1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

1st stint - Nate Allen, Jaiquan (sp?) Jarrett… rough transition in the post-Dawk era.

Enormous shoes to fill replacing Dawk

50 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Nate Allen was solid his rookie year but he had that bad injury and wasn’t the same after.

Jarrett sucked but will give the benefit of the doubt on his first two drafts (15, 16 years ago) and hope his player evaluations have improved since then to draft someone better.

To be fair Roseman did not get final say on the roster until 2016. He defaulted everything to the head coach (Reid/Kelly). It wasn't until Doug became the coach that he had full anatomy over the roster including the draft.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe we can afford to sign CJ Gaddis today

Eagles can give me a call

I was a UDFA for the Jets for a hot sec back in the day. Howie can give me a call. I might be old and slow but I have heart and won't break the bank :)

9 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said:

Nate Allen 2nd 37th 2010

Jaiquawn Jarrett 2nd 57th 2011

Earl Wolff 5th 136 2013

Ed Reynolds 5th 167 2014

K'Von Wallace 4th 127 2020

Sydney Brown 3rd 66th 2023

Andrew Mukuba 2nd 64th 2025

These appear to be the safeties that howie has drafted

I’m going to ascribe Ed Reynolds to Chip due to PAC-10 familiarity, and Mukuba to Vic.

9 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Hey. Just tell everyone you’re a Cowboys fan and be done with it. It all makes sense.

Now it makes total sense on why he always praises Hurts and wants Birds to keep him long term.

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If AJ was going to hold up this offseason, its up to Howie to decide if holding out for better/more picks or a player in the deal was more important than the players we could have improved with during free agency this year.

Hes not completely absolved in this situation. If hes being stubborn on rip off value like Daryl Morey and holding up this whole offseason while we miss on many other opportunities to improve...that's not good. Thats a Morey move and Morey sucks.

Honestly I still have faith in Howie to do something on paper that looks promising. He's a smart guy and he's going to see if the team looks worse while others got better. Typically he'll make a bet that can work out. He did that with Barkley betting RB would make a huge difference and it did. You could argue that Woolen is his bet but I think something else is coming

8 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

F you Kevin Patullo

Explain to me how KP has anything to do with Sweat, Burks, Slay and CJGJ?

Honestly dont even know what he has to do with Blankenship to resigning.

I would say more F the top paid offense in the league and under performing QB not worth a snack bag of Doritos for taking up the cap space.

3 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Enormous shoes to fill replacing Dawk

Indeed - aside from Dawk, much upheaval in the direction of the defense with Jim Johnson passing.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Honestly I still have faith in Howie to do something on paper that looks promising. He's a smart guy and he's going to see if the team looks worse while others got better. Typically he'll make a bet that can work out. He did that with Barkley betting RB would make a huge difference and it did. You could argue that Woolen is his bet but I think something else is coming

Howie is very smart, he understands this will be a so called "gap" year. He understands he will need to find a new franchise QB in 2027 so why burn the cap to hell for the future knowing the reset button is about to be pushed on this offense and possibly even HC after this year. If Howie believed in this offense and the QB he would restructure more contracts to get the cap to go all in. BUT you restructure the QB contract and you are stuck with him for even longer. Wouldn't be a problem if you believe he is the future.

Howie is saying a lot by doing so little.

11 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Honestly I still have faith in Howie to do something on paper that looks promising. He's a smart guy and he's going to see if the team looks worse while others got better. Typically he'll make a bet that can work out. He did that with Barkley betting RB would make a huge difference and it did. You could argue that Woolen is his bet but I think something else is coming

If we trade AJ pre-June it doesnt seem possible.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If we trade AJ pre-June it doesnt seem possible.

If they trade him pre June and there isn't a solid player coming back then they openly making the team worse this season. I doubt it happens. That's why they wanted multiple premium picks to do it.

But I definitely don't buy any of the punt the season stuff. Howie knows you never do that when you have a legit shot. And despite people's biases here this team won with most of these players so he knows it's possible with the right sequence of moves

2 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

How many Safeties has Howie even drafted in the first 3 rounds? Believe the answer to that is 1 (Mukuba) and maybe like 4 safeties total in past 10-15 years if you count like Jalen Mills (7th rounder) and K’Von Wallace (4th or 5th rounder)

So is it he can’t draft them or doesn’t draft them?

I'm not even talking just first 3 rounds. I'm talking every safety he has ever drafted. Not one starting level safety.

Nate Allen, Jaiquawn Jarrett, Sydney Brown, K'Von Wallace, Kurt Coleman, Blake Countless, JACoby Stevens, Earl Wolff, JR Reed and Makuba.

It is easily and by far the worst position for Roseman and drafting.

Well if they end up deciding to trade Brown, if they don't find an adequate replacement for him, I think it will be essentially punting on the season. I've had some takes bottled up on this offense that I'm just going to shoot off.

I think this offense has a chance to be even worse next season. Key word: chance. Because I also think it has a chance to be better. But I think a lot of people are assuming it's a lock it'll be better and not necessarily.

For one, I think the OL could be worse. There's a legitimate chance Jurgens and Dickerson are just washed and won't be any better next season. And if Lane falls off as well you're in real trouble without Stout. I think the OL has potential to be bad bad next season not just "Bad for the Eagles standards" bad.

If you trade Brown, the WRs will likely suck. I think Devonta will actually have a worse season without him. People think he'll be better because he'll be featured more and targeted more. I think the opposite. Teams will slide coverages over to him, focus solely on him in the game plan. I think people will discover Devonta isn't quite a #1 WR. He's just not big enough. He's not a guy who is going to out leap or outmuscle defenders. He's a route running technician. Which could be fine, if not for my next point....

You have a QB who IMO is nothing special anymore. Not saying he's bad, but he hasn't looked like an elite franchise QB since 2022. And does not like throwing the the ball into tight windows. Which they will be in this offense without AJ getting attention on the other side. I think Devonta's production goes down.

Without a dominant OL, the running game won't be what they want it to be. Hurts has always struggled without a dominant running game.

And who knows what TE will be.

This isn't me saying trading AJ Brown alone will make this offense suck. As I've laid out, he is only one part of many parts I think have the potential to go wrong. But I'll just say trading him(if you don't replace him with a top level WR) could be the spark that ignites an environment that is already dry and ripe for a wildfire. But generally I think this offense has such a high varying range of outcomes given the unknown of Mannion and how good/bad he is and if Hurts doesn't fit this offense, forget it. That's even with AJ Brown here.

Safety is the new LB in that they started to value LB in recent years and they have pretty much always been cheap at and undervalued safety. Look at some of the moves they made at safety in recent years:

2021 - Anthony Harris - 1 year, 4 million

2022 - Anthony Harris - 1 year, 2.5 million and Jaquiski Tart 1 year, 1.2 million

2023 - Terrell Edmunds - 1 year, 2 million and Justin Evans 1 year 1.6 million while letting Marcus Epps and CJGJ walk

2024 - CJGJ - 3 years, 9 million per

2025 - Traded CJGJ for nothing and signed nobody

2026 - Signed nobody and let Reed Blankenship walk

So over the last 6 years they have invested good money in a FA safety once and then turned around and traded that player one year later. They also let that same player walk in free agency the year before they signed him. They let Epps and Blankenship walk and were't willing to match mid level contracts to keep them. Meanwhile they have signed a bunch of cheap one year deals for players who were either past their prime or simply not that good, and only invested two premium picks in the position (Sydney Brown 3rd round, Andrew Mukuba 2nd round). This off-season we might not even get the cheap one year deal type of guy and currently have two safeties under contract (Mukuba and Brown) a week into free agency. The way they undervalue and at times ignore this position is annoying and borderline pathetic. The fact that some of you are talking yourselves into Mukuba and Michael Carter as an adequate starting safety duo is laughable. Mukuba has 10 NFL starts at the position, Carter has zero. Mukuba is 5'11 185 and Carter is 5'10 185 which would be the smallest starting safety duo in the league by far. This needs to be better, much better. Bringing back Epps and drafting another safety no later than the 3rd round pick is the bare minimum of what they should do.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Indeed - aside from Dawk, much upheaval in the direction of the defense with Jim Johnson passing.

Maybe Dawk needed this guy as DC???

38 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I'm not even talking just first 3 rounds. I'm talking every safety he has ever drafted. Not one starting level safety.

Nate Allen, Jaiquawn Jarrett, Sydney Brown, K'Von Wallace, Kurt Coleman, Blake Countless, JACoby Stevens, Earl Wolff, JR Reed and Makuba.

It is easily and by far the worst position for Roseman and drafting.

They also have basically ignored the position in free agency in recent years and are doing the same this off-season. It's crazy how much they have devalued the position and in terms of the draft it doesn't help that the highest they drafted any of these guys was Nate Allen in the 30's and otherwise they don't take safeties until the late second round or later.

1 minute ago, pangbun said:

Maybe Dawk needed this guy as DC???

That’s the cautionary tale, I wonder what we have in store after Vic hangs it up… offensively we seem OK nowadays with neophytes.

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That’s the cautionary tale, I wonder what we have in store after Vic hangs it up… offensively we seem OK nowadays with neophytes.

42 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

They also have basically ignored the position in free agency in recent years and are doing the same this off-season. It's crazy how much they have devalued the position and in terms of the draft it doesn't help that the highest they drafted any of these guys was Nate Allen in the 30's and otherwise they don't take safeties until the late second round or later.

I will say, he did go after Justin Reid last offseason and was really close to signing here according to Reid. I think they are drafting Mcneill Warren with Quinyon here.

16 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I will say, he did go after Justin Reid last offseason and was really close to signing here according to Reid. I think they are drafting Mcneill Warren with Quinyon here.

Hard to see safety in round 1 considering our history with the position plus the o-line and Lane possibly in his last lap. But alternatively, I could see this team loving both McNeil-Warren & Thieneman plus it is now a major need.

Zach Berman has been writing about the Eagles don't value the middle class. I think that is a little bit overblown and coincidental, but it's not at safety. The Eagles clearly believe they should only play safeties if they're elite(pursued McKinney and almost got him) otherwise pay them dirt cheap. No in between. Hope a good one falls to them in round 2 or 3.

The Eagles were 16th in EPA/play last year. 17th in DVOA.

We were average. Not bad. Average.

So it’s what i kind of said. They were going to trade for aj then trade Adams or even include him to save $20 mil in cap

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles were 16th in EPA/play last year. 17th in DVOA.

We were average. Not bad. Average.

There's a lot of ways to get stats to tell that story. They had a defense that kept getting them the ball back. They were 26th in the NFL in scoring % per drive but 19th in scoring offense. Both below average marks, one significantly, one slightly. One could argue their defense helped them to bridge that gap. 24th on 3rd down (and I can't find this stat but I recall them being bottom 2-3 in 3rd and long). 24th in yards.

IMO, the only thing that they could be even remotely considered average at are pass protection (slightly above average), red zone offense (very good) and turnovers(excellent). IMO, they were unequivocally below average in every other way.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So it’s what i kind of said. They were going to trade for aj then trade Adams or even include him to save $20 mil in cap

So their plan was to upgrade Adams to Brown, save money, and give up next to nothing in the process. That's like a fantasy football trade offer.