February 1Feb 1 If Drake Maye runs for 74 yards on Sunday, the Patriots are winning by 10+Its because QBs who can dominate with their arms and legs just destroy a defense.They turn 3rd and 7 into another 1st down and punts into TDs or FGs.The league MVP level Saquon was annihilated by KC in the run game. You can watch him talking about it.They could do nothing to stop Hurts from running or throwing. Hurts even got Saquon going in the pass game.He made 2 big throws to Dotson.The Dagger will be an all time NFL legend play still watched 30 years from now.There are lots of players who can run and pass but only one in NFL History has 10+ rushing TDs and 10+ passing TDs in the playoffs.He led the 2025 Eagles to the most points in the history of a playoff season.WTF is wrong with you cultists?
February 1Feb 1 1 minute ago, SkippyX said:No, its still a grade Z pathetic argument.Hurts played like Nick Foles in the Super Bowl... twice.He's one of the 10 best QBs in SB History, and maybe top 5.Do you have the processing power to understand what the P in MVP stands for?Hint: Its not the entire defense, or coach, or head of security, or owner.I don't really agree. He played like Foles in the Super Bowl once. The second one the defense gave him back the ball constantly and he threw a pick. To me, the 2022 performance is way, way, way, way, way more impressive. He almost won by putting the team on his back. So many people blamed Hurts for fumbling in that game, but I legitimately do not care, he is not the reason why we lost, and I am very stalwart in that.Put differently, how much I care about Super Bowl MVP is really dependent on the quality of the performance. You got the award, sure, but were you ACTUALLY the difference maker?In 2024 SB, not really, the defense was the difference maker, they butchered Mahomes and got the ball back for Jalen to be effective. In 2022, if the defense did literally anything at all (in the second half), Hurts would have been the difference maker. In 2018, Foles was the difference maker. I realize other people might view it differently though, and I'm fine with that.
February 1Feb 1 If Wentz stayed healthy and played like Hurts in the 2024 SB in his 2017 SB, he would have been worshiped.
February 1Feb 1 SB MVP should have gone to Sweat or someone on defense. Hurts played well but the defense won the game
February 1Feb 1 League MVP is usually QB or sometimes RB.The last time a position other than QB or RB won was 40 years ago, Lawrence Taylor LB in 1986.
February 1Feb 1 Just now, NOTW said:League MVP is usually QB or sometimes RB.The last time a position other than QB or RB won was 40 years ago, Lawrence Taylor LB in 1986.See, now I think this is an effective counterargument in a lot of ways. Although my point was how other fanbases perceive things but yeah. Good mention.
February 1Feb 1 Hurts will win an regular season MVP within the next 3 years. Don't worry, he will finish his career with at least one of each. Super Bowl and regular season.
February 1Feb 1 2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:SB MVP should have gone to Sweat or someone on defense. Hurts played well but the defense won the gameYep, but it's also fair to acknowledge that if we won 2022, no one deserved it more than Hurts. I don't consider that performance worse than Foles'. But he didn't have a Brandon Graham last minute play to help him out.
February 1Feb 1 9 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:@SkippyX @pgcd3 @D-Shiznit @Alphagrand @just relaxI think people are really confused here, so let me elaborate what I'm saying.I'm implying that I don't feel like other teams view 'SB MVP' as a stalwart defense of their players, because they consider that a footnote to already WINNING the Lombardi Trophy. So like the Lombardi is the big prize, the thing that matters. "X person won a Super Bowl!"That's the categorizer. But they don't be like "SB MVP!" to add legitimacy. With Mahomes, you hear a lot of 'he won three lombardis, that's why he's the GOAT runner up'. You hear about his All-Pros, you hear about his League MVPs...You do NOT hear them say "And he's a three-time Super Bowl MVP!!!" all that much in comparison.Do you understand what I'm saying now? I'm saying that compared to already winning the Lombardi, it feels like other fanbases view SB MVP as a footnote.I take responsibility for not clarifying my original question anywhere near enough. I deserved those responses for wording it so terribly.How much time do you spend on the KC board. KC radio, et al reading and listening to what they have to say about it? I don't so can't venture a guess, but football fans are a fairly common breed and find the things to boost them and brag. And Foles got a statue for his SB MVP, which I assume you think is fun?
February 1Feb 1 Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:I don't really agree. He played like Foles in the Super Bowl once. The second one the defense gave him back the ball constantly and he threw a pick. To me, the 2022 performance is way, way, way, way, way more impressive. He almost won by putting the team on his back. So many people blamed Hurts for fumbling in that game, but I legitimately do not care, he is not the reason why we lost, and I am very stalwart in that.Put differently, how much I care about Super Bowl MVP is really dependent on the quality of the performance. You got the award, sure, but were you ACTUALLY the difference maker?In 2024 SB, not really, the defense was the difference maker, they butchered Mahomes and got the ball back for Jalen to be effective. In 2022, if the defense did literally anything at all, Hurts would have been the difference maker. In 2018, Foles was the difference maker. I realize other people might view it differently though, and I'm fine with that.He took the team to 2 SBs in 5 years as a starter.They went to 3 SBs in the 56 years before that.You are free to not really agree with reality all day long.We, who are not cultists, would like a 3rd and maybe a 4th SB.The Cultists want to bring back the Ray Rhodes Era as long as it means no Hurts.FWIW he was Regular Season MVP level in 2022 with Siri shutting down the offense like an idiot in the 2nd half 6 to 10 times.AJ was Offensive Player of the Year level too but again, Siri anchored the offense so Jefferson won instead.I get that analyzing Hurts play in 2022 and how the Eagles managed the offense in the 2nd half of games is far beyond you.You just want to have your feelings.Anyone else who is not in the cult can check it out.
February 1Feb 1 Just now, Freshmilk said:How much time do you spend on the KC board. KC radio, et al reading and listening to what they have to say about it? I don't so can't venture a guess, but football fans are a fairly common breed and find the things to boost them and brag.I cross over sometimes and lurk, I also view general NFL boards (with like fanbase mixes), but I openly admit it's nowhere near the level of the Eagles! If it was, that'd be kinda weird...
February 1Feb 1 1 minute ago, SkippyX said:He took the team to 2 SBs in 5 years as a starter.They went to 3 SBs in the 56 years before that.You are free to not really agree with reality all day long.We, who are not cultists, would like a 3rd and maybe a 4th SB.The Cultists want to bring back the Ray Rhodes Era as long as it means no Hurts.FWIW he was Regular Season MVP level in 2022 with Siri shutting down the offense like an idiot in the 2nd half 6 to 10 times.AJ was Offensive Player of the Year level too but again, Siri anchored the offense so Jefferson won instead.I get that analyzing Hurts play in 2022 and how the Eagles managed the offense in the 2nd half of games is far beyond you.You just want to have your feelings.Anyone else who is not in the cult can check it out....I don't think it's fair to call me a cultist just because of my views on the Super Bowl MVP award, and having a different opinion on it's importance opposed to the Lombardi Trophy. And regardless of MVP, Hurts was fantastic in 2022. It's not even just about stats, it's how he handled the football, and how he was throwing with anticipation. Some of the completions were specifically because he was throwing the ball ahead of schedule, his timing was better.If you want to make the argument it was a lost MVP year, I will neither agree nor disagree because I don't have that data. That does explain why you get so frustrated when Sirianni shut down the offense though in second halves of games?
February 1Feb 1 6 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:...I don't think it's fair to call me a cultist just because of my views on the Super Bowl MVP award, and having a different opinion on it's importance opposed to the Lombardi Trophy. And regardless of MVP, Hurts was fantastic in 2022. It's not even just about stats, it's how he handled the football, and how he was throwing with anticipation. Some of the completions were specifically because he was throwing the ball ahead of schedule, his timing was better.If you want to make the argument it was a lost MVP year, I will neither agree nor disagree because I don't have that data. That does explain why you get so frustrated when Sirianni shut down the offense though in second halves of games?That guy would sniff Hurts jockstrap if given the chance
February 1Feb 1 12 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:Yep, but it's also fair to acknowledge that if we won 2022, no one deserved it more than Hurts. I don't consider that performance worse than Foles'. But he didn't have a Brandon Graham last minute play to help him out.Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, the guy played extremely well in the two most important games of his career. He got awarded it for the second game instead of the first because that's the game they won, but I think it's fair to say that regardless of which game it was awarded for, he earned at least one super bowl MVP award even if it was for the "wrong" game.
February 1Feb 1 8 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:...I don't think it's fair to call me a cultist just because of my views on the Super Bowl MVP award, and having a different opinion on it's importance opposed to the Lombardi Trophy. And regardless of MVP, Hurts was fantastic in 2022. It's not even just about stats, it's how he handled the football, and how he was throwing with anticipation. Some of the completions were specifically because he was throwing the ball ahead of schedule, his timing was better.If you want to make the argument it was a lost MVP year, I will neither agree nor disagree because I don't have that data. That does explain why you get so frustrated when Sirianni shut down the offense though in second halves of games?If you have no idea that Hurts was great in 2 SBs and also played like a league MVP in 2022 then you are a cultist.Prove to us that you understand this and you know you were wrong and move on.FWIW, he was also MVP level through 11 weeks of 2023. Watch the highlights.We sure love Wentz for those 13 games in 2017. I even loved Wentz for his 2019 effort on a bad team. He had 28 TDs and 14 turnovers in a difficult situation.Hey, I know a QB who just had 34 TDs and 10 turnovers in a difficult situation!If you give almost zero credit to the greatest QB in Eagles history then I will give you zero credit for knowing anything.
February 1Feb 1 31 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:I hope Hurts/McKee/Random-QB-playing-for-the-Eagles wins the the next 10 SB MVPs. Don't care if he doesn't win a single NFL MVP, heck I don't even care if he makes a probowl as a starter. Give me all the SB MVPs you got.I get what you're saying, but a better way to say it is that if you put both SB MVP and the Lombardi Trophy on a spectrum of importance, and assigned them a total percentage, like 100%, right?I consider the Lombardi Trophy like 92% of the importance, and SB MVP like 8%. You can't win SB MVP without winning the Super Bowl, but to me it's more like an indicator (that you won) rather than its own highly valuable award UNLESS it's won by a non-QB OR the performance to get it was particularly elite. Otherwise, to me, the vast majority of the stock goes to the Lombardi in my eyes.
February 1Feb 1 33 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:Do you understand what I'm saying now? I'm saying that compared to already winning the Lombardi, it feels like other fanbases view SB MVP as a footnote.I take responsibility for not clarifying my original question anywhere near enough. I deserved those responses for wording it so terribly.If you're trying to say, that on average, the player that gets awarded the League MVP is generally a better player than the one to that gets awarded the Super Bowl MVP, then I agree. By that I mean, if you go back 20 or 30 years and compiled the names, the list of league MVP winners will probably look like a stronger list than the Super Bowl MVP winners. Maybe that's what you meant by implying other fan bases are more likely to agree with that type of statement? That's kinda where my head eventually got to when I saw you comparing the two awards. Almost every fan would say they'd prefer to have a player on their team win Super Bowl MVP because of the obvious implications, but I wouldn't say that necessarily means that same player is better than the League MVP.
February 1Feb 1 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:If you're trying to say, that on average, the player that gets awarded the League MVP is generally a better player than the one to that gets awarded the Super Bowl MVP, then I agree. By that I mean, if you go back 20 or 30 years and compiled the names, the list of league MVP winners will probably look like a stronger list than the Super Bowl MVP winners. Maybe that's what you meant by implying other fan bases are more likely to agree with that type of statement? That's kinda where my head eventually got to when I saw you comparing the two awards. Almost every fan would say they'd prefer to have a player on their team win Super Bowl MVP because of the obvious implications, but I wouldn't say that necessarily means that same player is better than the League MVP.Sorta. The best way to sum it up is how heavily accolades are perceived without indications of what they do. So like for example other fanbases will talk about the Lombardi being won a lot, but I feel like they talk about MVP of past Super Bowls less than just winning the chip. A lot of them stop at 'won a chip in X year'. Like think about Jordan, right? Now this is even in Basketball when it's a series. When they try to argue (which I think is silly) about who is best, and whatever, what do you hear more?How many rings the players won, or arguing over Finals MVP?And like I said, this is with a significantly bigger sample size where Finals MVP is a body of work over up to 7 games. With Brady, is it about how many rings he won, or how many Super Bowl MVPs?Hopefully that explains what I'm trying to say. I basically consider a championship win to have like 92% of the accolade, and SB MVP is like the remaining 8%. Exceptions are only involved when the performance was particularly incredible, at least for QBs.
February 1Feb 1 42 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:See, now I think this is an effective counterargument in a lot of ways. Although my point was how other fanbases perceive things but yeah. Good mention.I wasn't arguing a point one way or another, was just providing some facts and context. I recalled usually it's a QB and was curious to look up the positions over the years.Ready for a shock? In 1982 is was a Kicker. There's a trivia night nugget for ya!https://www.pro-football-reference.com/awards/ap-nfl-mvp-award.htm
February 1Feb 1 I brought up the TE Roush yesterday. Because hes supposed to be a good blocker and advanced stats point to him having some receiving ability.There are some big 6'7''ish TEs that make my stomach turn watching them. They are not elusive, and the way they get chopped down just looks like an injury waiting to happen. I dont think I can stand to watch Roush getting tackled on a weekly basis.There is also a massive downgrade from the way Max Klare moves, to the way Roush moves. The difference is striking.Max Klare blocks too. But he also looks like a real athlete in the passing game.
February 1Feb 1 19 minutes ago, SkippyX said:If you give almost zero credit to the greatest QB in Eagles history then I will give you zero credit for knowing anything.I think I just gave him credit in the post your quoted. You do realize 2022 was my favorite performance of his and the one that I really wish we'd see more of, right? I was saying that I'm not the kind of guy who will stop and dig through late game in all those games to see how much extra could have been added if we didn't run the football in the second half of games because...Hurts had already played very well, passed in the games very well, and we won the games? That's kinda normal, I think. Relax...
February 1Feb 1 Hurts had 293 yards and 3 TDs and 1 pick in the Super Bowl:QB SB MVPs with Worse Games:1969 Joe Namath 206 and 02022 Mahomes 226 and 32019 Mahomes 315 yards 3 TDs 2 picks and 2 fumbles (none lost)2001 Brady 148 yards 1 TD2007 Eli 259 and 2 with 1 pick, 2 fumbles (none lost)2011 Eli 295 and 12009 Brees 287 and 22006 Manning 247 1 and 1 with 1 fumble lost ? 1998 Elway 338 2 and 1 ?1991 Rypien 288 2 and 11981 Montana 175 and 2 ? 1980 Plunkett 270 and 3 ?1979 Bradshaw 318 2 and 31971 Staubach 137 and 21967 Starr 216 and 11968 Starr 250 and 21970 Dawson 153 1 and 115 he was definitely better in 2024, 2 maybe, and 16 probably not.Another case where reality beats cultist feelings.
February 1Feb 1 4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:He didn't play fine with Moore. They had to stop throwing as much and get carried by Barkley.He was the definition of fine in 2024. Wasn't incredible, wasn't awful. He's not built to throw the ball 30+ times a game, this team should know that by now. He was much better at staying in the pocket, he threw the ball away a lot more when the season prior he was just running out of bounds for sacks, he spread the ball a little better. He wasn't actually bad like he was this past year.
February 1Feb 1 Brian Sipe Rich GannonEarl MorrallRoman GabrielJohn BrodieBert JonesKen AndersonBoomer EsiasonJoe TheismannSteve McNairCam NewtonMatt RyanI'll take the SB MVP QBs, thanks.
February 1Feb 1 11 minutes ago, devpool said:He was the definition of fine in 2024. Wasn't incredible, wasn't awful. He's not built to throw the ball 30+ times a game, this team should know that by now. He was much better at staying in the pocket, he threw the ball away a lot more when the season prior he was just running out of bounds for sacks, he spread the ball a little better. He wasn't actually bad like he was this past year.If he wasnt bad, the team would have been better than 2-2 and the OL wouldnt have had to go to the coaches and say hey, lets just run the ball. And people wouldnt have been saying Moore sucks.
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