likely be some level of break that requires surgery.

The fact that he's getting no surgery makes me think he won't miss much time. Finger breaks usually only take a few weeks to get back on the field with.

Howell is much better than McCord or DTR. That's really all we're talking about. He threw for almost 4k yards one year. I think more than any Eagles QB (not sure). I'm not saying that doesn't come with a lot of yeah buts but at least it shows he can operate an NFL offense functionally

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Howell is much better than McCord or DTR. That's really all we're talking about. He threw for almost 4k yards one year. I think more than any Eagles QB (not sure). I'm not saying that doesn't come with a lot of yeah buts but at least it shows he can operate an NFL offense functionally

Wentz threw for over 4k.

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Howell is much better than McCord or DTR. That's really all we're talking about. He threw for almost 4k yards one year. I think more than any Eagles QB (not sure). I'm not saying that doesn't come with a lot of yeah buts but at least it shows he can operate an NFL offense functionally

Hopefully we won’t need to see him in action but Howell can throw it - gunslinger type of QB from what I remember.

Suggestion Brian, suspend him for the next game.

8 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

My initial thought was they were trading McKee. Two of the first three games, a backup would simply need to turn and hand off the ball. Besides, I'm not sure Howell coming in this late in pre-season would be any better in our offense than McCord.

Maybe this is Howie just being overly careful because he didn't want to risk relying on McCord.

This is it. No reason to risk even having to go a game oe half a game with McCord when he is so incapable. A 5th and 7th when when are getting a 6th back isn't a big loss of resources especially when we have as many picks as we do in the upcoming draft.

10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Howell is much better than McCord or DTR. That's really all we're talking about. He threw for almost 4k yards one year. I think more than any Eagles QB (not sure). I'm not saying that doesn't come with a lot of yeah buts but at least it shows he can operate an NFL offense functionally

Exactly, that's all you want from a backup. Even if they see potential the kid isn't ready and tossing him in vs Dallas or the Chiefs wouldn't be good for him or the team.

Possible impact for Game 1

29 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Howell stinks. Not a fan of trading a 5th for him

They didn't trade a 5th for him. It was a 5th/6th round pick swap. They gave up a 7th in 2027 for him, big whoop.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Rap sheet:

Trade! The #Vikings are trading QB Sam Howell to the #Eagles, per me and @TomPelissero.

It’s a 5th in 2026 and 7th in 2027 to MIN, while PHI Howell and 6th in 2026. Minnesota, which recently hosted Carson Wentz on a visit, now has a QB opening. And Philly gets more QB depth.

Makes no sense at all

But ok…

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

They didn't trade a 5th for him. It was a 5th/6th round pick swap. They gave up a 7th in 2027 for him, big whoop.

Yep. Also, they wouldn't have made that trade unless it was necessary. We have to trust them.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yep. Also, they wouldn't have made that trade unless it was necessary. We have to trust them.

Unless its about an edge…

Howell struggled in his one season starting for the whatevers, but it wasn't a good team.

Given he started ahead of Brissett, he's at least in the top half of backup QBs.

65 sacks, but his OL: Leno (32), Charles, Gates, Cosmi, Wylie

Robinson RB, McLaurin, Doston, Samuel at WR, Thomas at TE.

Next season Daniels takes over at QB Even with great mobility, he was sacked 47 times.

draft Coleman LT, Allegreti LG, Biadasz C.

Robinson RB, McLaurin, Zaccheaus, Brown, WR, Ertz TE

Dumped Howell, brought in Mariota as backup QB.

Supposedly throws a good deep ball, if he has to play, a lot of play action with throws down the field to keep defenses honest.

He'll probably be in hog heaven behind this offensive line after that season in Washington.

Definitely a reclamation project as well as insurance, and McCord should probably make it to the PS, it's not like teams are going to jump on a 6th rd pick with a so-so preseason performance, and Howell is 25, McCord is 23.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Yep. Also, they wouldn't have made that trade unless it was necessary. We have to trust them.

They basically gave up a 7th for a guy who has started 18 NFL games and is a HUGE upgrade to DTR and McCord. Also, if they choose to trade McKee in the off-season they would have the inside track (if they decide they want to to) to bringing Howell back as Hurts's primary backup. I didn't expect a trade like this but with McKee banged up and his future with the team after this season and uncertain and DTR and McCord looking so bad it shouldn't have been.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Rank these coaches (presented in order of appearance):
Lombardi

Noll

Walsh

Gibbs

Belichick

Lombardi

5 titles in 10 years, never a losing season, 9-1 in the playoffs

He was also an OC who won a title and lost another finals with New York. (Landry was the DC, just nutty)

He probably would have won in Washington but he got an aggressive cancer and died at 57

Besides his first ramp up year of 7-5, his team made the playoffs 6 of 8 years and 1 of the 2 misses was 11-2-1 when only one team gets in from your division.

One way to look at Lombardi is that he was Madden + a brilliant OC + lots of titles.

Belichick - The modern game is judged by the SB. He has been the driving force on 12 SB teams with 8 wins.

He's probably a top 3 HC and DC

The 1995 Patriots were 25 28 on D in a 30 team league.

The next year he had them holding playoff teams to 3 and 6 points on the way to facing a dynasty level Packers team.

Gibbs

3 SB wins with 3 different QBs. He got bored and then conquered NASCAR too. He is brilliant.

He was also the OC for some of those awesome Dan Fouts Chargers teams, including the AFCCG team in 1980.

Walsh

Another brilliant mind who did great work in Cincy as an assistant under Paul Brown.

His offense took over the league for 20+ years and its still run in lots of places today.

His 1984 team was incredible and the 1988 team in to 1989 after he retired was even better.

The 1981 team was not the best and it won with lots of awesome coaching.

Joe Montana was the 82nd pick and Steve Young washed out of Tampa.

He obsessively drilled both of those guys into perfection.

He also cheated his ass off (scripted the first 15 plays then destroyed headsets so the other team could not use theirs is one example)

He was 8-24 in his first 2 years but he was teaching his team Offense Calculus.

5-10 other coaches

Noll

Noll's roster was just insanely loaded. 4 HoF players in the first 5 picks in 1974.

They had a pair of A+ GMS, the second was a HBCC specialist scout, Bill Nunn.

He did not revolutionize anything on either side of the ball. He was not the Xs and Os guy.

He won as often as he lost with the best team. Think of the LeBron Heat. Win some lose some. (obviously not a perfect analogy but the loaded team fits)

The architects of that team were great, and I'm sure he played some part in that.

The gameday coaching or the overall HC role was not the huge factor there IMO.

He had a fire me record of 12-30 after 3 years. (that was not completely uncommon but its ugly)

In his last 10 non-strike years he won 10+ games once.

Bonus: He also won a couple of titles as a player in Cleveland. He had 5 picks at LB one year.

He's still first ballot and in that top 12-20 range based on what they did 1972-1979, he's just graded on a curve compared to lots of other brilliant guys.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

Eagles to the rest of the league after the trade:

Congrats to Wentz. (assuming he signs now)

JJ McCarthy is completely unproven. Wentz could wind up starting there based on injury or poor performance.

He's still Wentz, good and bad, but its a nice landing spot.

Trading for a new QB is something unexpected. McKee's injury must be a main factor. The other back-up on the roster DTR did not play in the finale and they gave all the snaps to McCord, which made clear he is not ready for games. He is heading to PS. So adding a new QB is an insurance. DTR is not getting much attention is likely to be cut.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

@RememberTheKoy this trade clearly checks all the boxes of our past discussion. You were right about the likelihood of trades, and I was wrong.

Just now, SkippyX said:

Congrats to Wentz. (assuming he signs now)

JJ McCarthy is completely unproven. Wentz could wind up starting there based on injury or poor performance.

He's still Wentz, good and bad, but its a nice landing spot.

Wentz starting huh?

6 teams in last 6 years, dude sucks at this point

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

For the last 10 minutes I thought they traded for Sam Darnold, I just now realized it’s that little rat face guy from the Commies

That little "rat faced guy” has "lots of ability”, right @NOTW and @mikemack8