1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Most 4th quarter lead changes in NFL playoff history (over 90 years) and it’s only 4 games in!

They’re so obvious about it they almost want people to know it’s becoming "sports entertainment”

They can’t even throw in a blowout or boring game to make it seem realistic. lol

And yet we all watch.

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

HC or OC?

OC. I don't think they'll fire Sirianni unless he refuses to fire Patullo. And I don't think he'll refuse.

After the 1st round exit....we can all say it:

While less theatrical, this team had a LOT of 2023 to them. Wins against the Raiders and Commanders were the only real difference. And a playoff game that was closer.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

AJ Brown is the best WR in Eagles history and had a down year coming off a Super bowl where he gutted out a playoff run needing to have his knee drained in between games and people turn on the guy like that. Have some Fing perspective FFS.

He is at the same point as Alshon Jeffrey was when he dropped the pass to end our playoffs. He didnt totally look washed, and he wasnt all that old. But there were signs.

19 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Maybe run a rub route there? Actually, I don't think Patullo understands what a rub route is a d why it can work.

The last AJ drop was a rub route. A poorly timed one that drew defenders to the route.

Just now, DaBirds said:

Did he and Barkley not get along?

I didn't hear anything about them just not getting along, but you have to consider just how poor of help from blocks he got during his time there, so it kind of depends on how it all goes. I have to admit that if it worked out it'd be funny continue the 'Taking from the Giants to go to the Super Bowl' meme.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

He is at the same point as Alshon Jeffrey was when he dropped the pass to end our playoffs. He didnt totally look washed, and he wasnt all that old. But there were signs.

Had 1000 yards in a down year. Shows how good he is. With a real OC I have no doubt he will bounce back.

2 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

I think Howie / Lurie will only hold the KP hire against him. KP is clearly a Siri hire and the worst OC he has had in his HC career so its a big miss. He was the first guy that came with him from Indy. Btw, Steichen was also a Siri hire given their working history before. He is 1 - 1 on OC's where I think he has been the primary person driving the process.

We all agree that Kellen Moore certainly had more organisational involvement. I also think Brian Johnson was a broader organisational appointment and of course Siri had a part in that - they had just lost Steichen and the Eagles moved to secure their QB coach coming off a prolific year from their young franchise QB. He was seen as being important to Hurts and was also originally brought in more by Howie given the relationship he already had with Hurts. Just because it was internal, doesnt mean it was just a Siri call while any external hire is Howie / Lurie.

When discussing hiring Brian Johnson, it is important to not overlook the factor of trying to hire guys who if later got hired as OCs would give the Eagles two 3rd round picks. I think it drove the Eagles decision as both OC and DC in 2023. Still I think Sirianni had a bigger level of sign off enthusiasm than most suspect.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I know, bad game to defend AJ and pick him over the QB.

Yeah, it was an awful game for AJ Brown. However, when he had that drop then went to the sideline and they had that blowup between him and Nick that can’t happen. AJ Brown cannot do it because you know all the cameras are good to get it. That is not the time nor of the place. It’s a in the locker room discussion. It was idiotic of him especially knowing everything that has gone on this year

Then also Nick Sirianni has to be smarter, knowing how his players are. Particularly AJ. You are the head coach of the team. You know your players. AJ Brown after dropping it is gonna be frustrated and angry. So you saying something to him that pissed him off enough to cause that blowup is also not needed and also idiotic.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

AJ Brown is the best WR in Eagles history and had a down year coming off a Super bowl where he gutted out a playoff run needing to have his knee drained in between games and people turn on the guy like that. Have some Fing perspective FFS.

Down years aren't really a thing when you are turning 29 and have had year-over-year decline in productivity across 3 consecutive seasons. That's aging and declining, not a down year.

3 minutes ago, Godfather said:

OC is gone

Mhm, but I think the person you replied to was talking about Daboll for OC rather than HC is what I mean.

43 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Part of me wonders if Howie will think this has become a Hasaan Reddick type situation.

No one saw that trade coming but Eagles determined he wasn't a team player and traded him away.

Disagree. Everyone saw the trade coming. It was expected.

Just now, eagle45 said:

After the 1st round exit....we can all say it:

While less theatrical, this team had a LOT of 2023 to them. Wins against the Raiders and Commanders were the only real difference. And a playoff game that was closer.

The 2023 team played at a level that would beat absolutely no team in the entire league and they proved it against the Giants.

This team only won some more games because of its defense. Our offense was at the level of being bad enough to beat no one. Yes, its very similar.

Good news was after 2023 we had no idea where the problem existed. Players spoke and couldnt put a finger on it. We had no idea what needed to change, and how much needed to change. Felt directionless. Next thing you know we are hoisting the Lombardi.

This year, we can all see the offensive issues. We dont have any locker room cancers except MAYEBE AJ Brown although you cant really even say AJ is wrong.

We have a lot of talent coming back and feels like we can easily be back in contention next year with just an OC change.

That last play was the epitome of KP. Your receivers running the same two routes. Two go routes from the 20?

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Disagree. Everyone saw the trade coming. It was expected.

Absolutely. I was calling it the offseason before.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

After the 1st round exit....we can all say it:

While less theatrical, this team had a LOT of 2023 to them. Wins against the Raiders and Commanders were the only real difference. And a playoff game that was closer.

I actually think it was quite a bit different in how but with the same result. If we even had 2023's level offense and Jalen throws a few less picks, we probably still win SB with our defense.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Down years aren't really a thing when you are turning 29 and have had year-over-year decline in productivity across 3 consecutive seasons. That's aging and declining, not a down year.

Too early to say that given the passing offense in general has declined. I’d Devonta declining? He had a down season too. Needed to play the final week to pass 1000. AJ didn’t.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Had 1000 yards. With a real OC I have no doubt he will bounce back.

Alshon didnt look washed. It began with a season ending drop, and then he was just done.

AJ Brown never looked washed to me this season. I argued all year with people that no he was not injured. Its just QB play. But at the end of the year, he didnt produce. Deep balls stopped connecting. Then he had key drops, which snowballed into numerous missed plays in this game.

I think this was really his Jeffery end of an era game.

56 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I like Hurts, but his team had the ball at the 40+ yard line 3x in the 2nd half, 2x by turnovers and they scored six points. He didn't play well tonight when we really needed him to do so. His legs couldn't help him, made some good throws combined with bad decisions. The first long ball to Brown was short and into coverage. Second long ball was a good throw and should have been PI. If Brown not held up there it's a great play. It's not that Hurts is a bum, he just didn't play well.

I agree Hurts didn’t have a good season. While it’s not all on the OC enough of it was that you hope an OC that complements his skill set will be hired. Someone like Kliff Kingsbury

6 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

A rub route into a zone? Ummm no! The defense is stationary, reading QB eyes and guarding area, not players. Rub routes bring two players to a defender...that's dumb. They are useful against M-M, not zones. But even more stupid is 4 WRs running vertical routes to a defender and then turning around...effectively covering themselves up. That idiot OC has spent an entire season running this same stupidity multiple times a game....

Eh to an extent. You can scheme a run against zone. Especially the Frankenstein back 7 the niners had by stressing their hand offs and communication in zone. The issue is KP doesn’t know how or when to call it, how to scheme it and hurts was terrible pre snap today too.

in terms of OC:

Berman has said Lurie is a huge fan of McDaniel and has been for years. 

Daboll has a connection with Sirianni and is friends with Hurts.

I think those two would be atop the list with Kingsbury possibly third.

5 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

That idiot OC has spent an entire season running this same stupidity multiple times a game....

This is exactly the issue that I have with Pattulo. If you go back all the way to week one against Dallas, he’s had the same consistent problems. You would think as a first year offensive coordinator that at some point, you get the hang of it. You start seeing improvement. growth. But for 18 consecutive weeks outside of playing awful competition like giants, raiders and commanders (even the first half there wasn’t great) they’ve had the same issues.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

The 2023 team played at a level that would beat absolutely no team in the entire league and they proved it against the Giants.

This team only won some more games because of its defense. Our offense was at the level of being bad enough to beat no one. Yes, its very similar.

Good news was after 2023 we had no idea where the problem existed. Players spoke and couldnt put a finger on it. We had no idea what needed to change, and how much needed to change. Felt directionless. Next thing you know we are hoisting the Lombardi.

This year, we can all see the offensive issues. We dont have any locker room cancers except MAYEBE AJ Brown although you cant really even say AJ is wrong.

We have a lot of talent coming back and feels like we can easily be back in contention next year with just an OC change.

The issue is that they are locked into 10/11 starters on offense. The only change will be OC.

There was some movie that I cannot place that mockingly said the government and media, after a disaster, liked to make the masses comfortable by saying "this was all the work of one madman who acted alone."

That's going to be Patullo. They will place everything on his lap and then fire and replace him. And they will not have the resources to make a single damn change on offense besides the guy calling the plays. So that better be enough.

1 minute ago, xxeaglesfanxx said:

That last play was the epitome of KP. Your receivers running the same two routes. Two go routes from the 20?

Even weirder was the structure. What's the concept there exactly? Nothing wrong with throwing in a go or deep post, but what sticks out to me most in terms of Patullo's playbook, and even Johnson's wasn't this level, is the lack of taking advantage of cleared space.

If football's most important basic concept is taking advantage of space emptied prior, why was there several instances of clearing space but not filling it with anything?

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You keep Sirianni but Patullo needs to be gone by noon followed by a news of an interview scheduled with McDaniels by 6 pm tomorrow.

They will keep Sirianni, but doing so will just continue this treadmill of ... good OC = good season. Bad OC = bad season. Sirianni is incapable of righting the ship if his OC isn't delivering the goods. He really adds nothing. But he's had a lot of "success" because he's been surrounded by people (Howie, Steichen, Moore, Fangio, and lots of talented players) who elevate the team despite his mediocrity. If you look at the results, he should stay. If you look at the process, he should be gone.