I was at a Flyers game in the 90s.

Desjardins crashed into another defenseman leading to a 3 on zero.

They passed 3 or 4 times and got Hextall to bite and put the puck into the open net.

A moron close to me yelled out "Hextall, you suck!"

That is exactly like the Hurts Hate Cult.

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Jalen Hurts is currently tied for 2nd all time in career rushing TDs, only 1 TD behind Emmitt Smith for most career Super Bowl rushing touchdowns at 5. It will be exciting the next time Jalen takes this team to a Super Bowl if he is able to not just tie that record but also break it.

Who do you want to play against the most in the SB? Bills or Ravens for me

3 hours ago, devpool said:

Hurts has been fine with good coaching. Steichen and Moore, he played fine. Johnson and Patullo, he played like crap. No confidence in the coaching leads to hurts reverting back to the worst version of himself. Bails out of clean pockets, doesn't throw with anticipation, holds the ball too long.

As long as coaching is competent this year, hurts will be good enough. Just need a game manager with this defense, if he can be better than that more consistently than a quarter at a time then it's icing on the cake.

He wasn't really fine passing with Moore. But I think I have another take on this? People might find it rough though.

Keep in mind in 2022, it wasn't just Steichen that Hurts had. It was also Brian Johnson as QB coach. Kinda felt like once Brian Johnson was no longer his QB coach, a lot of the small details went out the window. Especially when it came to rhythm for footwork.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Who do you want to play against the most in the SB? Bills or Ravens for me

Would love to play the Chiefs a 3rd time just to win the best of 3 series. Or Patriots if they win next week.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This post makes no more optimistic assumptions than your evaluations and assessments of Jalen Hurts.

And yet I've been proven much more right over the past 5 years than you or any of his constant detractors.

3 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I will never jump ship but I will however do this. I will remind the haters of 3 things forever.

1. Unlike Josh Allen, Hurts has played in a Super Bowl.

2. Unlike Josh Allen, Hurts has won a Super Bowl.

3. And finally unlike Josh Allen, Hurts has won a Super Bowl MVP

Big D Mahomes is coming back so this is now forever.

Ever feel like for other teams, Super Bowl MVP is a footnote, but for Eagles fans with Hurts, it's like the single most important award and worth even more than League MVP?

Re the Laughable: "Hurts is only on the roster due to his contract and thinks he will be traded next year..." blather

Randall 2.0

I would root for my garbage level 9-8 Eagles with a Hoying type at QB and I will also root for Indy or Minnesota with Hurts since the Eagles would have zero chance of facing them in the playoffs anytime soon. I rooted for Foles in Chicago and Jacksonville too. I'm weird like that for players who win Championships. I will be rooting for Mack Hollins and Milton Williams on Sunday.

None of that will happen though since they just lobotomized Siri by revamping the offense with smart young coaches with creativity and knowledge. Siri has now been lobotomized after getting castrated after 2023. A bad 2026 means Siri is gone, not Hurts.

If you want to pretend that Hurts will go from 34 TDs and 10 turnovers to something like 24 TDs and 18 turnovers with a better OC and a healthier O-line then you might as well pretend McKee will replace him in week 8 and throw 7 TDs every week. Once you start smoking crack, don't limit your imagination.

2 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I think analyzing the East-West shrine game is a bit of a waste of time if you're trying to get insight on Mannion. The way you coach and scheme in that game vs. the NFL is pretty different. But it is good to see people saying positive things.

Not entirely a waste of time. It gave a glimpse of what he views as base stuff.

5 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Ever feel like for other teams, Super Bowl MVP is a footnote, but for Eagles fans with Hurts, it's like the single most important award and worth even more than League MVP?

Actually no. I’d much rather have a player on my team by Super Bowl MVP and I think people generally remember those. Look at how they campaigned for Embiid for MVP. Who cares about that?

5 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Ever feel like for other teams, Super Bowl MVP is a footnote, but for Eagles fans with Hurts, it's like the single most important award and worth even more than League MVP?

Not for nothing, but I think most fanbases would rather have a SB MVP QB over a league MVP QB. It means he won you a SB.

Do you think Panthers fans would rather have Cam Newton's NFL career or Jalen Hurts'? I think they'd take the Lombardi.

7 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Ever feel like for other teams, Super Bowl MVP is a footnote, but for Eagles fans with Hurts, it's like the single most important award and worth even more than League MVP?

Well, if it means we won the Super Bowl, yes, it’s the most important award and worth more than the League MVP. Duh!

8 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

This seems like more of the internal CYA of the Eagles O coaches. I recognize Hurts has limitations and likes certain things but he has shown that he likes to win more than anything and I really doubt that he said keep calling the same bad plays you've been calling that haven't been working because that's all I'm willing to do.

In any case I'm glad they are pushing for a completely new system so we can see if Hurts can/won't run it. The rest is just speculation

No, I think there's sense behind this. You just have to look at it from the right perspective. Don't absolve the coaches of the problem, but instead look at the timeline.

The hirings of Doug and Sirianni were focused on emotional intelligence - a reaction to Chip Kelly. For people to have higher EQ, a lot of times they are less likely to dictate things to others. So put differently, you could argue that what this is saying is that the coaches aren't strict enough and don't have the required discipline structurally to push Jalen outside his comfort zone, favoring adapting to him instead. This makes sense actually, and highlights that coaching isn't always about skill, it can be about fit too.

It's funny because you can put it this way: Patullo is probably too nice to be OC in the way that the Eagles need. When you have a QB who is close to what you're looking for in one, you can be more adaptive to the QB. When you have to tear one down and rebuild them, that's totally different, right?

Notice how exactly none of the way I described it implicates Hurts, it just talks about how sometimes puzzle pieces don't fit together so well.

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Ever feel like for other teams, Super Bowl MVP is a footnote, but for Eagles fans with Hurts, it's like the single most important award and worth even more than League MVP?

After living through Jaworski and McNabb, having Hurts play big in the big game has been a breath of fresh air, to say the least. I never had enough confidence in Cunningham to believe he could even make a big game — partly why the Falcons beating the Vikings in the NFC Championship Game is one of my favourite non-Eagles games of all time.

Hurts has a lot of really good qualities. He lives, eats, and breathes football, it’s beyond imagination that he’d run into off-field trouble, and he’s put the work in to become a lot better than his talent alone would dictate. I’m just somewhat biased against "dual threat QBs”, and especially don’t want to hang onto them when their best-before date has passed.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Actually no. I’d much rather have a player on my team by Super Bowl MVP and I think people generally remember those. Look at how they campaigned for Embiid for MVP. Who cares about that?

I guess my comment was confusing. What I MEANT was 'for other fanbases, Super Bowl MVP is a footnote'.

4 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Not for nothing, but I think most fanbases would rather have a SB MVP QB over a league MVP QB. It means he won you a SB.

Do you think Panthers fans would rather have Cam Newton's NFL career or Jalen Hurts'? I think they'd take the Lombardi.

I mean. I don't really think SB MVP is directly indicative of the Lombardi? Like they're two different things? You can win a SB with someone else getting MVP. However it's much harder for other players to do that than the QB, which is the reason I feel the award is so overrated. Unless QBs are putting up Nick Foles performances, I kinda just go whatever. Lombardi? Super important.

SB MVP? I'm not going to look at any QB differently for that unless he had a Foles-like performance. If it was from the first SB, I could see it. Second one? Not so much, defense was MVP of that game, but you can't give it to a unit.

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

Well, if it means we won the Super Bowl, yes, it’s the most important award and worth more than the League MVP. Duh!

...The Lombardi already means he won the Super Bowl though!!!

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

Well, if it means we won the Super Bowl, yes, it’s the most important award and worth more than the League MVP. Duh!

Yep, you could have polled 1,000 Eagles fans a decade ago and asked them what do you want more, a QB who will win a SB MVP as an Eagle or an NFL MVP?

I guarantee you all of them would have said SB MVP. WTF cares about NFL MVP, it's a glorified 1st team all-pro for QBs.

5 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

No, I think there's sense behind this. You just have to look at it from the right perspective. Don't absolve the coaches of the problem, but instead look at the timeline.

The hirings of Doug and Sirianni were focused on emotional intelligence - a reaction to Chip Kelly. For people to have higher EQ, a lot of times they are less likely to dictate things to others. So put differently, you could argue that what this is saying is that the coaches aren't strict enough and don't have the required discipline structurally to push Jalen outside his comfort zone, favoring adapting to him instead. This makes sense actually, and highlights that coaching isn't always about skill, it can be about fit too.

It's funny because you can put it this way: Patullo is probably too nice to be OC in the way that the Eagles need. When you have a QB who is close to what you're looking for in one, you can be more adaptive to the QB. When you have to tear one down and rebuild them, that's totally different, right?

Notice how exactly none of the way I described it implicates Hurts, it just talks about how sometimes puzzle pieces don't fit together so well.

I definitely think Hurts has strengths and weaknesses. And also tendencies and limitations. But that said the coaching was just horrific. I think framing it as Patullo was too nice is understates how bad he was in so many areas. His game planning was bad but for that he had help so they sometimes started ok. He couldn’t sequence plays and he was routinely outcoached as the game went on. He was just flat out horrendous

6 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Ever feel like for other teams, Super Bowl MVP is a footnote, but for Eagles fans with Hurts, it's like the single most important award and worth even more than League MVP?

You win the Turkey Hill left in the car trunk in July for a weekend Worst Post of the Day.

SB MVP means championships.

NFL MVP is a popularity contest voted on by weirdos.

Have you been to many regular season MVP parades?

Bengals fans lost both SBs to the 49ers but they won the real prize with Anderson and Boomer getting the AP MVP! 🤡💩

How many people watch the Super Bowl? How many watch the NFL Honors?

15 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Ever feel like for other teams, Super Bowl MVP is a footnote, but for Eagles fans with Hurts, it's like the single most important award and worth even more than League MVP?

It is worth more. Since 2015 only Brady and Mahomes have been both, not always in the same season. What would you rather, SB MVP pr League MVP? I think the choice is obvious.

Just now, SkippyX said:

You win the Turkey Hill left in the car trunk in July for a weekend Worst Post of the Day.

SB MVP means championships.

NFL MVP is a popularity contest voted on by weirdos.

Have you been to many regular season MVP parades?

Bengals fans lost both SBs to the 49ers but they won the real prize with Anderson and Boomer getting the AP MVP! 🤡💩

How many people watch the Super Bowl? How many watch the NFL Honors?

Read my clarification in response to the first person who said this, I worded it in a really stupid way.

5 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

It is worth more. Since 2015 only Brady and Mahomes have been both, not always in the same season. What would you rather, SB MVP pr League MVP? I think the choice is obvious.

Yea because Cam had MVP in 2015 (had to look that up) and Von Miller had the SB MVP

Just now, Freshmilk said:

It is worth more. Since 2015 only Brady and Mahomes have been both, not always in the same season. What would you rather, SB MVP pr League MVP? I think the choice is obvious.

@SkippyX @pgcd3 @D-Shiznit @Alphagrand @just relax

I think people are really confused here, so let me elaborate what I'm saying.

I'm implying that I don't feel like other teams view 'SB MVP' as a stalwart defense of their players, because they consider that a footnote to already WINNING the Lombardi Trophy. So like the Lombardi is the big prize, the thing that matters. "X person won a Super Bowl!"

That's the categorizer. But they don't be like "SB MVP!" to add legitimacy. With Mahomes, you hear a lot of 'he won three lombardis, that's why he's the GOAT runner up'.

You hear about his All-Pros, you hear about his League MVPs...

You do NOT hear them say "And he's a three-time Super Bowl MVP!!!" all that much in comparison.

Do you understand what I'm saying now? I'm saying that compared to already winning the Lombardi, it feels like other fanbases view SB MVP as a footnote.

I take responsibility for not clarifying my original question anywhere near enough. I deserved those responses for wording it so terribly.

I kind of get the argument though. SB MVP usually goes to the winning QB even if it should go to another player on the winning team while league MVP does go to the best or at least top 3

7 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Read my clarification in response to the first person who said this, I worded it in a really stupid way.

That’s fair and we forgive you. Well, I do anyway.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Read my clarification in response to the first person who said this, I worded it in a really stupid way.

No, its still a grade Z pathetic argument.

Hurts played like Nick Foles in the Super Bowl... twice.

He's one of the 10 best QBs in SB History, and maybe top 5.

Do you have the processing power to understand what the P in MVP stands for?

Hint: Its not the entire defense, or coach, or head of security, or owner.

I hope Hurts/McKee/Random-QB-playing-for-the-Eagles wins the the next 10 SB MVPs. Don't care if he doesn't win a single NFL MVP, heck I don't even care if he makes a probowl as a starter. Give me all the SB MVPs you got.