F you Kevin Patullo

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Who is the starting level safety that Roseman has drafted in his long career as GM?

Dejean is about to be.

Also - you’re a cowboys fan. I bet you have Dallas Cowboy sheets

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Dejean is about to be.

Also - you’re a cowboys fan. I bet you have Dallas Cowboy sheets

They are not moving him to safety other than base defense. He wasn't a safety in college and wasn't drafted to be one.

Having Dallas sheets doesn't make me a Cowboys fan.

It seems the plan is to play Coop at safety in base - get your 4 best DBs on the field (Q, Woolen, Coop and Mukuba). In nickel, I think Vic is higher on Carter than we realize and he is the 2nd safety with Coop at slot. Plus, that adds versatility and disguise as Carter could be the nickel sometimes to confuse the offense.

Bring back Epps, draft someone in the middle rounds.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

It seems the plan is to play Coop at safety in base - get your 4 best DBs on the field (Q, Woolen, Coop and Mukuba). In nickel, I think Vic is higher on Carter than we realize and he is the 2nd safety with Coop at slot. Plus, that adds versatility and disguise as Carter could be the nickel sometimes to confuse the offense.

Bring back Epps, draft someone in the middle rounds.

Wouldnt next contract be far higher as a safety than a nickel? Might be doing Coop a solid

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

It seems the plan is to play Coop at safety in base - get your 4 best DBs on the field (Q, Woolen, Coop and Mukuba). In nickel, I think Vic is higher on Carter than we realize and he is the 2nd safety with Coop at slot. Plus, that adds versatility and disguise as Carter could be the nickel sometimes to confuse the offense.

Bring back Epps, draft someone in the middle rounds.

I’m not worried about that scenario. That would be fine, IMO.

That may be the desperation plan, but I dont think its the plan at all. I think the plan is to address the safety situation. Anyway, nickel basically is our base.

So after a goedert re-signing the eagles could have close to 30 million dollars in cap space.

But they couldnt operate in free agency because we have to plan that an AJ trade is going to eat up 20 million of that and basically just leaves us room for signing draft picks and a little bit for in season moves necessitated by injury.

F AJ at this point. Seriously. May he be as hated as TO.

I find it interesting that there is this large-scale freak out at safety and edge.

1. The starting point is one of the best defenses in the NFL.

2. The DC is famously blunt and forthcoming. If he was worried, we'd all know (or he'd be retired).

3. They have an excellent track record of doing just fine with interchangeable parts at S.

4. They just significantly upgraded the largest weakness on the 2025 defense.

5. Jaelan Phillips is extremely overrated.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the ball, the discussion has fallen silent.

1. The starting point is one of the worst offenses in the NFL.

2. The centerpiece of the offense, Saquan Barkley, is at the point in his career where we all know he's going to decline year-over-year.

3. Ditto the guy they've proven they can't win without, Lane Johnson....crazy to even expect him to be available at all next year.

4. The Dickerson/Jurgens situation speaks for itself.

5. Installing a new offense means things won't start out well, so expect the offense to put them in a hole early in the year even if the new OC and system are good.

6. There is not even discussion about adding to the offense (because it's bloated both in the cap ledger and depth chart with people they are stuck with). Only subtraction from an offense that was far from OK.

7. Subtracting AJ Brown from a bad offense, malcontent or not, isn't going to help them suck less.

8. We all kind of know that Hurts is not a fit for a Shanahan offense. And now Hurts may transition from having an embarrassment of riches for his whole career (elite OL, elite targets) to an average-at-best OL with absolutely no one to throw to besides Smith....all in a brand new offense. I feel like we all know that's a train headed towards a cliff and are just trying to look the other way.

Just to reiterate from my above post...the big debate over Hurts, for his entire career here, is that "any starting QB would have matched his success with such an incredible supporting cast." That scenario will not happen so we can't settle the debate on that statement. But what WILL happen, however, is the other side of that coin and debate will play out.

We are going to see what Hurts looks like with a very pedestrian supporting cast. Average OL. One reliable target.

6 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Who is the starting level safety that Roseman has drafted in his long career as GM?

How many Safeties has Howie even drafted in the first 3 rounds? Believe the answer to that is 1 (Mukuba) and maybe like 4 safeties total in past 10-15 years if you count like Jalen Mills (7th rounder) and K’Von Wallace (4th or 5th rounder)

So is it he can’t draft them or doesn’t draft them?

6 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

How many Safeties has Howie even drafted in the first 3 rounds? Believe the answer to that is 1 (Mukuba) and maybe like 4 safeties total in past 10-15 years if you count like Jalen Mills (7th rounder) and K’Von Wallace (4th or 5th rounder)

So is it he can’t draft them or doesn’t draft them?

1st stint - Nate Allen, Jaiquan (sp?) Jarrett… rough transition in the post-Dawk era.

When you draft a non-premium position in round 1-2 (S, OG, LB)...you sort of want someone who projects as a playmaker, difference maker, considering that you can probably get someone who will be just fine for a lot less. So there's no point spending a first on "fine." (That's a little more tolerable to spend that on fine at OT/WR/edge). I think Mukuba was probably a 2nd round pick on "fine." That's what Nate Allen was too.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

When you draft a non-premium position in round 1-2 (S, OG, LB)...you sort of want someone who projects as a playmaker, difference maker, considering that you can probably get someone who will be just fine for a lot less. So there's no point spending a first on "fine." (That's a little more tolerable to spend that on fine at OT/WR/edge). I think Mukuba was probably a 2nd round pick on "fine." That's what Nate Allen was too.

And the last pick of the 2nd at that. It was clear watching the draft video they didn't get the guys they truly wanted after round 1.

Maybe we can afford to sign CJ Gaddis today

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe we can afford to sign CJ Gaddis today

The next Dawkins! Jumped over a car!

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

So after a goedert re-signing the eagles could have close to 30 million dollars in cap space.

But they couldnt operate in free agency because we have to plan that an AJ trade is going to eat up 20 million of that and basically just leaves us room for signing draft picks and a little bit for in season moves necessitated by injury.

F AJ at this point. Seriously. May he be as hated as TO.

I’m not giving Howie a pass on that. It’s been a known thing and there are a few ways he can play it.

But honestly I still expect something once we’re past this constipation

13 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think theyve had long enough to fish. This is all hinging on the Brown situation. This is being run like a 6ers offseason. Theres always some move hanging over our heads that we have to wait on while the rest of the league gets to make their moves. AJ Brown is Fing us this year.

From a FO perspective I don’t think there’s any rush to take the Goedert cap hit so extending that deadline indefinitely is fine. The biggest beneficiary of an AJ trade is AJ, so again I think Howie can work at a deliberate pace. Post June 1st for 2027 picks to handle long-term needs and/or a cheap player with upside that plugs a gap in short-term is acceptable to me.

56 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

1st stint - Nate Allen, Jaiquan (sp?) Jarrett… rough transition in the post-Dawk era.

Nate Allen was solid his rookie year but he had that bad injury and wasn’t the same after.

Jarrett sucked but will give the benefit of the doubt on his first two drafts (15, 16 years ago) and hope his player evaluations have improved since then to draft someone better.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I find it interesting that there is this large-scale freak out at safety and edge.

1. The starting point is one of the best defenses in the NFL.

2. The DC is famously blunt and forthcoming. If he was worried, we'd all know (or he'd be retired).

3. They have an excellent track record of doing just fine with interchangeable parts at S.

4. They just significantly upgraded the largest weakness on the 2025 defense.

5. Jaelan Phillips is extremely overrated.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the ball, the discussion has fallen silent.

1. The starting point is one of the worst offenses in the NFL.

2. The centerpiece of the offense, Saquan Barkley, is at the point in his career where we all know he's going to decline year-over-year.

3. Ditto the guy they've proven they can't win without, Lane Johnson....crazy to even expect him to be available at all next year.

4. The Dickerson/Jurgens situation speaks for itself.

5. Installing a new offense means things won't start out well, so expect the offense to put them in a hole early in the year even if the new OC and system are good.

6. There is not even discussion about adding to the offense (because it's bloated both in the cap ledger and depth chart with people they are stuck with). Only subtraction from an offense that was far from OK.

7. Subtracting AJ Brown from a bad offense, malcontent or not, isn't going to help them suck less.

8. We all kind of know that Hurts is not a fit for a Shanahan offense. And now Hurts may transition from having an embarrassment of riches for his whole career (elite OL, elite targets) to an average-at-best OL with absolutely no one to throw to besides Smith....all in a brand new offense. I feel like we all know that's a train headed towards a cliff and are just trying to look the other way.

Regarding offense, a lot of discussion has been about adding through the draft: O line, TE, WR. A lot of discussion about O line health, Hurts & everyone adjusting to new coaches, Stout leaving.

If you're talking about free agency, they're returning all 11 starters if Goedert signs. They did add a blocking TE. There's no more money for offense they are already tied up in contracts. They reworked Dickerson to save some cap.

Everyone recognizes they have to draft replacements for Lane, Dickerson and maybe Jurgens too. And a TE. And a WR either this year or next. And in a year they may even be moving on from Hurts and Barkley.

5 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Nate Allen was solid his rookie year but he had that bad injury and wasn’t the same after.

Jarrett sucked but will give the benefit of the doubt on his first two drafts (15, 16 years ago) and hope his player evaluations have improved since then to draft someone better.

Agreed - Nate Allen got hurt and the W9 scheme that we moved to under Castillo/Washburn can be very tough on safeties. His last year here with Jenkins in a more conventional defense was a decent. Jarrett was an unmitigated failure. A rough transition from the sky-high expectations following Dawk and during Howie’s first years as GM.

37 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I’m not giving Howie a pass on that. It’s been a known thing and there are a few ways he can play it.

But honestly I still expect something once we’re past this constipation

If AJ was going to hold up this offseason, its up to Howie to decide if holding out for better/more picks or a player in the deal was more important than the players we could have improved with during free agency this year.

Hes not completely absolved in this situation. If hes being stubborn on rip off value like Daryl Morey and holding up this whole offseason while we miss on many other opportunities to improve...that's not good. Thats a Morey move and Morey sucks.

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

How many Safeties has Howie even drafted in the first 3 rounds? Believe the answer to that is 1 (Mukuba) and maybe like 4 safeties total in past 10-15 years if you count like Jalen Mills (7th rounder) and K’Von Wallace (4th or 5th rounder)

So is it he can’t draft them or doesn’t draft them?

For many years, he wasn't drafting secondary high, the picks were JAGs at best. He was relying on FA & trade. And overall the drafting on defense was bad.

Starting in 2021, he went on a run of drafting well. They hadn't drafted a 1st round corner in over 20 years, a 1st round LB in 46 years. They did both back to back the years Fangio was DC. And drafted a safety in the 2nd who was a starter as a rookie. We have actual quality at the LB position where they could let Dean go and no one is worried.

Things are very different with the drafting philosophy on defense now and it's obvious Fangio influences that. So drafting a safety high is a possibility this year. In prior years we'd never expect that.

I just hope after Vic retires, they keep that philosophy and continue drafting well on defense.

22 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Regarding offense, a lot of discussion has been about adding through the draft: O line, TE, WR. A lot of discussion about O line health, Hurts & everyone adjusting to new coaches, Stout leaving.

If you're talking about free agency, they're returning all 11 starters if Goedert signs. They did add a blocking TE. There's no more money for offense they are already tied up in contracts. They reworked Dickerson to save some cap.

Everyone recognizes they have to draft replacements for Lane, Dickerson and maybe Jurgens too. And a TE. And a WR either this year or next. And in a year they may even be moving on from Hurts and Barkley.

Returning all 11 starters is a bad thing. But it sure seems that the writing on the wall is that one of Goedert/AJ will be back and one will not. And anyone they draft for offense probably isn't going to do much to help them be better this year. The offense is basically stuck in the mud as a bad unit.

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

How many Safeties has Howie even drafted in the first 3 rounds? Believe the answer to that is 1 (Mukuba) and maybe like 4 safeties total in past 10-15 years if you count like Jalen Mills (7th rounder) and K’Von Wallace (4th or 5th rounder)

So is it he can’t draft them or doesn’t draft them?

Nate Allen 2nd 37th 2010

Jaiquawn Jarrett 2nd 57th 2011

Earl Wolff 5th 136 2013

Ed Reynolds 5th 167 2014

K'Von Wallace 4th 127 2020

Sydney Brown 3rd 66th 2023

Andrew Mukuba 2nd 64th 2025

These appear to be the safeties that howie has drafted