56 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I like Hurts, but his team had the ball at the 40+ yard line 3x in the 2nd half, 2x by turnovers and they scored six points. He didn't play well tonight when we really needed him to do so. His legs couldn't help him, made some good throws combined with bad decisions. The first long ball to Brown was short and into coverage. Second long ball was a good throw and should have been PI. If Brown not held up there it's a great play. It's not that Hurts is a bum, he just didn't play well.

I agree Hurts didn’t have a good season. While it’s not all on the OC enough of it was that you hope an OC that complements his skill set will be hired. Someone like Kliff Kingsbury

6 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

A rub route into a zone? Ummm no! The defense is stationary, reading QB eyes and guarding area, not players. Rub routes bring two players to a defender...that's dumb. They are useful against M-M, not zones. But even more stupid is 4 WRs running vertical routes to a defender and then turning around...effectively covering themselves up. That idiot OC has spent an entire season running this same stupidity multiple times a game....

Eh to an extent. You can scheme a run against zone. Especially the Frankenstein back 7 the niners had by stressing their hand offs and communication in zone. The issue is KP doesn’t know how or when to call it, how to scheme it and hurts was terrible pre snap today too.

in terms of OC:

Berman has said Lurie is a huge fan of McDaniel and has been for years. 

Daboll has a connection with Sirianni and is friends with Hurts.

I think those two would be atop the list with Kingsbury possibly third.

5 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

That idiot OC has spent an entire season running this same stupidity multiple times a game....

This is exactly the issue that I have with Pattulo. If you go back all the way to week one against Dallas, he’s had the same consistent problems. You would think as a first year offensive coordinator that at some point, you get the hang of it. You start seeing improvement. growth. But for 18 consecutive weeks outside of playing awful competition like giants, raiders and commanders (even the first half there wasn’t great) they’ve had the same issues.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

The 2023 team played at a level that would beat absolutely no team in the entire league and they proved it against the Giants.

This team only won some more games because of its defense. Our offense was at the level of being bad enough to beat no one. Yes, its very similar.

Good news was after 2023 we had no idea where the problem existed. Players spoke and couldnt put a finger on it. We had no idea what needed to change, and how much needed to change. Felt directionless. Next thing you know we are hoisting the Lombardi.

This year, we can all see the offensive issues. We dont have any locker room cancers except MAYEBE AJ Brown although you cant really even say AJ is wrong.

We have a lot of talent coming back and feels like we can easily be back in contention next year with just an OC change.

The issue is that they are locked into 10/11 starters on offense. The only change will be OC.

There was some movie that I cannot place that mockingly said the government and media, after a disaster, liked to make the masses comfortable by saying "this was all the work of one madman who acted alone."

That's going to be Patullo. They will place everything on his lap and then fire and replace him. And they will not have the resources to make a single damn change on offense besides the guy calling the plays. So that better be enough.

1 minute ago, xxeaglesfanxx said:

That last play was the epitome of KP. Your receivers running the same two routes. Two go routes from the 20?

Even weirder was the structure. What's the concept there exactly? Nothing wrong with throwing in a go or deep post, but what sticks out to me most in terms of Patullo's playbook, and even Johnson's wasn't this level, is the lack of taking advantage of cleared space.

If football's most important basic concept is taking advantage of space emptied prior, why was there several instances of clearing space but not filling it with anything?

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You keep Sirianni but Patullo needs to be gone by noon followed by a news of an interview scheduled with McDaniels by 6 pm tomorrow.

They will keep Sirianni, but doing so will just continue this treadmill of ... good OC = good season. Bad OC = bad season. Sirianni is incapable of righting the ship if his OC isn't delivering the goods. He really adds nothing. But he's had a lot of "success" because he's been surrounded by people (Howie, Steichen, Moore, Fangio, and lots of talented players) who elevate the team despite his mediocrity. If you look at the results, he should stay. If you look at the process, he should be gone.

2 minutes ago, xxeaglesfanxx said:

That last play was the epitome of KP. Your receivers running the same two routes. Two go routes from the 20?

How many times this year and even previous years do the eagles dial up a go route to AJ brown on like a 4th and 2? Theres not a route they are more comfortable with than a Hurts deep ball. Thats really mostly on Hurts. Its been a thing in previous years. They just also had more success with it in previous years. This year Hurts lost his deep ball accuracy for the most part after he was clearly concussed against the Bucs.

24 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I was very adamant that Sirianni should have been dismissed after the 2023 season because he had lost the locker room. From 10-1 to barely getting into the playoffs followed by a blow out loss was a loud red flag. I believe he should be removed now for his laissez faire approach to leadership this year. All great leaders know when to step in when things are going sideways. I was absolutely stunned when he announced that the idiot OC was working on his own without collaboration...that is a fireable offense, but I just don't think Lurie is going to pull the trigger. I don't think the Eagle fans will get too upset about it...

You are spot on

With the 23rd pick, the Eagles move up, move down or select what position?

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Give me AJ with a QB who can throw the ball on a consistent basis. I love the intangibles Jalen Hurts brings to the game. He's a terrific person from everything you read about him. He's just not a very good passing QB. He's a game manager. A game manager is great if you have pedestrian WR, maybe guys like DeMarcus Robinson?

This offense has a top 5 and top 10 WR, a top 5 TE and the best RB in the NFL.

QB1 threw for 200 or less in 11 games.

QB1 threw for 150 yards or less in 6 games.

QB1 threw for 1 TD or less in 9 games.

We'll probably never know if the offense is held back because of the OC or because of the QB. It's probably a little of both. Part of me just wants to see what this offense can do with a true passing QB.

We also need to not treat Hurts like a true dropback passer. He might stink on zone reads but he needs to be used as a running QB in other ways. Nothing about this scheme made any sense.

21 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Daboll is my guess for next OC.

Hate that option

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I agree Hurts didn’t have a good season. While it’s not all on the OC enough of it was that you hope an OC that complements his skill set will be hired. Someone like Kliff Kingsbury

Sadly, Patullo complemented Hurts skills well. This is the Hurts offense that any OC will be running. It looked similar with Moore as well, until Barkley saved us.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Alshon didnt look washed. It began with a season ending drop, and then he was just done.

AJ Brown never looked washed to me this season. I argued all year with people that no he was not injured. Its just QB play. But at the end of the year, he didnt produce. Deep balls stopped connecting. Then he had key drops, which snowballed into numerous missed plays in this game.

I think this was really his Jeffery end of an era game.

I don’t feel that way at all. Alshon couldn’t move after 2017. In 2018 he started moving like a tight end. I think this was just a crap year on offense for everyone and AJ brown was a part of that, but I didn’t see anything that made me think he can’t produce again at a high level next season if they get a real OC in here. Look at what Diggs did this season after everyone thought he was washed. And again, Adams. Need to rejuvenate a lot of guys on this offense. Honestly, I have more concerns about Barkley producing at a high level next season than AJ. RBs typically are not the same again after that workload he had in 2024 and naturally he dropped off. And he’ll be like 28 which is old for a RB with his workload.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

in terms of OC:

Berman has said Lurie is a huge fan of McDaniel and has been for years. 

Daboll has a connection with Sirianni and is friends with Hurts.

I think those two would be atop the list with Kingsbury possibly third.

Two guys from the division is certainly a list. I like those second two being fired head coaches with not a ton of success there.

McDaniel...unless the plan is to develop Hurts into a better passing QB, that one kinda worries me. But it really depends, I haven't studied Miami but I feel like a good running game is required unless you develop Hurts quite a bit.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Hate that option

He’d make Hurts run 10 times a game or die trying.

Just now, ManuManu said:

We also need to not treat Hurts like a true dropback passer. He might stink on zone reads but he needs to be used as a running QB in other ways. Nothing about this scheme made any sense.

RPO was nonexistent. For the life of me, I have no idea why they abandoned it. There was absolutely nothing done by the OC to get creative, to move the pocket, to create confusion. The only confusion I ever saw was the play being called and trying to get the snap off before 1 second was on the play clock. All season long.

That Maye throw on 2nd down is what bad QB play looks like. Wide open guy, very little wind, just a really bad throw.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We also need to not treat Hurts like a true dropback passer. He might stink on zone reads but he needs to be used as a running QB in other ways. Nothing about this scheme made any sense.

To be fair, a lot of people are more used to dealing with a drop back passer, especially if they started their coaching careers before college became all about mobile guys.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The issue is that they are locked into 10/11 starters on offense. The only change will be OC.

There was some movie that I cannot place that mockingly said the government and media, after a disaster, liked to make the masses comfortable by saying "this was all the work of one madman who acted alone."

That's going to be Patullo. They will place everything on his lap and then fire and replace him. And they will not have the resources to make a single damn change on offense besides the guy calling the plays. So that better be enough.

The good news is that it will be enough for an incremental improvement. And with our defense that is all that is needed.

Finish 1 or 2 more drives a game and this team wont be beat.

Its not gonna fix Hurts. Its not going to look like a pretty offense like the Rams and 49ers and Bears have. But play calling and sequencing, and having guys focused and detailed without so many drive killing penalties... That can maybe get us to like 23-24 points per game. We may not be at 30ppg but we dont need to be.

Just now, bpac55 said:

RPO was nonexistent. For the life of me, I have no idea why they abandoned it. There was absolutely nothing done by the OC to get creative, to move the pocket, to create confusion. The only confusion I ever saw was the play being called and trying to get the snap off before 1 second was on the play clock. All season long.

The rules. It's super easy to get ineligible man down field now, and they got penalized to the point that they stopped calling it as much. I THINK this happened league wide, but not sure.

21 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I like that.

I dont think he will be too quick to get another HC job.

The Giants offense was beginning to look pretty tough with a rookie QB, 1 star WR, and a good slot WR who actually got targets. And a rookie RB who isnt really athletic enough for the NFL but looked amazing.

He made a lot out of a little there. He can probably do great things with our roster.

Id also love to have a hot head who isnt afraid to call out Hurts for his terrible decisions.

I want to know if hurts rolling right throwing the ball out if bounds is a hurts thing a coaching thing or a both thing

Id give an OC that can change that 1 bazillion dollars just so I dont have to scream at the tv anymore every time hurts does it.

Sack fumble handoff for a 1st down, lol

So let's do a basic algorithm:

Step 1 (highly likely): Eagles fire KP and hire Brian Daboll/Mike Mcdaniels/Stefanski/etc

• Outcome 1: Offense is great. Inevitable next step is that OC is on HC interview circuit. Do you fire Siri and promote the OC? From afar, it's such a bold controversial thing to do without great precedent...but it's also insanity to continue the unstable OC churn.

• Outcome 2: Offense is better but still not good. Does everyone just get another year to run it back with the same personnel?

• Outcome 3: Offense is the same. At what point does more than a vocal and criticized minority of Eagles fans start looking at the common denominator and acknowledge the QB problem?

Step 2/Door 2: Eagles fire KP, strike out on the big name former HC's, and get a less proven OC. Are you going to blame Siri for making a bad choice? Howie/Lurie? Could it be that OC's with HC aspirations do not want to tie their future to the QB here? Do they not want to work with an offensive minded HC who is a bit of an emotional goofball?