March 10Mar 10 17 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:Yeah edge is my biggest concern. We saw what happened last year starting with same players. Not so worried about safety yet. Reed was replaceable. They need to find a replacement but that seems doable and we have LBsA better CB2 and safeties will help the rush a lot. They can't be weak in the secondary and edge. Yes Q and Coop are great but teams will exploit the weak spots if they aren't solid (not PB)
March 10Mar 10 I know Coop is a "nickel/slot cb.” But that role is a bit different than simply CB. He was, IMO, the biggest playmaker on the entire defense last year. He was closer to the Dawkins of the defense than he was to the Al Harris or Rod Hood nickel CB.He’ll blow up a play for a loss in the flat annihilating a 240lb rb, break up a pass 40 yards downfield, and do everything in between.The more unstable the secondary becomes, the harder it may be for him to do that.
March 10Mar 10 14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Guess Howie wasn't kidding about Steen.AVT is a good player but has an extensive injury history. Thought Steen played ok. He isn't the people mover that Becton was but he did fine. Curious to see what the contract looks like for AVT
March 10Mar 10 Just now, eagle45 said:I know Coop is a "nickel/slot cb.” But that role is a bit different than simply CB. He was, IMO, the biggest playmaker on the entire defense last year. He was closer to the Dawkins of the defense than he was to the Al Harris or Rod Hood nickel CB.He’ll blow up a play for a loss in the flat annihilating a 240lb rb, break up a pass 40 yards downfield, and do everything in between.The more unstable the secondary becomes, the harder it may be for him to do that.Yep. Changes the defense when they have to compensate for weak spots
March 10Mar 10 This offense thrived off a road grading OL that had massive guards who could still pull and a mobile center to spring second level blocks. That was the blue print for the OL and, really, the whole offense.Steen is a perfectly adequate starting OG, but he’s just not a fit for that model. But is that even what the model is anymore?
March 10Mar 10 1 hour ago, eagle45 said:I know Coop is a "nickel/slot cb.” But that role is a bit different than simply CB. He was, IMO, the biggest playmaker on the entire defense last year. He was closer to the Dawkins of the defense than he was to the Al Harris or Rod Hood nickel CB.He’ll blow up a play for a loss in the flat annihilating a 240lb rb, break up a pass 40 yards downfield, and do everything in between.The more unstable the secondary becomes, the harder it may be for him to do that.I wonder if Mukaba could make them better.Better coverage/speed and a knack for the ball.
March 10Mar 10 2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:Guess Howie wasn't kidding about Steen.Steen was alright. Not awful, not awesome. C, LG, and RT are all much bigger problems at this time due to the unpredictable nature of their availability. I doubt any of Dickerson, Jurgens, or Johnson is able to play a complete season anymore.
March 10Mar 10 3 hours ago, eagle45 said:That was initially depressing to see, but it makes zero sense. If they can’t trade Parsons and have no firsts for 2 years, it’s essentially impossible for them offer enough capital to initiate a discussion.And if they weren’t intending to keep Carter, I really figure they would have made more of a push for Philips.No way I would ever take the Podcaster over the Carter...0 chance
March 10Mar 10 8 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:Why? Lets the crappy teams overpay for average to above average playersgNah, Reed is average but there was a clear needed roll that he played. You need a couple solid but cheap guys to round out the unit. Feels like the same miss as last year letting Rodgers go. Minor in the overall context but still a miss.
March 10Mar 10 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:Nah, Reed is average but there was a clear needed roll that he played. You need a couple solid but cheap guys to round out the unit. Feels like the same miss as last year letting Rodgers go. Minor in the overall context but still a miss.Agree with this. Blank was clearly affordable but Howie just didn't feel he was worth the money. At some point you have to pay middle class guys. You can;t keep brining in guys on a one year $3M contracts and expect success, Baun being the exception.
March 10Mar 10 I have been thinking about our offense. What players do you bring in to make it perform better? We have arguably some of the best skill players in the league. Imo we have to hope that the oc was 80 to 90 % of the issue last year. If not we need some new skill players and a rebuild on offense.
March 10Mar 10 3 minutes ago, greend said:I have been thinking about our offense. What players do you bring in to make it perform better? We have arguably some of the best skill players in the league. Imo we have to hope that the oc was 80 to 90 % of the issue last year. If not we need some new skill players and a rebuild on offense.To me the key item last year was the lack of health on the OL and if we can't run the ball then we don't have an O that functions together with Hurts' capabilities. The KP issues were there and clearly he wasn't able to do much to help overcome the OL injuries but I put Patullo #2 on the list of issues from last year. As such, I think the OL needs to be fortified as the top prio. RT or G is the play in my book.When you say "new skill players" what do you mean? I don't see much wrong with Barkley, Tank, AJ, Smith, and Goedert. Are you talking about Hurts?
March 10Mar 10 8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:When you say "new skill players" what do you mean? I don't see much wrong with Barkley, Tank, AJ, Smith, and Goedert. Are you talking about Hurts?In our view we do have very good skill players. Is that view wrong? I would say Hurts and Barkley if I was questioning anyone specifically. I've always questioned Hurts, but I can't say I was thrilled with the way the backups seemed to run better behind the same oline as Barkley.Again hopefully our skill players are as good as we think and oc and possibly oline will fix it
March 10Mar 10 4 minutes ago, greend said:In our view we do have very good skill players. Is that view wrong? I would say Hurts and Barkley if I was questioning anyone specifically. I've always questioned Hurts, but I can't say I was thrilled with the way the backups seemed to run better behind the same oline as Barkley.Again hopefully our skill players are as good as we think and oc and possibly oline will fix itYeah, I think our skill players are very good. Barkley will be used in a more intelligent manner this year and we will see a lot more of Tank and a bigger sprinkling of Shipley. To me, Hurts is fine but only if we surround him with an O that works for him. When the OL can't open up some holes in the run game then Hurts isn't all that effective. This is even more important now as Hurts own running game starts to slow.
March 10Mar 10 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:Yeah, I think our skill players are very good. Barkley will be used in a more intelligent manner this year and we will see a lot more of Tank and a bigger sprinkling of Shipley. To me, Hurts is fine but only if we surround him with an O that works for him. When the OL can't open up some holes in the run game then Hurts isn't all that effective. This is even more important now as Hurts own running game starts to slow.Hopefully so. Otherwise we are screwed for a few years
March 10Mar 10 5 minutes ago, greend said:Hopefully so. Otherwise we are screwed for a few yearsWell if things don't go well I'm quite convinced we will see McKee. That would change the parameters and offer a new chance but with no guarantee of any more effectiveness.So, we install a somewhat different O but one that still has a heavy does of running, add in a new OL, change the playcaller, and give it another whirl. A tweaked situation but not a rebuild. That's how I see it anyway.
March 10Mar 10 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:Well if things don't go well I'm quite convinced we will see McKee. That would change the parameters and offer a new chance but with no guarantee of any more effectiveness.So, we install a somewhat different O but one that still has a heavy does of running, add in a new OL, change the playcaller, and give it another whirl. A tweaked situation but not a rebuild. That's how I see it anyway.I'm not on board with relying on McKee and a new oc as a future anyways. If needed this year okay.
March 10Mar 10 I keep seeing articles that the reason we couldn't sign Milton Williams, Dean, Blankenship and Phillips is because of the upcoming need to sign the likes of Davis (done), Carter, Q and Coop. And yes, all of these players need to be re-signed.But the true reason we had to let these players walk was because of the massive capital investment made in the offense, Hurts, Smith, AJ, Barkley, Dickerson, Mailata, Jurgens, etc. Howie saw this coming last year.So here is the f'ing million dollar question......knowing that they were going to have to let good to great players leave because of the massive investment in the offense, and after watching the failed experiment with Brian Johnson, how the f did this organization allow the hiring of Patullo?!?!? This organization knew last year that 2025 was going to be the last year with this core group, this was their window...they watched an inexperienced coordinator in Johnson fail miserably, and what do they do...they hire f'ing Patullo to manage their largest capital expense which prevented them from signing Williams and Sweat?!?!!? The Eagles are an incredibly well run organization. We have 2 Super Bowls. Since 2000, they have been the top 2 or 3 teams in the NFL. But to allow Patullo to be hired, after the Johnson failure, is one of their largest organizational failures under Lurie. They pissed away a year with a closing window in a wide open NFL.
March 10Mar 10 17 minutes ago, NYEagle said:I keep seeing articles that the reason we couldn't sign Milton Williams, Dean, Blankenship and Phillips is because of the upcoming need to sign the likes of Davis (done), Carter, Q and Coop. And yes, all of these players need to be re-signed.But the true reason we had to let these players walk was because of the massive capital investment made in the offense, Hurts, Smith, AJ, Barkley, Dickerson, Mailata, Jurgens, etc. Howie saw this coming last year.So here is the f'ing million dollar question......knowing that they were going to have to let good to great players leave because of the massive investment in the offense, and after watching the failed experiment with Brian Johnson, how the f did this organization allow the hiring of Patullo?!?!? This organization knew last year that 2025 was going to be the last year with this core group, this was their window...they watched an inexperienced coordinator in Johnson fail miserably, and what do they do...they hire f'ing Patullo to manage their largest capital expense which prevented them from signing Williams and Sweat?!?!!?The Eagles are an incredibly well run organization. We have 2 Super Bowls. Since 2000, they have been the top 2 or 3 teams in the NFL. But to allow Patullo to be hired, after the Johnson failure, is one of their largest organizational failures under Lurie. They pissed away a year with a closing window in a wide open NFL.The signs were there so early in the season that patullo wasn't it and they did nothing to improve the situation. They've not got much wrong recently but that was a massive F up
March 10Mar 10 9 hours ago, ManuManu said:I think they very badly wanted to keep him and were willing to pay a lot to keep him. They saw him as part of the core, but weren’t willing to pour gasoline all over themselves to sign him.Dont agree on that take at all. A mid season add isnt core.Was he a good culture fit? All signs would point to yes. Seemed like a good, fun dude.But he was an obvious shot term bandaid from the jump and a comp pick play with too many higher priority deals ongoing and on deck
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