5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yeah, but in the world where AJ Brown voluntarily writes a $25mm check to the Eagles, I will have a growth spurt at 46, be 6'3", and sign to play WR for the Eagles.

Honestly, I'm not sure if he can actually give money already paid back to facilitate a trade. No clue if the rules allow it since there is no chance of it ever happening.

The NFLPA would almost surely step in too I'd imagine

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

The NFLPA would almost surely step in too I'd imagine

Never heard of a player being able to pay a team. Id assume itd have to be voiding future money somehow.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

A 3rd for Phillips is dumb. A 4th for Chubb has been my preference for a while.

I cant wait till next week when we have Chubb and Mile Garretts

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

A 3rd for Phillips is dumb. A 4th for Chubb has been my preference for a while.

I cant wait till next week when we have Chubb and Mile Garretts

A Mile long Chubb?

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Picks and Gonzalez is fine with me. Not that I am in favor of trading him, but hypothetically speaking.

Obviously its impossible to do, financially, for the eagles.

But I wondered if there is some way AJ can help the eagles swallow that pill if he wants out badly enough.

Because of the way the team has structured all the contracts since about 3 years ago (all vet minimum salaries w/ g'teed OB's and early triggers) there's not much the player can do to save the team cap money and grease the skids for a trade.

However, I don't think AJ's dead cap money would dissuade them from trading him this offseason if they got an offer they felt they couldn't refuse. They are carrying $85M in dead cap this year, which is 29.3% of their cap. If they traded AJ this offseason prior to 6/1 they would have $98M in dead cap in 2026, but it would only be about 30.9% of their cap (only a 1.6% increase). By waiting until after 6/1 (not likely since the team trading for him would want him in the building as early as possible and the Eagles would want a 2025 draft pick), those numbers go to $71M and 22.4% respectively (but adds $27M in dead space to the 2027 cap)

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

A 3rd for Phillips is dumb. A 4th for Chubb has been my preference for a while.

I cant wait till next week when we have Chubb and Mile Garretts

I don't know if a 4 gets it done for Chubb. Might have to be a 3 and maybe get something back. My hope would be Aziz gets tossed in to lower pick a bit

Agree with Banner. Howie has shown his cards. He was gonna give up the farm for Parsons and he's been loosely trading from draft stash from beginning of the year. Looks like he is willing to trade all kinds of draft picks to improve this team. As he should. Can't keep 'em all. I'd be mad if he wasn't trying to make major upgrades for 2025 roster. He's in a great position to do so.

1 minute ago, erformc said:

Because of the way the team has structured all the contracts since about 3 years ago (all vet minimum salaries w/ g'teed OB's and early triggers) there's not much the player can do to save the team cap money and grease the skids for a trade.

However, I don't think AJ's dead cap money would dissuade them from trading him this offseason if they got an offer they felt they couldn't refuse. They are carrying $85M in dead cap this year, which is 29.3% of their cap. If they traded AJ this offseason prior to 6/1 they would have $98M in dead cap in 2026, but it would only be about 30.9% of their cap (only a 1.6% increase). By waiting until after 6/1 (not likely since the team trading for him would want him in the building as early as possible and the Eagles would want a 2025 draft pick), those numbers go to $71M and 22.4% respectively (but adds $27M in dead space to the 2027 cap)

I dont even give a S about dead cap usually. For the most part, its a tool that works for us rather than against us. But I understand there comes a point when the dead cap is taking away too much of your actual cap space. From what I understand thanks to @vikas83 the cap space will be minimal. Trading AJ prevents us from retaining young talent, and signing more. Essentially tanking the next 2 years. It wouldnt make sense.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The NFLPA would almost surely step in too I'd imagine

That's an interesting question, as I read it as long as an individual contract complies with the CBA, a player can voluntarily agree to pretty much anything. If anything the league itself may step in if the Eagles suddenly got a ton of dead cap relief to facilitate a trade.

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

That's an interesting question, as I read it as long as an individual contract complies with the CBA, a player can voluntarily agree to pretty much anything. If anything the league itself may step in if the Eagles suddenly got a ton of dead cap relief to facilitate a trade.

I have no idea what type of power they would hold in this specific scenario that almost surely will never happen. I would just think they would try to do something and not have this precedent set.

The only times I can remember of players giving back money is due to retirement and being forced to by the team.

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Never heard of a player being able to pay a team. Id assume itd have to be voiding future money somehow.

Yeah you can’t change what has been paid. Only caveat would be if the player did something that voided the bonus like get suspended for a year which is sometimes in contracts but it rarely happens

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have no idea what type of power they would hold in this specific scenario that almost surely will never happen. I would just think they would try to do something and not have this precedent set.

The only times I can remember of players giving back money is due to retirement and being forced to by the team.

In the case of retirement, the player is being forced to give up money. In this hypotentical AJ Brown question- he would be getting what he wants. Out of Philly, and a truck load of new money from his next team. I cant see what the NFLPA would want to prevent in that scenario. The player would be happy.

7 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Agree with Banner. Howie has shown his cards. He was gonna give up the farm for Parsons and he's been loosely trading from draft stash from beginning of the year. Looks like he is willing to trade all kinds of draft picks to improve this team. As he should. Can't keep 'em all. I'd be mad if he wasn't trying to make major upgrades for 2025 roster. He's in a great position to do so.

Again, trading 3 firsts for the entirety of Micah Parson's career prime makes a boatload more sense than giving up 3 firsts for the start of Myles Garrett's downslope, and I still wouldn't do either.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

In the case of retirement, the player is being forced to give up money. In this hypotentical AJ Brown question- he would be getting what he wants. Out of Philly, and a truck load of new money from his next team. I cant see what the NFLPA would want to prevent in that scenario. The player would be happy.

Because then in other scenarios like Micah Parsons, the player could be unhappy and want to be traded. The Cowboys could then turn around and say "sure, we'll trade you if you give bonus money back like AJ Brown did".

Just now, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Again, trading 3 firsts for the entirety of Micah Parson's career prime makes a boatload more sense than giving up 3 firsts for the start of Myles Garrett's downslope, and I still wouldn't do either.

I don't like three 1sts. Two 1sts and Nolan is my offer. Very fair. I think Howie can be patient and win in a trade with Browns as they have the worst trade I can remember with DeShaun Watson. They may be more desperate here than people think.

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Phillips for a 3rd is a decent trade for a solid if unspectacular edge rusher, the only concern would be his injury history, two major ligament injuries in 2 years.

Horrible value For a top 100 pick

Pass

25 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Agree with Banner. Howie has shown his cards. He was gonna give up the farm for Parsons and he's been loosely trading from draft stash from beginning of the year. Looks like he is willing to trade all kinds of draft picks to improve this team. As he should. Can't keep 'em all. I'd be mad if he wasn't trying to make major upgrades for 2025 roster. He's in a great position to do so.

You eat crayons dont you?

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

You eat crayons dont you?

No. But do you swallow......Clorox?

Berman said he thinks the Eagles take a bigger swing at Edge for a higher caliber name at the deadline if they make a trade and not a smaller one because they already have plenty of rotational guys and adding another doesn't really change their odds.

I still think Garrett is a pipe dream. I realize never say never with Howie. But if we get him, it’s going to hurt so much and cost so much it’ll dampen the excitement of the addition.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I still think Garrett is a pipe dream. I realize never say never with Howie. But if we get him, it’s going to hurt so much and cost so much it’ll dampen the excitement of the addition.

It is far fetched. But not impossible. People love to rule out 💩 here way too easily. There's the right price to pay for winning Superbowls. That's where we are. I keep my eye on that prize at all times.

43 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Where does the dead money come after 2028? As I read it very little of his 2029 and 2030 money is guaranteed, even his option trigger in 2028 only guarantees a fraction of his ridiculous base salary for '29 OTC reckons he can be cut for about $5mill in the '28-'29 offseason.

Because when you pay option bonuses, the cap hit is spread out over 5 years. So your cap hits from 2025-2028 are only $47mm but he has received $99mm in cash. When you cut him, that $52mm mist be charged -- either in 2029 fully, or split between 2029 and 2030 if you designate post June 1.

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He would have to want out of here badly. Which, it seems like he does. And he knows he can get paid elsewhere so I dont think he would be afraid to write that check.

Im just thinking why, when you say its impossible because of the dead cap charge, and rationality agrees- then why wont the rumors go away? If there is actual smoke, there has to be something sort of outside the box being discussed.

What Michael Carter did got me thinking if something similar could happen where AJ basically pays to get himself out of here.

The rumors are fed and amplified by imbecile "reporters" and hot take artists on places like ESPN and FS1 that don't understand the salary cap.

40 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Never heard of a player being able to pay a team. Id assume itd have to be voiding future money somehow.

Voiding future money doesn't change the cap hit to the Eagles in a trade. He'd literally have to give back money previously received, which I'm not sure would be allowed per the rules, and as @LeanMeanGM pointed out, the NFLPA would have a meltdown if it was tried.