13 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Suppose the Eagles finish 8-7-1 to win the division, which means they'll have won seven of their final ten games, many of those games against what we consider now to be good teams.

If that were to happen, wouldn't it mean that we're "playing well"? So why does everyone assume that if we get to the playoffs, they'll be bringing with them the same team that only won one of their first six games? Why are so many fans hell-bent on giving up on the season at the half-way mark?

4 of those wins would be against Dallas, NYG, WFT and Cleveland.  That's nothing to write home about.  This is not a good football team and people are fooling themselves if they think otherwise.  From the top down, this is a flawed organization. 

33 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Suppose the Eagles finish 8-7-1 to win the division, which means they'll have won seven of their final ten games, many of those games against what we consider now to be good teams.

If that were to happen, wouldn't it mean that we're "playing well"? So why does everyone assume that if we get to the playoffs, they'll be bringing with them the same team that only won one of their first six games? Why are so many fans hell-bent on giving up on the season at the half-way mark?

Negadelphians, they'd rather bemoan what they don't have than appreciate what they do.

Young receiving corps can grow down the stretch, OL can get pieces back and gel together a bit, Sanders returning helps.  And then Wentz could play somewhere between where he has been this year and where he was in 2017... all would mean vast overall improvement for this team.

 

Flawed? Of course, all teams are. 

Fun to watch?  I think it would be, and that's why I watch and follow this team.  

12 hours ago, eagle45 said:

So 7-9 in 2021 after they go 6-9-1 in 2020 will be fine?  Or 8-8?

Sure feels like a lot of people around here will be just fine with backing into the playoffs through the NFC east back door, making zero noise while there, and repeating for the next couple years.  That’s our cycle.  Many seem fine with it.

Or many just don't agree with your line of thinking of the future. 

6 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Drop Alshon.

Hell drop them both

8 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Fun to watch?  I think it would be, and that's why I watch and follow this team.  

Yup. There's very little fun about this team. If not for Fulgham, and to a lesser extent Graham getting that Pro Bowl/10 sack love, it's been bad.

43 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He didn’t.  They didn’t have an elite running game most McNabb’s tenure.   Mostly because Reid refused to focus on the run.  Westbrook was a good all around back.  But he was hardly an elite running back, consistently.   Buckhalter was an average back-up.  Nothing more.   Duce was good.  Not elite.   Elite line and elite defense don’t really count as "weapons”.   

Westbrook was an elite back, not an elite runner, but one of the best receiving RBs of all time with big, soft hands and the ability to run routes like a WR (many RBs have to face the QB to make a reception) - he was murder on screens.

Buckhalter was a fine pure runner, his problem was his knees. Once he hurt both knees, he went downhill, but when healthy had the great first step through the hole.

Duce was finished by his Liz Franc, great workhorse back who was tops at YAC, but the foot injury took away his burst.

I thought there were a lot of interesting points here. We've done very well with the PS (But Howie can't draft!).

Curious how Jacquet/Williams do with more snaps.

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

I thought there were a lot of interesting points here. We've done very well with the PS (But Howie can't draft!).

Curious how Jacquet/Williams do with more snaps.

FWIW, Jacquet graded out well by PFF, although the Cowboys offense was so bad it’s hard to take much away from that game. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He didn’t.  They didn’t have an elite running game most McNabb’s tenure.   Mostly because Reid refused to focus on the run.  Westbrook was a good all around back.  But he was hardly an elite running back, consistently.   Buckhalter was an average back-up.  Nothing more.   Duce was good.  Not elite.   Elite line and elite defense don’t really count as "weapons”.   

This is an interesting question.  Westbrook was a great receiver and very good runner.  He wasn't necessarily a 25+ carry a game runner.  I think you're right that the real issue is that Reid did not commit enough to the run even when it was effective.  Looking back over the years he was coach, the team was rarely in the top half of the League in terms of rushing attempts.  He only had one season were he was within the top 10.  

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Westbrook was an elite back, not an elite runner, but one of the best receiving RBs of all time with big, soft hands and the ability to run routes like a WR (many RBs have to face the QB to make a reception) - he was murder on screens.

Buckhalter was a fine pure runner, his problem was his knees. Once he hurt both knees, he went downhill, but when healthy had the great first step through the hole.

Duce was finished by his Liz Franc, great workhorse back who was tops at YAC, but the foot injury took away his burst.

In 2017 the team was the number 1 rushing offense with an aging LaGarette Blount, Ajayi and Clement.  That team was an elite running team because of the coach's commitment to running the ball moreso than the talent at RB. 

Who started this board?

14 minutes ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Who started this board?

@VaBeach_Eagle

 

It's hard to run the ball on obvious run downs when you're OL sucks, our guards simply can't make second level blocks, and until Peters came back, we were playing RTs who couldn't get any push. Get Lane, Driscoll, then Seumalo and finally Brooks back and it'll be a lot easier to run the ball.

2017, although replacing Peters with Vaitai was a downgrade, Wisniewski, Kelce, Brook and Lane was a fine run blocking group.

 

44 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

This is an interesting question.  Westbrook was a great receiver and very good runner.  He wasn't necessarily a 25+ carry a game runner.  I think you're right that the real issue is that Reid did not commit enough to the run even when it was effective.  Looking back over the years he was coach, the team was rarely in the top half of the League in terms of rushing attempts.  He only had one season were he was within the top 10.  

Reid always said he wasn't concerned with rushing yards or attempts as much as he was yards per attempt.

He wanted to run the ball efficiently and didn't really see the value of running the ball 30 times at a 3.0 yard clip and seemed if the team wasn't or couldn't run the ball efficiently he would just abandon it all together.

Having said that Reid had more success with his offensive philosophy than he had failures.

Sometimes I feel like Tate would rather lead the league in rushing than winning.

The two don't always correlate especially in today's pass heavy league, the chiefs were 23rd in rush yards last year.

Having said that I think Doug needs to rely on the run more because Carson could really use the help of a solid running game  in 2017 eagles were 3rd in rushing and 4th in average and Carson looked great as did the team!

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Doug is often criticized but he probably deserves more credit than people give him for adjusting what he does with the team based on how they're performing. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Doug is often criticized but he probably deserves more credit than people give him for adjusting what he does with the team based on how they're performing. 

He deserves a lot of credit for the fight and the heart that this team shows every week. It just doesn't know when it's beat and that's a huge testament to the HC.

14 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Doug is often criticized but he probably deserves more credit than people give him for adjusting what he does with the team based on how they're performing. 

Based on how they are performing and who he has at his disposal.  Not sure that any coach has been through so many impactful injuries over the past 3 years.

"I suck so the Falcons should take what they can get"

 

Weird flex. 

Jrue Holiday is officially on the trading block.

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

"I suck so the Falcons should take what they can get"

 

Weird flex. 

I’m skeptical of anybody who swore like a sailor like McKinley did onstage on national TV immediately after he was drafted.  It didn’t show very well for his character 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m skeptical of anybody who swore like a sailor like McKinley did onstage on national TV immediately after he was drafted.  It didn’t show very well for his character 

This is some hot-take

6 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Jrue Holiday is officially on the trading block.

When is basketball season anyway? 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

When is basketball season anyway? 

They are still trying to figure that out but early indications are it will start by end of December. 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

FWIW, Jacquet graded out well by PFF, although the Cowboys offense was so bad it’s hard to take much away from that game. 

I thought he did a really good job of being physical out there. When throws were made his way he wasn’t afraid to be physical with the WRs and he did an excellent job of tackling after the catch. I know he has good size at 6’1-6’2 but what’s his speed like is my question with him. I know he was a former wide receiver and he had limited experience at CB coming out of Louisiana-Lafayette