12 hours ago12 hr 25 minutes ago, NOTW said:Yes, unless they evaluate those guys and don't feel they're ready. I trust Stoutland U and they have been preparing for this. If nothing else if they need to, Howie will find a decent starting OT in free agency if nothing else works out.You say that like they grow on trees... and the ones that actually hit free agency meet that criteria. If that were the case so many teams with chronically bad OLs wouldn't have such a hard time upgrading and improving their OL play.
12 hours ago12 hr 2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:You say that like they grow on trees... and the ones that actually hit free agency meet that criteria. If that were the case so many teams with chronically bad OLs wouldn't have such a hard time upgrading and improving their OL play.Well there are different paths, that's one of them. Howie and his staff do their homework and would know a list of potential free agents at every position. They'll be scouting draft prospects. Howie will find out if any trade possibilities. And again they'll evaluate Fred Johnson and the rookies. All I'm saying there is if there's a free agent available they like, that's one of the options. Salary wise, it would make sense to have a rookie deal.
12 hours ago12 hr 17 minutes ago, mattwill said:The counter alternative to this is that a year of Fred as stop gap starter gives Stoutland a second red shirt development year working with Hinton and Williams (and Pierce). Mailata needed two red shirt years and he wasn’t unlearning bad habits.Key would be that they make the roster and get to practice with the team. With Williams and Hinton on IR right now they aren't practicing with the team. Technically Hinton can return week 5 and Williams week 6. I think they each get the 21 day window of practice and then either have to be added to the roster or signed to the practice squad or.. back on IR. I would not want to put either on the PS later in the season to prevent teams out of the playoffs poaching them for the rest of this season with the hope of them being good enough to make their roster in 2026.I
12 hours ago12 hr 37 minutes ago, pallidrone said:I get the Fred Johnson love, but didn't they just draft two project T this year in Myles Hinton and Cameron Williams?I imagine that if Lane retires, one of them will fill that position after a full season and offseason at Stoutland U.That seems like another Ringo gambit but with much higher stakes.Personally, I think Lane is playing the same game Kelce did to pad his salary near the end.
12 hours ago12 hr Just now, NOTW said:Well there are different paths, that's one of them. Howie and his staff do their homework and would know a list of potential free agents at every position. They'll be scouting draft prospects. Howie will find out if any trade possibilities. And again they'll evaluate Fred Johnson and the rookies. All I'm saying there is if there's a free agent available they like, that's one of the options. Salary wise, it would make sense to have a rookie deal.Theoretically, 100%. Trouble is, can you name the last decent starting quality OT to hit the free agent market that actually switched teams? I can't. Just the way you put it made it sound like it was an annual occurrence and that it would automatically be available as an option come next off-season. I just don't see it as a likely option. Theoretically, it is, but the harsh reality is that the dominance and sustained excellence the Eagles have had for nearly 2 and a half straight decades is a luxury in the NFL and one that I think many Eagles fans take for granted. All NFL teams want what the Eagles have upfront, but very very very few actually have it. And even fewer have been able to sustain it like the Eagles have. In fact, I'd say NO team in the NFL has like the Eagles. Howie will pay the price, whatever it is, to do it... but there has to be that option available. And stoutland is great, but he's no miracle worker. He needs the right clay to work with and that's not always easy to find. The Eagles have even screwed it up in the past. (Andre Dillard) So, I just wanted to point out that it's not as simple as Howie waving a wand and finding one. Is there a free agent next year that you have an eye on that fits that description?
12 hours ago12 hr 21 minutes ago, mattwill said:The counter alternative to this is that a year of Fred as stop gap starter gives Stoutland a second red shirt development year working with Hinton and Williams (and Pierce). Mailata needed two red shirt years and he wasn’t unlearning bad habits.Ehh, I guess. I just think that no matter what, they are going to try to give their draft picks the first crack at playing T if he retires.With the massive new contracts coming up, they need some kind of cost control, and they are aware of the costs associated with Williams and Hinton over the next couple of years. Fred and Pierce will be unknown.I also think that it is WAY, WAY too early to even be thinking about any of this.
11 hours ago11 hr 58 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:Yup. Sunday at 1PM is the best NFL start time. Saturday at 3:30 is the best for college. No one can tell me otherwise.I like noon, but I empathize with the West Coast in this situation (only!).
11 hours ago11 hr 10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:Trouble is, can you name the last decent starting quality OT to hit the free agent market that actually switched teams? I can't.Looking at Spotrac's Free Agent Tracker for the last four years bears out your point.
11 hours ago11 hr @RememberTheKoy I'm 100 of 100 all-in on Hurts but the only way he wins regular season popularity contest MVP is a Joe Montana 1990 narrative vote.They threw out Randall's stats and gave Joe the award for the body of work over the last several years, including playoffs. Lamar is at 140+ rating and he's 1-2 because Henry can't hold onto the ball. Lamar also has 100+ and a TD rushing.His defense is ranked 31 / 32 so he gets the Poor Baby! block of voters as well.Now if Patullo is properly minimized and they run the 2nd half Rams game offense the rest of the year (except for games when they can just run for 270) then Hurts might have a good shot.I'd rather he have a 20/20 season, the Eagles go 15-1 into the final week, and then he takes another SB MVP.Regular Season MVP is an Aaron Rodgers, useless in the playoffs, type of award anyway.Rodgers is 2-4 in the playoffs as an MVP.Mahomes 2022 was the first MVP to win the SB since Kurt Warner.
11 hours ago11 hr 16 minutes ago, pallidrone said:Ehh, I guess. I just think that no matter what, they are going to try to give their draft picks the first crack at playing T if he retires.With the massive new contracts coming up, they need some kind of cost control, and they are aware of the costs associated with Williams and Hinton over the next couple of years. Fred and Pierce will be unknown.I also think that it is WAY, WAY too early to even be thinking about any of this.I agree with you that their first priority wil be (is) to give their draft picks the first crack, but Howie has gotten to be as good as he is by always thinking ahead.
11 hours ago11 hr 37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:You say that like they grow on trees... and the ones that actually hit free agency meet that criteria. If that were the case so many teams with chronically bad OLs wouldn't have such a hard time upgrading and improving their OL play.Teams also have to be able to identify and develop people that for whatever reason don't work out with their original team so reach free agency. Becton is the poster child for that.
11 hours ago11 hr If the Eagles repeat, no way does Lane not go for 3 in a row and 4 for him.I could see them drafting an OT in early rounds next year.FWIW those named Josh that everyone loved going to DC and KC at the end of round 1 this year are 71st and 93rd right now according to PFF.
11 hours ago11 hr Saturday Noon Eagles-Bucs Predictions Update - 29 hours until Kickoff49 predictions recorded36 predictions are for an Eagles win and 13 are for a Bucs win. The average predicted score continues to be Eagles 27 Bucs 22.I believe I got everyone's prediction. If you don't see your name below, I either missed your prediction or you haven't submitted one yet.As always, please tag your prediction post with @mattwill that way I will be sure to see/record it. Score predictions can also have an optional "Bonus Pick" tiebreaker prediction. I will be taking predictions right up until Kickoff.A list of the 49 predictions is presented below, sorted high to low by Eagles points predicted. The Bucs win predictions are highlighted in yellow.An alphabetical list of the screen names of the folks who have submitted this week is as follows. If you don't see your name there, I don't have a prediction from you yet.
11 hours ago11 hr 8 minutes ago, eglz1 said:Teams also have to be able to identify and develop people that for whatever reason don't work out with their original team so reach free agency. Becton is the poster child for that.Agreed, but at OG for the Eagles, not OT.
11 hours ago11 hr Ha! I was catching up on the Chris Long podcast and he thinks TB is going to play the 400lb NT that they brought back this week.It seems like an extreme reaction to the TP, as I’d hope our OC would go hurry up to kill the kid as he has no range to begin with.
11 hours ago11 hr Just now, Iggles_Phan said:Agreed, but at OG for the Eagles, not OT.Right, just using Becton as an example of failing on place and succeeding at another. Not thinking position.
11 hours ago11 hr 1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:Agreed, but at OG for the Eagles, not OT.I agree 100%, and Spotrac's FA reports list lots of Guards, but few Tackles.
11 hours ago11 hr 1 hour ago, NOTW said:I would hope that it's just an added preparation based on lessons learned from the past and not a distraction or something they're overthinking. They tend to focus on preparation and being detail oriented so hopefully it's just part of being focused and trying to improve.Yea, I know their intentions are good, but it just feels like to me they overthinking in. Sitting in a sauna is going to be completely different than wearing pads and playing football in Tampa.I liked Vic’s answer about it "Well, it is too late to do anything right now for it, as far as prepping for it. You don't practice in heat one day and say you're acclimated or take a pill and say you're acclimated," said Fangio. "The key will be, I mean, it's a mindset, number one.”I also think Mayfield brought up a good point. Going one day early isn’t enough time to acclimate and it very well could just make players think about it more than anything as they hang out in the heat/humidity all day.
11 hours ago11 hr 46 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:Key would be that they make the roster and get to practice with the team. With Williams and Hinton on IR right now they aren't practicing with the team. Technically Hinton can return week 5 and Williams week 6. I think they each get the 21 day window of practice and then either have to be added to the roster or signed to the practice squad or.. back on IR. I would not want to put either on the PS later in the season to prevent teams out of the playoffs poaching them for the rest of this season with the hope of them being good enough to make their roster in 2026.IThey would have to be put on waivers to make it to the PS. Teams would much rather prefer claiming on waivers than signing off the PS.
11 hours ago11 hr 46 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:Theoretically, 100%. Trouble is, can you name the last decent starting quality OT to hit the free agent market that actually switched teams? I can't. Just the way you put it made it sound like it was an annual occurrence and that it would automatically be available as an option come next off-season. I just don't see it as a likely option. Theoretically, it is, but the harsh reality is that the dominance and sustained excellence the Eagles have had for nearly 2 and a half straight decades is a luxury in the NFL and one that I think many Eagles fans take for granted. All NFL teams want what the Eagles have upfront, but very very very few actually have it. And even fewer have been able to sustain it like the Eagles have. In fact, I'd say NO team in the NFL has like the Eagles. Howie will pay the price, whatever it is, to do it... but there has to be that option available. And stoutland is great, but he's no miracle worker. He needs the right clay to work with and that's not always easy to find. The Eagles have even screwed it up in the past. (Andre Dillard)So, I just wanted to point out that it's not as simple as Howie waving a wand and finding one. Is there a free agent next year that you have an eye on that fits that description?There’s some that hit FA. Trent Williams comes to mind. Orlando Brown Jr I would think fits the criteria. It’s not many though and certainly sounds easier than it is.
11 hours ago11 hr 15 minutes ago, eglz1 said:Right, just using Becton as an example of failing on place and succeeding at another. Not thinking position.I hear that, but this whole discussion is focused on RT, specifically. That's the key. I have no doubt that finding an OG is easier than OT.... even then its not super easy.
11 hours ago11 hr 17 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:Ha! I was catching up on the Chris Long podcast and he thinks TB is going to play the 400lb NT that they brought back this week.It seems like an extreme reaction to the TP, as I’d hope our OC would go hurry up to kill the kid as he has no range to begin with.He will only get in the game on a tush push play.
10 hours ago10 hr 21 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:Ha! I was catching up on the Chris Long podcast and he thinks TB is going to play the 400lb NT that they brought back this week.It seems like an extreme reaction to the TP, as I’d hope our OC would go hurry up to kill the kid as he has no range to begin with.Bowles already said he’s not playing. He said his role is simulating Jordan Davis during practice
10 hours ago10 hr 3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:There’s some that hit FA. Trent Williams comes to mind. Orlando Brown Jr I would think fits the criteria. It’s not many though and certainly sounds easier than it is.Brown is likely the best comp for what we are looking for. Trent Williams is a weird situation, not too dissimilar to what happened in Buffalo with Jason Peters. Those types of situations come around once every decade or so. Is there anyone with an 'irreconcilable difference' situation with their current team right now?
10 hours ago10 hr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:He will only get in the game on a tush push play.And I think that would only be on 4th down and goal if the Eagles give them a chance.The Eagles will play the hurry-up game if they have to with him. That means running the hurry-up after a tush push with him in the game, or running the hurry-up to execute the tush push to ensure that Tampa cannot substitute.
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