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Vikings 30 Eagles 17

Hurts sacked 5x

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23 eagles

20 vikings

elliot with a late fg to seal it

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I just think the chances are low that the player you get contributes vs. what you are giving up to get him.

Yep. You are in the lap of the gods. But it can't get any worse than a 3rd round pick for Golden Tate. Or whatever was traded for Kevin Byard <shudder>

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Eagles 31

Vikings 17

Eagles 3 sacks on Wentz

Wentz 2 picks

Hurts 3 passing TDs over 20 yards

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Foles was limited as a QB, McKee isn't. I want McKee playing QB.

I feel like this needs some elaboration, but .....

You want McKee playing QB as in next season, or this Sunday?

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

@mattwill

Vikings 30 Eagles 17

Hurts sacked 5x

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Yup

But the way to punish them for that is the qb to keep it and run more often. Force them out of it.

But with so much zone the back 6/7 (see what i did there?) have their eyes on the qb instead of turning their back to the qb

Defenses seem to be keying on Saquon, so the solution RPO-wise is to take more risk in the air or with QB hits.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I feel like this needs some elaboration, but .....

You want McKee playing QB as in next season, or this Sunday?

No. What I mean is they designed a scheme around Foles' limitations, they don't have to do that with McKee, who has the arm to make every throw.

Note that no one runs the RPO on a regular basis, if it worked that well, it would be a standard look like the WCO.

It's a good way to get your QB killed, I'd defend it like Buddy Ryan did the "chuck and duck," just pound the QB.

Kelce commented on the situation, stating, "I think at the end of the day if Brandon in his heart wants to come back, I think the Eagles should damn sure give him that opportunity because I think they need that," as reported on

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

No. What I mean is they designed a scheme around Foles' limitations, they don't have to do that with McKee, who has the arm to make every throw.

Note that no one runs the RPO on a regular basis, if it worked that well, it would be a standard look like the WCO.

It's a good way to get your QB killed, I'd defend it like Buddy Ryan did the "chuck and duck," just pound the QB.

Who is running the WCO now?

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Things get worse before they get better BUT they do get better

I hope BG doesn't come back. He had a storybook ending to his career, coming back from tearing his tricep (and re-tearing it in the SB) and winning a 2nd ring. This is another area where the idea sounds better than whatever the results would be. If he wants to come back and insists, fine. But I wouldn't put any pressure on him that he has to.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Who is running the WCO now?

We don't, as I think of the WCO as horizontal and timing based - we pass vertically for the most part and without timing.

Maybe the Shanahan offenses are the closest derivative at this point with zone blocking featured rather than power/gap.

@vikas83 is that what you had?

Not only is he coming back

Mailata said the players need to get their focus back and do your job. Reed on the Exciting Mics podcast below said they needed the mini-bye to get refreshed, and that they need to focus more in practice because what you do in practice shows up in the game. Reed said even in walkthroughs, pay attention to all the details.

Those are things the players have to take accountability for, but also the coaches. No matter how talented, the coaches still need to run things properly.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Not only is he coming back

It's just so he's not in a lame duck year. He also said they are hiring a bench coach so his job certainly isn't safe.

It gets better Philly fans. How can we ruin Michkov?

Just wanted to say the Birds have won every Super Bowl played in the Vikings current stadium.

That has no bearing on what’s to come Sunday but I wanted to point it out anyway.

Carry on…

20 hours ago, austinfan said:

I wouidn't. None was very good at reading a defense and depending on their athleticism and seeing open guys and rifling the ball to them.

Randall played with one of the great defenses in NFL history, McNabb had an OL almost as good as Hurts (not as good run blocking, better pass blockers).

I think the real issue with Hurts is he's had it drummed into him to avoid turnovers to the extent that he's overly cautious, but as the SBs showed, when he had to open up his game . . .

Honestly, Hurts pre snap vs post snap is Jekyll and Hyde right now. Also every game so far this year he’s needed to ‘open his game up’. He’s struggling too, a lot due to playcalling. But he’s struggling.

Is it Jalen not wanting to pass over the middle, or is it play design? Don't see many slang and gos or shallow crossers called. Hard to throw over the middle if no receivers are there!

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I hope BG doesn't come back. He had a storybook ending to his career, coming back from tearing his tricep (and re-tearing it in the SB) and winning a 2nd ring. This is another area where the idea sounds better than whatever the results would be. If he wants to come back and insists, fine. But I wouldn't put any pressure on him that he has to.

I just think it would be awful if he got injured playing for a team that looks like it is totally unable to repeat as Champions.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope. You are conflating the RPO with an RO. Nick Foles was highly effective in an RPO style offense, and no one ever accused Nick of being agile.

Kind of hard to be agile dragging that thang around.

4 minutes ago, eaglelen said:

Is it Jalen not wanting to pass over the middle, or is it play design? Don't see many slang and gos or shallow crossers called. Hard to throw over the middle if no receivers are there!

I remember Siriannis first year when he was calling plays early on and every pass was basically bubble screen or soemthing in the flat. Some of it might be because Jalen doesn’t like to or can’t throw over the middle but there’s evidence Sirianni loves short passes outside the hashes.

3 minutes ago, eaglelen said:

Is it Jalen not wanting to pass over the middle, or is it play design? Don't see many slang and gos or shallow crossers called. Hard to throw over the middle if no receivers are there!

It's a chicken and the egg question that we can't answer. We know that they take his input into consideration and that 'the offense looks the way I (Jalen) want it to look'. So, if that's the case, if Jalen wanted to throw more over the middle, they'd incorporate more routes there. If he doesn't, they don't. So, could the reason that there aren't a lot of options there because they aren't designed to be? Yes. Is that because Jalen doesn't want to pass over the middle? A strong argument could be made. Nothing definitive, but absolutely seems to be connected. And if we decide never to run routes between the hashes, that makes us that much easier to defend.

It needs to be fixed.