11 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I’m not sure whether you’re serious. Our successful OCs did not come from pedigree

I am serious. As for pedigree, Reid from Mike Holmgren, Pederson from Reid, Steichen from Reich. Both HCs called their own plays and it was Reid's offense. Reich was OC for Pederson amd they melded. The pedigree is pretty good. I want it from another school of thought now. Gimme the innovators from winning teams. A scheming savant, not the losing retreads.

The Eagles should hire this kid to develop as Dom's replacement.

I dont know if Aaron Rodgers is done but I got the perfect place for him to go if he wants 1 more season. Indy.

Things I liked this year:

• The defense: well coached, prepared, aggressive, tough. Not perfect, but they're great.

• Q and DeJean in their 2nd year continuing to play great and make All-Pro

• Jordan Davis really stepped up and got in shape and became a bigger factor

• Jalyx Hunt in his 2nd year, led the team in sacks and INTs, that's incredible

• Moro Ojomo had the 2nd most sacks (6) and played really well. On a rookie deal compared to Milton Williams with 3.5 sacks (plus 2 in the playoffs)

• Drafting a LB in the 1st round for the first time in 46 years, no reach or just take position of need, taking BPA. Fangio brought having quality LBs

• Tank Bigsby (when he actually got the ball)

• Barkley when he was able to get better calls and blocking to remind us why he's so good. Hoping for more next year

• DeVonta Smith, despite some issues (the whole offense did), he's always professional and so tough for his size. He needs to play his entire career here and retire

• Red zone offense and some actual creative plays, and Goedert getting all those TDs

• Blocked kicks, including that amazing return by Jordan Davis

• The fake tush push plays especially the one to Barkley

• Beating the Chiefs and seeing them not make the playoffs this year

58 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This thread is open way too soon.

😔

It was a necessary evil to get a real OC unfortunately.

On a new system I think Hurts needs to be both challenged and fit. Meaning I do think we need an innovative new system but that system should play to Hurts strengths. I believe that can be done. I’m sure others here don’t. In any case I’d like to see an aggressive attempt at just that

52 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Things I liked this year:

Barkley when he was able to get better calls and blocking to remind us why he's so good. Hoping for more next year

I’m worried about this. I thought he looked noticeably different this year. Still good but not like he looked last year. I don’t mean production. He just didn’t have the same acceleration.

I feel like last year was Eagles Shady McCoy and this year was Buffalo Bills Shady.

They are paying him an enormous amount of money for a running back and they normally don’t get faster as they age. I know he had the groin injury pretty early so maybe he was banged up though.

33 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

On a new system I think Hurts needs to be both challenged and fit. Meaning I do think we need an innovative new system but that system should play to Hurts strengths. I believe that can be done. I’m sure others here don’t. In any case I’d like to see an aggressive attempt at just that

I never like to lose but last year after a SB it would probably be hard to tell Jalen or Sirianni anything This year it might be different. Little humble pie.

7 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I never like to lose but last year after a SB it would probably be hard to tell Jalen or Sirianni anything This year it might be different. Little humble pie.

Hiring Patullo was obviously wrong but the logic behind not changing the system when you scored a record number of points in the playoffs and had a short offseason is at least understandable. Clearly a different situation this year

Sheil and Shawn Syed did their OC rankings. 1-4. Their 1-2 and 3-4 are the same as mine but flipped. Theirs was 1) Monken 2) McDaniel 3) Kingsbury 4) Daboll

They threw in Stefanski as a guy they didn't want to put in there because they think he's definitely getting a head coaching job, but Sheil was in my camp that wouldn't be enthused with him based on his offenses in Cleveland. Even with horrible QB play, he didn't show he can do more with less there and his offenses were terrible.

But I'd have 1) McDaniel 2) Monken (insert gap) 3) Daboll 4) Kingsbury

But my clear cut top two are McDaniel and Monken. Syed thinks McDaniel's scheme is a very poor fit with Hurts, but thinks McDaniel is bright enough to where he could tailor an offense to fit him or perhaps even coach him up enough to get him to succeed at it. But both Sheil and him really like Monken and his likely never getting poached away given his age and his ability to scheme up explosive plays and coach mobile QBs who aren't traditional pocket passers going from Lamar to Hurts.

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Sheil and Shawn Syed did their OC rankings. 1-4. Their 1-2 and 3-4 are the same as mine but flipped. Theirs was 1) Monken 2) McDaniel 3) Kingsbury 4) Daboll

They threw in Stefanski as a guy they didn't want to put in there because they think he's definitely getting a head coaching job, but Sheil was in my camp that wouldn't be enthused with him based on his offenses in Cleveland. Even with horrible QB play, he didn't show he can do more with less there and his offenses were terrible.

But I'd have 1) McDaniel 2) Monken (insert gap) 3) Daboll 4) Kingsbury

But my clear cut top two are McDaniel and Monken. Syed thinks McDaniel's scheme is a very poor fit with Hurts, but thinks McDaniel is bright enough to where he could tailor an offense to fit him or perhaps even coach him up enough to get him to succeed at it. But both Sheil and him really like Monken and his likely never getting poached away given his age and his ability to scheme up explosive plays and coach mobile QBs who aren't traditional pocket passers going from Lamar to Hurts.

Good list and thoughts.

Will Mc want to take that on?

Monk is supposed going with Jim

Daboll has a temper. How will that fly?

King....I don't know how he'd do with this bunch

I'll take any of them though. I wouldn't be shocked if it's a name we didn't think about

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

This is when I knew we were doomed and lost hope

6 hours ago, NOTW said:

So do we think Lane Johnson tries to come back next season because like BG, he doesn't want to have his last season tarnished by injury?

Either way: they must draft his replacement. He will learn under Lane and likely play regular season games if/when Lane gets hurt. Then take over his 2nd year when Lane retires. Plus, if Lane changes his mind (some players do that but I doubt he would) and decides to retire at a later point after the draft, it would be awful to be stuck without a replacement. So I think they draft OT high regardless.

If the Eagles nail the OC hire, it has the change to light a fire under the players on this offense. A whole new energy moving on from KP. They lost and Lane Johnson didn't play. He has a chance to be 100% sooner than had they won, so he can attack the off-season right away instead of rehabbing first. There's a 0% chance he retires. Now, it could be his last year, but there's no way he misses the last half of a season, bust his butt in rehab only to be a gameday scratch in the playoffs and says "OK, I'm good". He's not going out like this. . I'm also bringing back Fred Johnson who help bridge the gap so they don't feel like they have to force OT. I'm all in for finding Lane's replacement...if there's a player who they think can. I'm not just picking OT for the sake of picking OT.

I'm trying to find money and ways they can save money across the board.

Let's look at Zack Baun. He's been a fantastic addition, but the logjam at LB is real (provided Dean comes back). Jihaad Campbell is the replacement for Baun, not Dean. I don't think Dean is going to cost as much as Baun and pairing Campbell and Dean, while getting some cap relief might be the best case scenario at LB. They bring 2 completely different skillsets.

@vikas83 Help me out here. Below is Zach Baun's contract and the ramifications if he's a Post June 1st trade.

Does this seem like one of the more realistic ways they could unload a big salary with minimum dead cap hits?

Dead Money Cap Savings are the right 2 columns.

2026 📝	30	$1,215,000	$3,216,000	$3,107,000	$0	$250,000		$16,750,000		$7,538,000	2.5%		$3,216,000	$4,322,000
2027 📝	31	$1,345,000	$3,216,000	$5,988,000	$1,000,000	$250,000		$0		$11,799,000	3.8%		$3,216,000	$8,583,000
2028 📝	32	Void	$3,216,000	$5,988,000	Void	Void		Void		$24,684,100	7.5%		$3,216,000	$21,468,100
2029	33	Void	$3,216,000	$5,988,000	Void	Void		Void		$0	--		$3,216,000	($3,216,000)
2030	34	Void	$0	$5,988,000	Void	Void		Void		$0	--		$0	$0
2031	35	Void	$0	$2,881,000	Void	Void		Void		$0	--		$0	$0

Bye Kevin. Nothing personal, but I hope you were the problem.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

If the Eagles nail the OC hire, it has the change to light a fire under the players on this offense. A whole new energy moving on from KP. They lost and Lane Johnson didn't play. He has a chance to be 100% sooner than had they won, so he can attack the off-season right away instead of rehabbing first. There's a 0% chance he retires. Now, it could be his last year, but there's no way he misses the last half of a season, bust his butt in rehab only to be a gameday scratch in the playoffs and says "OK, I'm good". He's not going out like this. . I'm also bringing back Fred Johnson who help bridge the gap so they don't feel like they have to force OT. I'm all in for finding Lane's replacement...if there's a player who they think can. I'm not just picking OT for the sake of picking OT.

If Lane doesn’t go out like this this year, he’ll go out like this next year. They need his replacement regardless of what he chooses to do.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I'm trying to find money and ways they can save money across the board.

Let's look at Zack Baun. He's been a fantastic addition, but the logjam at LB is real (provided Dean comes back). Jihaad Campbell is the replacement for Baun, not Dean. I don't think Dean is going to cost as much as Baun and pairing Campbell and Dean, while getting some cap relief might be the best case scenario at LB. They bring 2 completely different skillsets.

@vikas83 Help me out here. Below is Zach Baun's contract and the ramifications if he's a Post June 1st trade.

Does this seem like one of the more realistic ways they could unload a big salary with minimum dead cap hits?

Dead Money Cap Savings are the right 2 columns.

2026 📝	30	$1,215,000	$3,216,000	$3,107,000	$0	$250,000		$16,750,000		$7,538,000	2.5%		$3,216,000	$4,322,000
2027 📝	31	$1,345,000	$3,216,000	$5,988,000	$1,000,000	$250,000		$0		$11,799,000	3.8%		$3,216,000	$8,583,000
2028 📝	32	Void	$3,216,000	$5,988,000	Void	Void		Void		$24,684,100	7.5%		$3,216,000	$21,468,100
2029	33	Void	$3,216,000	$5,988,000	Void	Void		Void		$0	--		$3,216,000	($3,216,000)
2030	34	Void	$0	$5,988,000	Void	Void		Void		$0	--		$0	$0
2031	35	Void	$0	$2,881,000	Void	Void		Void		$0	--		$0	$0

Why get rid Of the guy Vic wanted to

Keep the most for Dean who cant stay healthy?

You need to let go of Dean. Hope he nets a comp pick. If not maybe a prove it deal but thats all i would offer him

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If Lane doesn’t go out like this this year, he’ll go out like this next year. They need his replacement regardless of what he chooses to do.

Not arguing that one bit. I just don't want to force his replacement. If BPA in the round 1 is a RT that you think can be here for a decade, run to the podium. If a RT you think can be here for a decade falls to pick 15-20, move up to get him. If the OL at 23 don't move the needle and there's Edge/WR/DT/CB that are clearly better, don't take the OL because you want a replacement.

I'm also looking at teams who are stuck in the mud, in coaching transitions, cap hell to see if there are any young RT worth trading for.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If Lane doesn’t go out like this this year, he’ll go out like this next year. They need his replacement regardless of what he chooses to do.

Draft Lomu and let him understudy at RT for a year or until Lane gets dinged

Although i am quite curious about Williams after seeing his first live fire performance

This isn't going to be the only move, others are needed on the offensive side of the ball...next up should be WR coach Moorhead, I see no improvement over the 4 years especially at the 3-4 position.

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

It was a necessary evil to get a real OC unfortunately.

I don't disagree... but it still sucks. This weekend of football will also suck.

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Draft Lomu and let him understudy at RT for a year or until Lane gets dinged

Although i am quite curious about Williams after seeing his first live fire performance

Kendall is another guy I’m curious about. Dude was stellar at C. Williams was a mixed bag, very inconsistent technique…but a mammoth of a human.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't disagree... but it still sucks. This weekend of football will also suck.

Honestly, i don’t think it will suck. We lucked out and the D didn’t will the team to making us watch this horrid O for another week. We should build that ref crew a statue for that btw.