7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Maybe there's a book he could read that might help him get his mind straightened out.

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the move to extend Jurgens is a better long-term deal than signing Becton would have been. As good as Becton was last season, I am not sure having him would fix the issues with the run games. I don't understand your point on Kinnard and Booker. Kinnard is a JAG. The Eagles got a 6th round pick for him. They essentially got back a 6th round pick for the 7th they traded for Fred Johnson. Booker was a depth piece at DT. He's not lighting it up in Vegas. They have Ojomo, Young, Robinson and Hall. If Bennett gets healthy and contributes, that trade is a win. I think Howie would have rather had Rodgers. I understand about the draft picks. I would rather he not have made the trade for Bigsby.

The reality is most teams don't have the depth the Eagles have at most positions. We have legitimate all-pro talent at every level of the defense and offense. It's hard to put any of the decline in the play this season on the GM that built such a talented team.

Young, Robinson and Hall equals nothing right now. Rather have Booker than a 6th rounder right now. Howie had to give up a pick for a guy he let go in Johnson. Kinnard is playing well in GB at swing guard/tackle. He's playing great in running game as matter of fact. Would come in handy for Dickerson and other injuries. Better than Pryor and Toth as a reserve. All of these are little moves that are hurting depth that have played here and are still young. Regarding Becton and Jurgens. I would have signed Becton and waited on Jurgens, especially with back surgery. Not like they got a big discount for him. Currently earning top 2 money. Becton is a short term deal. Could have kept both even. I don't think Bennett has shown much. More hopium there. Will see.

Still can see our way out of this. But he's on a bad streak right now with trades. May need some free agents like Samuel, CJGJ or Simmons. Probably wants to wait long as possible, due to money and seeing what we have.

Howie has not had a good offseason in my book. And I commend his past offseasons, not this one.

Just to be clear, the Eagles are probably the deepest team in the league and have exceptional depth, especially for a team that has a QB on a large 2nd contract and very highly paid starters on offense everywhere (2 WRs, highest paid RB, 4 of 5 offensive lineman and a $10mm tight end). We are getting away with this because we have crushed it on defense in the draft since 2022: Davis, Dean and Reed (UDFA) in 2022; Carter, Nolan and Ojomo in 2023; Q, Coop and Hunt in 2024; and Jihaad and Mukuba in 2025. 9 of our 11 starters on defense are on rookie deals and are 2022 or later -- only Baun and Jackson aren't. Our 2024 depth was insane and abnormal because of this -- we still had guys like Milt and Gainwell from 2021 on cheap deals. But our depth is still the envy of the league, other than the secondary:

OL: Fred Johnson as backup tackle is one of the best in the game for a swing tackle. Matt Pryor started 15 games and played well for the Bears last year and is a backup here. We are young at backup center (Kendall and Lampkin), and for some godforsaken reason we keep trotting Toth out there. The focus on drafting defense has hit OL depth a little, but we still have top flight backups at tackle and guard (if we use them).

WR: We have Dotson and Metchie, a 1st and 2nd rounder, as our 3rd and 4th WR. Cooper coming back from IR.

RB: Bigsby was productive as a RB in Jacksonville, and Shipley is a solid RB3. Dillon was inactive last week and did well with limited touches earlier this year.

DT: Carter, Davis and Ojomo is one of the strongest groups in the league. Robinson and Young as the 4th and 5th defensive tackles...they barely get any snaps.

Edge: Injuries have piled up here, but once Nolan comes back, we are 6 deep -- Smith/Hunt/BG/Uche/Ojulari/P Johnson. PJ may not be long for the roster unless Azeez is going to IR.

LB: I mean, we are struggling to get all the guys on the field here. Hopefully Trotter is OK.

CB: We have 2 studs, and then a bunch of trash. Counting on Ringo backfired, but it wasn't a terrible gamble. Hopefully Bennett shows something when he comes back.

S: Bringing back Epps helped, but could use a body here.

As for the guys who left:

MW: The idea that we would give him a 4 year, $104mm deal with $61mm guaranteed...you basically do that if you are going to let JC go. Or lose both JD and NS, It was a MASSIVE overpay by NE. It's insane to even talk about it.

JS: Again, no way we were giving him 4 years, $76mm with $41mm gteed. In 2024, no one wanted to trade for him and he took a price cut. Add in the knee condition...letting MW and JS go were no brainers.

MB: I think the Eagles were committed to (i) not paying all 5 line positions and (ii) seeing what they had in Steen, who has been good so far this year. 2 years, $20mm with only $6.94mm guaranteed was doable IMO, but I get letting him walk and not having 5 OL on a 2nd contract. Should note that the Chargers' fans (all 10 of them) think he's a bust: https://www.si.com/nfl/chargers/chargers-worst-nightmare-free-agent-signing-coming-true-mekhi-becton and he has struggled to stay healhy.

IR: He was the guy I would have brought back, and reports are we tried. I am guessing he wouldn't have been guaranteed the starting spot here. Again, the miss on Ringo had ripple effects. We also did just torch him on Sunday.

You can't have all pro backups everywhere, and none of the guys we let go are that missed. We had EXCEPTIONAL health last year, and our depth is being challenged more this year. But compared to the rest of the league...it's not close, we have much better depth.

2 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

He's just retarded.

This is me really going out on a limb, but he strikes me as player who doesn't love his profession. He loves being better than the guys covering him and the only way that itch gets scratched is by putting up big numbers against them. He admitted that winning the SB was a let down and did not fulfill him. The opposite side of that is a player like Nolan Smith who just exudes loving what he does for a living.

2 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

using years vs games played is a tad misleading.

you're including his 1st three seasons where he played behind ja'qua parker and jason babin and tore his acl. he also missed 14 games in 2021.

Sure. One pro bowl appearance in 15 years as well. 0 all-pro honors. Mostly average but great leader.

2 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Sure. One pro bowl appearance in 15 years as well. 0 all-pro honors. Mostly average but great leader.

🤣

One fifth of roster is not good or resembling depth.

Dillon

Toth

Brown

Jackson

Nickerson

Pryor

Young

Ringo

Robinson

Patrick Johnson

Have seen very little contributions from any of them. And many have had their chances and shown nothing. And now we have to scrape off Brandon Graham off the ground. Need much more. This is not a Superbowl team. Yet!!!

27 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes. Scumbags, drug users, domestic violence offenders, other arrests etc.

Spitting stats as old as the DAL NFCCG drought...c'mon man.

The team with the most arrests since 2000? Vikings. This is from June '25

Edit...Broncos are #1, my bad. The Vikings were leading in '24

8 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

This is me really going out on a limb, but he strikes me as player who doesn't love his profession. He loves being better than the guys covering him and the only way that itch gets scratched is by putting up big numbers against them. He admitted that winning the SB was a let down and did not fulfill him. The opposite side of that is a player like Nolan Smith who just exudes loving what he does for a living.

Yeah, I just really don't care enough to even keep speculating on it.

Attention seeking, self sabotage, depression.....whatever. I don't care.

He isn't a team player and these antics / cryptic posts etc are counterproductive for a team trying to build positive momentum.

Make one last run at a SB this year with him and send him packing. Take that drama and declining on-field play somewhere else.

Give me any draft picks we can get.

If last week's AJ Brown is the version we get then, I keep him for at least a couple more years. Unless we absolutely get a desperate offer you can't pass up in the interim. Probably would not revisit that idea til after next season. This will be TO all over again and we regress once he leaves. Always hated McNabb and his ego and not knowing what to do with TO. Cost us a couple potential championships. Devonta is great, partly because of AJ. Put Dotson there and he's blanketed all game. This team has taken alot of hits to the talent level. Can't even fathom what we look like without him. This is a precipitous fall if not careful.

42 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Just to be clear, the Eagles are probably the deepest team in the league and have exceptional depth, especially for a team that has a QB on a large 2nd contract and very highly paid starters on offense everywhere (2 WRs, highest paid RB, 4 of 5 offensive lineman and a $10mm tight end). We are getting away with this because we have crushed it on defense in the draft since 2022: Davis, Dean and Reed (UDFA) in 2022; Carter, Nolan and Ojomo in 2023; Q, Coop and Hunt in 2024; and Jihaad and Mukuba in 2025. 9 of our 11 starters on defense are on rookie deals and are 2022 or later -- only Baun and Jackson aren't. Our 2024 depth was insane and abnormal because of this -- we still had guys like Milt and Gainwell from 2021 on cheap deals. But our depth is still the envy of the league, other than the secondary:

OL: Fred Johnson as backup tackle is one of the best in the game for a swing tackle. Matt Pryor started 15 games and played well for the Bears last year and is a backup here. We are young at backup center (Kendall and Lampkin), and for some godforsaken reason we keep trotting Toth out there. The focus on drafting defense has hit OL depth a little, but we still have top flight backups at tackle and guard (if we use them).

WR: We have Dotson and Metchie, a 1st and 2nd rounder, as our 3rd and 4th WR. Cooper coming back from IR.

RB: Bigsby was productive as a RB in Jacksonville, and Shipley is a solid RB3. Dillon was inactive last week and did well with limited touches earlier this year.

DT: Carter, Davis and Ojomo is one of the strongest groups in the league. Robinson and Young as the 4th and 5th defensive tackles...they barely get any snaps.

Edge: Injuries have piled up here, but once Nolan comes back, we are 6 deep -- Smith/Hunt/BG/Uche/Ojulari/P Johnson. PJ may not be long for the roster unless Azeez is going to IR.

LB: I mean, we are struggling to get all the guys on the field here. Hopefully Trotter is OK.

CB: We have 2 studs, and then a bunch of trash. Counting on Ringo backfired, but it wasn't a terrible gamble. Hopefully Bennett shows something when he comes back.

S: Bringing back Epps helped, but could use a body here.

As for the guys who left:

MW: The idea that we would give him a 4 year, $104mm deal with $61mm guaranteed...you basically do that if you are going to let JC go. Or lose both JD and NS, It was a MASSIVE overpay by NE. It's insane to even talk about it.

JS: Again, no way we were giving him 4 years, $76mm with $41mm gteed. In 2024, no one wanted to trade for him and he took a price cut. Add in the knee condition...letting MW and JS go were no brainers.

MB: I think the Eagles were committed to (i) not paying all 5 line positions and (ii) seeing what they had in Steen, who has been good so far this year. 2 years, $20mm with only $6.94mm guaranteed was doable IMO, but I get letting him walk and not having 5 OL on a 2nd contract. Should note that the Chargers' fans (all 10 of them) think he's a bust: https://www.si.com/nfl/chargers/chargers-worst-nightmare-free-agent-signing-coming-true-mekhi-becton and he has struggled to stay healhy.

IR: He was the guy I would have brought back, and reports are we tried. I am guessing he wouldn't have been guaranteed the starting spot here. Again, the miss on Ringo had ripple effects. We also did just torch him on Sunday.

You can't have all pro backups everywhere, and none of the guys we let go are that missed. We had EXCEPTIONAL health last year, and our depth is being challenged more this year. But compared to the rest of the league...it's not close, we have much better depth.

I wanted to like this twice.

26 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Spitting stats as old as the DAL NFCCG drought...c'mon man.

The team with the most arrests since 2000? Vikings. This is from June '25

Edit...Broncos are #1, my bad. The Vikings were leading in '24

The boys are just lurking, waiting for the crack comeback and ensuing rampage.

29 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

One fifth of roster is not good or resembling depth.

Dillon

Toth

Brown

Jackson

Nickerson

Pryor

Young

Ringo

Robinson

Patrick Johnson

Have seen very little contributions from any of them. And many have had their chances and shown nothing. And now we have to scrape off Brandon Graham off the ground. Need much more. This is not a Superbowl team. Yet!!!

And how does this compare to other rosters around the league?

Our 2024 roster was an aberration of greatness. We are still considered to have top-5, if not the most talent in the league.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The boys are just lurking, waiting for the crack comeback and ensuing rampage.

😆 They're gonna have to sell the "White House" in Valley Ranch to buy one in Frisco next to The Star. Crazy times...

31 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Spitting stats as old as the DAL NFCCG drought...c'mon man.

The team with the most arrests since 2000? Vikings. This is from June '25

Edit...Broncos are #1, my bad. The Vikings were leading in '24

Look, we still get clowned on about Santa and snow balls over 50 years later. Dallas is the home of repeat offenders, you are just going to have to own it.

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Insufferable.

32 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Spitting stats as old as the DAL NFCCG drought...c'mon man.

The team with the most arrests since 2000? Vikings. This is from June '25

Edit...Broncos are #1, my bad. The Vikings were leading in '24

Also, Jerry waiting to sign Greg Hardy after he was arrested

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Look, we still get clowned on about Santa and snow balls over 50 years later. Dallas is the home of repeat offenders, you are just going to have to own it.

LOL...absolutely...they had a stretch there where they couldn't stay out of jail.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And how does this compare to other rosters around the league?

Our 2024 roster was an aberration of greatness. We are still considered to have top-5, if not the most talent in the league.

We have some top-tier talent which can mask things. Some of it is getting older and beat up on the offensive side. I am not under this high that we are super talented. This team is way different than last year. Alot of this depth is practice squad quality depth, not replacement level, where if there is an injury we can't relax much. It's showing up some in these first seven games. There's many spots like that on this team. Where if just one guy misses time we will feel it. Could literally put you out of the playoffs. It's a fine line.

4 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Exactly. There's no downside to this at all

It started as "oh it was a storybook ending, he should ride off into the sunset"...and now it's revisionist history saying he was playing poorly or is washed up.

I'm sticking with the first part. It really was a perfect ending for his career, just like Brent Celek had a perfect ending to his. Walking away a champion is hard to do. Kelce came back in 2023 because of how close they were in 2022. I truly believe that had they won in 2022, he'd have retired right then. But then he came back trying to get the second ring and had to endure that craptastic end to his career with the dumpster fire that the 2023 season turned into.

The shame to BG's last year would have been that he ended it on IR... but then he came back for the SB... contributed there and got the ring. Though, I can understand him wanting to come back and really leave on his terms given the injury stole the last half of that season from him.

He's not a savior for the defense, but he is a body that can set the edge, something this run defense really needs, especially with Nolan Smith still on IR.

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Thanks to all the retired numbers, Brandon Graham is going to come back and have to take something stupid in the 50's

Nailed it.

4 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Seriously Howie was working with a very limited budget with the future in mind and made some bets that didn't work. Can they be discussed critically? Of course. But it feels like every player that doesn't work out or every drive that doesn't produce points or even an incomplete pass is treated like it's an egregious offense these days.

4 straight 3 and outs is egregious. This team has had some egregiously bad stretches this year.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And how does this compare to other rosters around the league?

Our 2024 roster was an aberration of greatness. We are still considered to have top-5, if not the most talent in the league.

Also, let's go through this player by player just to be clear:

Dillon -- RB3, had a decent YPC, now RB4 and inactive. But 5 YPC is very nice for the 4TH RUNNING BACK

Toth -- I have no idea why Stout loves him, guess the versatility. I wouldn't have him on the 53

Sydney Brown -- core special teamer, backup safety. Lost out to Mukuba

Adoree Jackson -- we're calling our CB2 a back of the roster guy? He's not great, but he's worthy of being on a roster, just not starting

Nickerson -- he'll be cut when Bennett comes off IR

Young -- not a huge fan, but he's DT4 and barely plays

Robinson -- he's a rookie FFS

Pryor -- he sucked at RT because he's not a tackle. He's a very good backup guard

Ringo -- he sucks, they were wrong on a 4th round pick

P Johnson -- core special teamer who also has a sack

The new angle they are going with to ban the tush push