One of those NFL weeks. Eagles lose at home, Bills lose to Pats, and Tennessee gets its first win.

Eagles offense is not good. Looks easy to defend. Offensive line is shiite. Funny how we don't hear anyone talking about the greatness of Stoutland. Actually, not a peep about him at all during the fall of this line. Went from first to worst overnight.

I know people in the media are going to say these next 3 games should be "Easy" but playing a Division opp twice in 3 weeks is never that easy even if it is the Giants. Especially on a short week. Also the Vikings aren't terrible and Carson is 2-1. They will have to play hard these next 3 games to get to the bye 7-1.

17 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

I understand the O-Line has injury issues but Saquon only had 6 carries. I know we were up all game but that just doesn't sit right with me. We have to fine a way to be more effective in the run game. But yes O Line issues are taking the toll.

There are other ways to get him the ball. They started trying to get into a short passing game late but by then it was too late.

We have a good team but they are not last years team. The staff needs to adjust their philosophies to this years team. Currently, we are not able to completely shut out opponents on defense which means you need to win the games on offense. You need a short yardage solution to bleed the clock. You need to understand that you can't expect to get the ball back. The 4th and long after the illegal formation was essentially the game. You have to know your defense is not stopping the run well so you need to take that shot. The game dynamic changes when other teams are getting 11-15 possessions a game as compared to the 8 to 10 from last year. This years staff seems unable to adapt to this team and unable to understand the flow of the game.

Doug is available and he's good at both. I don't care what pride you have to swallow but they need to be begging him to come save them. It's not about ego, it's about doing what's best for people who look to you to lead them.

9 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

We have a good team but they are not last years team.

Completely agree! We aren’t as good as last year and over the course of the next few weeks we are going to find out whether we are closer to the 2023 team or 2025 team. And this AJ Jalen thing feels like it’s still bubbling and could just really get bad at some point.

Here where we stand. 4 Place tie for the #1 seed now. We have the Tie breaker over Tampa and the Rams. We do not play 49ers this year. We play Lions and Greenbay after the Bye week.

Conference

NFC
Seed	Team	Division	W	L	T	PCT	DIV	CONF	SOS	SOV	STK
Division leaders
1	Philadelphia Eagles	East	4	1	0	.800	1–0	3–0	.604	.605	L1
2	San Francisco 49ers	West	4	1	0	.800	3–0	4–0	.500	.450	W1
3	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	South	4	1	0	.800	1–0	2–1	.458	.368	W1
4	Detroit Lions	North	4	1	0	.800	1–1	1–1	.370	.316	W4
Wild cards
5	Green Bay Packers	North	2	1	1	.625	1–0	2–0–1	.525	.700	T1
6	Seattle Seahawks	West	3	2	0	.600	1–1	2–2	.583	.429	L1
7	Minnesota Vikings	North	3	2	0	.600	1–0	1–1	.455	.357	W1
In the hunt
8	Washington Commanders	East	3	2	0	.600	1–0	1–2	.413	.333	W1
9	Los Angeles Rams	West	3	2	0	.600	0–1	0–2	.600	.467	L1
10	Atlanta Falcons	South	2	2	0	.500	0–2	2–2	.600	.600	W1
11	Chicago Bears	North	2	2	0	.500	0–2	1–2	.525	.350	W2
12	Dallas Cowboys	East	2	2	1	.500	1–1	1–2–1	.413	.100	W1

17 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

One of those NFL weeks. Eagles lose at home, Bills lose to Pats, and Tennessee gets its first win.

Eagles offense is not good. Looks easy to defend. Offensive line is shiite. Funny how we don't hear anyone talking about the greatness of Stoutland. Actually, not a peep about him at all during the fall of this line. Went from first to worst overnight.

The offensive line didn't look bad. The run game was under utilized but Hurts had very little pressure. He had plenty of time to throw. They just didn't adjust to get people open.

16 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's getting really tiring needing to have our significantly younger and less expensive defense be the backbone of the team while the high priced offense fails to deliver the kind of production it's being paid. People tend to constantly talk about winning as a distraction from issues, but fail to talk about why we're winning. We're winning because we have a defense that minimizes the work the offense needs to do, and that's exactly why we lost yesterday. The offense cannot deliver consistent performances, and the only reason they even could somewhat last year is because Saquon Barkley had one of the most explosive seasons a RB has ever had, behind one of the greatest OL we've ever had. And I don't mean that to be rude to Barkley, but I mean that in the sense that having that kind of piece by piece perfection is very rare in the NFL.

Jalen has had that for several years. The blatant truth is that QBs that are considered great must be able to show what they could do even when things aren't perfect. If that's not the case, you're not great, you're just good.

Yea, pretty frustrating that they are paying for all of this talent on offense for them to do next to nothing.

To your point about last year, it really does show that unless you're a true dynasty like the 90s Cowboys and 49ers, the 2000s Patriots and yes, the Chiefs, most SB runs happen because either everything that needs to go right, goes right or you get some greatest ever performances from the team or player.

I think or at least I did think that this team had a lot of the pieces in place to be the next great dynasty, and it's still too early to write this team off, hell they're in first place, but right now it looks like Howie got too cute with FA, the rotating door at OC has caught up to them, the OL has both been injured and regressed across the board which means Saquon has no where to go, AJ Brown is losing his mind and Hurts is playing game management ball rather than putting the team on his back. That sounds like high expectations for Hurts, but great QBs can carry a team.

The good news is, there's still plenty of time left in the season, they are in 1st place, their only loss is to an AFC opponent and you have to think this loss is a wake up call to get them to wake up.

8 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Taking a step back, the results in the second half for the offense were not there but this was a step forward from the passing game relative to second half last week.

Are there things to fix - for sure. We still had 3 straight 3 and outs, after a drive with 1 first down which simply cant happen. But there were signs of life:

• Deep shot to AJ was close - just need to get our two key guys on the same page

• RPO worked but for OL being downfield

• The 4th down play worked but for penalty on Saquon

• The made some (but not enough) plays in desperation mode

Yes there are execution issues to fix: penalties, run blocking, sacks / holding on to the ball, more balanced play-calling BUT this wasn't as bad a 2nd bad half showing as last week (and yes - that is a very low base to compare from)

This is the kind of silver lining a team like the Giants reach for in the midst of a rebuild. The key is this:

• Deep shot missed.

• RPO failed because OL was downfield.

• 4th down play failed, because of the penalty.

• Desperation mode is never where you want to be, ad they put themselves in that spot because of the above.

• 17 points on offense. That's not good enough. There's no silver lining for that.

In yesterday's games, only the Raiders (6), Chargers (10), Ravens (10), Giants (14) and Browns (17) scored fewer or the same number of points. This offense has more talent than that... way more talent. Unacceptable, especially with the money spent on that side of the ball. No excuses.

12 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

Here where we stand. 4 Place tie for the #1 seed now. We have the Tie breaker over Tampa and the Rams. We do not play 49ers this year. We play Lions and Greenbay after the Bye week.

Conference

NFC
Seed	Team	Division	W	L	T	PCT	DIV	CONF	SOS	SOV	STK
Division leaders
1	Philadelphia Eagles	East	4	1	0	.800	1–0	3–0	.604	.605	L1
2	San Francisco 49ers	West	4	1	0	.800	3–0	4–0	.500	.450	W1
3	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	South	4	1	0	.800	1–0	2–1	.458	.368	W1
4	Detroit Lions	North	4	1	0	.800	1–1	1–1	.370	.316	W4
Wild cards
5	Green Bay Packers	North	2	1	1	.625	1–0	2–0–1	.525	.700	T1
6	Seattle Seahawks	West	3	2	0	.600	1–1	2–2	.583	.429	L1
7	Minnesota Vikings	North	3	2	0	.600	1–0	1–1	.455	.357	W1
In the hunt
8	Washington Commanders	East	3	2	0	.600	1–0	1–2	.413	.333	W1
9	Los Angeles Rams	West	3	2	0	.600	0–1	0–2	.600	.467	L1
10	Atlanta Falcons	South	2	2	0	.500	0–2	2–2	.600	.600	W1
11	Chicago Bears	North	2	2	0	.500	0–2	1–2	.525	.350	W2
12	Dallas Cowboys	East	2	2	1	.500	1–1	1–2–1	.413	.100	W1

Our season is more messed up than a soup sandwich and our offense is as functional as a screendoor on a submarine.

3 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

I know people in the media are going to say these next 3 games should be "Easy" but playing a Division opp twice in 3 weeks is never that easy even if it is the Giants. Especially on a short week. Also the Vikings aren't terrible and Carson is 2-1. They will have to play hard these next 3 games to get to the bye 7-1.

Unless the coaching staff changes their philosophy, every game is going to be hard this year

16 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Completely agree! We aren’t as good as last year and over the course of the next few weeks we are going to find out whether we are closer to the 2023 team or 2025 team. And this AJ Jalen thing feels like it’s still bubbling and could just really get bad at some point.

This is the root of the issue. We're averaging 28mins of possession the last three and we only possessed the ball just under 26mins in the last game. You can't control games if you don't have the football. It's like we're back in the Chump Kelly days. We averaged 32min/game last year.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, pretty frustrating that they are paying for all of this talent on offense for them to do next to nothing.

To your point about last year, it really does show that unless you're a true dynasty like the 90s Cowboys and 49ers, the 2000s Patriots and yes, the Chiefs, most SB runs happen because either everything that needs to go right, goes right or you get some greatest ever performances from the team or player.

I think or at least I did think that this team had a lot of the pieces in place to be the next great dynasty, and it's still too early to write this team off, hell they're in first place, but right now it looks like Howie got too cute with FA, the rotating door at OC has caught up to them, the OL has both been injured and regressed across the board which means Saquon has no where to go, AJ Brown is losing his mind and Hurts is playing game management ball rather than putting the team on his back. That sounds like high expectations for Hurts, but great QBs can carry a team.

The good news is, there's still plenty of time left in the season, they are in 1st place, their only loss is to an AFC opponent and you have to think this loss is a wake up call to get them to wake up.

Actually, after thinking on it, there's probably exactly one reason things look so rough. It's because the expectations have started to go in reverse, and people have bought into it.

In the old days, coaches had their philosophies. You fit their philosophies and that was what they asked of you. There was a checklist of things you needed to be able to do, and if you couldn't do those things, you weren't their guy. Fangio still operates like this, it's an old school mentality. He's a little lighter than the old version of that and doesn't scream at people, but he's blunt and you need to do what he asks. He dictates what the players are doing, not the other way around.

On the offensive side of the ball, though, there's been people who have mentioned more than once that not only has Jalen says that the offense is how he likes, but also that many people said that the offense is designed around Jalen. In other words, it's the opposite: Jalen's skillset is dictating to the coaches what they should be doing, not the other way around. Because of this, there's no lines in the sand that Jalen must improve on, or be more comfortable with, so we have progress. Progress is important even after a Super Bowl win because offense vs defense is a cat and mouse game - no progress, and you get left behind.

To me, this is probably the reality of what's going on. The continuous woes on offense and passing seem like to me a situation where there's not enough dictation from the offensive staff down to the QB. And if I had to guess why, it's probably the FO - Roseman, people like that, I think they prioritize keeping their QB comfortable, which is also why they spend so much more on offensive amenities than defensive ones. It's probably an overcorrection to the Carson Wentz situation.

I think that's why the defense can be consistently good and even pick up slack when losing people, but offensive playcallers (even Moore) seem to get worse at the passing part of the game when coming into the Eagles orbit, despite the overwhelming talent we have to work with.

Winning is all that matters is a dual edged sword - it promotes selflessness, but also promotes complacency when you reach the peak of the mountain.

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

They were leading for most of the game... so that may have been by design, not necessarily something to fix. My concern is more about what happened AFTER the ball was snapped not WHEN it was snapped.

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

Actually, after thinking on it, there's probably exactly one reason things look so rough. It's because the expectations have started to go in reverse, and people have bought into it.


To me, this is probably the reality of what's going on. The continuous woes on offense and passing seem like to me a situation where there's not enough dictation from the offensive staff down to the QB. And if I had to guess why, it's probably the FO - Roseman, people like that, I think they prioritize keeping their QB comfortable, which is also why they spend so much more on offensive amenities than defensive ones. It's probably an overcorrection to the Carson Wentz situation.

So they are paying big money to two top WRs to placate a QB that's more than happy to NOT throw the ball to them?

17 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The offensive line didn't look bad. The run game was under utilized but Hurts had very little pressure. He had plenty of time to throw. They just didn't adjust to get people open.

6 sacks, hit many more times. The line didn't look good.

9 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

The sky isn’t falling for the Eagles,, but it’s not that they lost that’s annoying people. It’s that based on their talent they should be producing way better. They are the most talented team in the NFL. Doesn’t mean they won’t figure it out at some point, but there’s a reason a lot of guys in that locker room are frustrated even at 4-1. Their own players and coaches know they should be much better than they have been.

This. And it's been like this since week 1

But any complaints or criticism were ignored because we were winning. People can't stick their head in the sand now

22 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

Here where we stand. 4 Place tie for the #1 seed now. We have the Tie breaker over Tampa and the Rams. We do not play 49ers this year. We play Lions and Greenbay after the Bye week.

Conference

NFC
Seed	Team	Division	W	L	T	PCT	DIV	CONF	SOS	SOV	STK
Division leaders
1	Philadelphia Eagles	East	4	1	0	.800	1–0	3–0	.604	.605	L1
2	San Francisco 49ers	West	4	1	0	.800	3–0	4–0	.500	.450	W1
3	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	South	4	1	0	.800	1–0	2–1	.458	.368	W1
4	Detroit Lions	North	4	1	0	.800	1–1	1–1	.370	.316	W4
Wild cards
5	Green Bay Packers	North	2	1	1	.625	1–0	2–0–1	.525	.700	T1
6	Seattle Seahawks	West	3	2	0	.600	1–1	2–2	.583	.429	L1
7	Minnesota Vikings	North	3	2	0	.600	1–0	1–1	.455	.357	W1
In the hunt
8	Washington Commanders	East	3	2	0	.600	1–0	1–2	.413	.333	W1
9	Los Angeles Rams	West	3	2	0	.600	0–1	0–2	.600	.467	L1
10	Atlanta Falcons	South	2	2	0	.500	0–2	2–2	.600	.600	W1
11	Chicago Bears	North	2	2	0	.500	0–2	1–2	.525	.350	W2
12	Dallas Cowboys	East	2	2	1	.500	1–1	1–2–1	.413	.100	W1

Wow. Thanks for the update captain obvious. Pretty sure no one had to look that up to figure that out. No wonder @EaglePhan1986 likes you

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

6 sacks, hit many more times. The line didn't look good.

Hurts running out of bounds behind the LOS wasn't smart. Should have thrown it away

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So they are paying big money to two top WRs to placate a QB that's more than happy to NOT throw the ball to them?

I don't think Jalen said "I want two top WRs", it's more like wanting to make sure he has everything he could need for support, all the weapons he could ask for, stuff like that. Jalen doesn't seem to be very dramatic, so I don't think it's directly placating them so much as the way that the FO has handled QBs to try to keep them around and 'prevent problems before they start', sort of more like PTSD overcorrection for Wentz.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is the kind of silver lining a team like the Giants reach for in the midst of a rebuild. The key is this:

• Deep shot missed.

• RPO failed because OL was downfield.

• 4th down play failed, because of the penalty.

• Desperation mode is never where you want to be, ad they put themselves in that spot because of the above.

• 17 points on offense. That's not good enough. There's no silver lining for that.

In yesterday's games, only the Raiders (6), Chargers (10), Ravens (10), Giants (14) and Browns (17) scored fewer or the same number of points. This offense has more talent than that... way more talent. Unacceptable, especially with the money spent on that side of the ball. No excuses.

I am unclear why they didn't go for it again on 4th down. It seems like that was statistically the better choice. If they had missed the conversion, they would have been in essentially the same position as they were in with more time on the clock.

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

6 sacks, hit many more times. The line didn't look good.

Pretty sad that the Broncos had more sacks in this game than the Eagles have all year.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Hurts running out of bounds behind the LOS wasn't smart. Should have thrown it away

He never throws it away. Dumb f loves eating sacks. Eats more sacks then @mikemack8 on a Friday night

4 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Wow. Thanks for the update captain obvious. Pretty sure no one had to look that up to figure that out. No wonder @EaglePhan1986 likes you

You still hammered, princess?

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

You still hammered, princess?

A little bit. Hbu?

A few things the day after.

• The O comes across as passive and staid. It has little to no bite or attitude to it. The players and coaches are doing their jobs, but it feels a little passionless and motion going through at times. Some of the teams leaders need to doing the not fun part of leading

• Speaking of. If players can't get along to even talk (not taking sides), then the HC and Owner need to take control. Can't have players acting like toddlers; in the same you can't in the real world

• Replacing Patullo now isn't going to do anything now the season is in motion. Any changes need to come internally, whether it be focusing on swifter play calling or utilising Loefhler's experience as a College HC. If it means Sirianni spends less time chatting ish on the sidelines, he needs to do it.

• The FO made the right calls on the roster in the offseason - perhaps not the optimal short term decisions, but they trapped themselves before after the last SB win. The team has to know what they have in Steen, Ringo etc as it will them in future years.

• I hope they don't pull another random in season trade. They barely work at this time of year.

• Officiating is still to random number generatorish. Fans and teams deserve better