5 hours ago, metal said:

I guess we need a new practice squad QB now. Other than that, meh.

Do we really?  I think McCown was signed to be a guide in the QB room.

46 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

sigh.... yes, and they drafted JJAW over Metcalf too.   And they drafted BG over Earl Thomas.

At this point in their careers I’m taking BG 10 times out of 10 over Earl 

15 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

At this point in their careers I’m taking BG 10 times out of 10 over Earl 

Me too, but that doesn't mean we didn't hear about that pick for nearly a decade... of course, I wanted BG in the draft when it happened too.

WTF?!!! I’m just finding out McCown signed to the active roster with Houston. I loved that guy and believe he’s exactly the kind of teammate Wentz needs in his ear. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

packers have their own set of issues. They are down to their last RB and some other issues. 

Yea but 49ers are down to 1 WR. They are going to have to call up and play Kevin White and River Cracraft 

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea but 49ers are down to 1 WR. They are going to have to call up and play Kevin White and River Cracraft 

I don’t know about you, but I’ve watched a ton of river cracraft, he is a stud. He should be a stream option in fantasy. He’s a splash type player. Packers corners are going to feel like they are swimming up the creek when covering him. 

47 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

WTF?!!! I’m just finding out McCown signed to the active roster with Houston. I loved that guy and believe he’s exactly the kind of teammate Wentz needs in his ear. 

Wentz has just grown by leaps and bounds since McCown became involved with the Eagles.  

1 hour ago, Dwide Schrude said:

At this point in their careers I’m taking BG 10 times out of 10 over Earl 

Yes, and for the first 5 years...

Graham has enjoyed uncanny longevity.  He’s playing better now than he has at any point in his career and may be the best player in the nfl, right now, from the 2010 draft.  But let’s not confuse that with Graham having been better than any number of other first rounders from that draft, many of whom had their stars shine a lot brighter in their prime, Earl Thomas included.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yes, and for the first 5 years....

I still take BG over Thomas, even then. Thomas was a little overrated for me... and only really played a CF type of FS, something that the Eagles didn't use then.  So, he didn't really fit as neatly here as he ended up fitting there... with a pure box safety, and 2 physical CBs on either side.   Besides, even now, DE > S.

 

And yes, that's me rationalizing my opinion from back then as well.  I was ecstatic that the Eagles came away in that draft with Graham and Nate Allen.  sigh... one for two ain't bad.

48 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know about you, but I’ve watched a ton of river cracraft, he is a stud. He should be a stream option in fantasy. He’s a splash type player. Packers corners are going to feel like they are swimming up the creek when covering him. 

I see what you did there.

 

14 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

I see what you did there.

 

I think you mean... "I sea what you did there."

 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

He needs to do more breakdowns.

 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That's a good breakdown... and yes, Goedert is pretty good.  

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Yes, and for the first 5 years...

Graham has enjoyed uncanny longevity.  He’s playing better now than he has at any point in his career and may be the best player in the nfl, right now, from the 2010 draft.  But let’s not confuse that with Graham having been better than any number of other first rounders from that draft, many of whom had their stars shine a lot brighter in their prime, Earl Thomas included.

Not denying those first several years, BG looked like a bust & lost fans support while Earl was arguably the best defensive player in the game. You can sit & wonder about the impact Earl would of had in Eagles secondary & what the team would of look like with someone good back there, but the fact is Eagles don’t beat Pats in Super Bowl without BG. Follow that up with how BG has been a consistent threat in almost every game for years now with rarely missing playing time, and made the play of the game 3 days ago against our biggest rival. From this past decade he’s a top 5 most important player we’ve had IMO. While I don’t think Earl is even rostered right now. 

I think it's foolish to view the goal of drafting as selecting what turns out to be the very best player available at the exact moment you make your selection. Since there are maybe about 300 players (maybe more when you consider players who become free agents) you might view as draft-worthy, the odds at any specific moment in time are about 1 in 300 that you'll choose what turns out to be the 'very best' guy.

No, what you're looking for, especially in the first round, is picking someone good, ideally at a position where you have issues. That's what you want. Someone good. Someone who can play...well. Someone who you'll give a second contract to. Someone who'll play ten years (or more) and help you win football games along the way.

Brandon Graham was a helluva pick in the 2010 draft. And it was annoying as hell having to hear repeated, unrelenting complaints about his selection. "We should have taken Earl Thomas!" "Wow, look at Jason Pierre-Paul with the Giants. Oh my God, we could have had HIM!" I used to ask complainers to stop using both of those players in their arguments since you only get to pick one player at a time. I'd ask them to pick the specific guy they should have chosen and never mention the other one again. Who would YOU have chosen? It's kind of like when I hear people complain about Terry McLaurin...umm...I thought you said we should have picked Metcalf? We couldn't have taken both with that pick. Make your choice and stick with it.

11 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I have Sunday's off.

and you still will

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Yes, and for the first 5 years...

Graham has enjoyed uncanny longevity.  He’s playing better now than he has at any point in his career and may be the best player in the nfl, right now, from the 2010 draft.  But let’s not confuse that with Graham having been better than any number of other first rounders from that draft, many of whom had their stars shine a lot brighter in their prime, Earl Thomas included.

13 minutes ago, greend said:

and you still will

 

 

Way to kill my dream!

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

 

 

Way to kill my dream!

It's what I do.

6 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Brandon Graham was a helluva pick in the 2010 draft. And it was annoying as hell having to hear repeated, unrelenting complaints about his selection. "We should have taken Earl Thomas!" "Wow, look at Jason Pierre-Paul with the Giants. Oh my God, we could have had HIM!" I used to ask complainers to stop using both of those players in their arguments since you only get to pick one player at a time. I'd ask them to pick the specific guy they should have chosen and never mention the other one again. Who would YOU have chosen? It's kind of like when I hear people complain about Terry McLaurin...umm...I thought you said we should have picked Metcalf? We couldn't have taken both with that pick. Make your choice and stick with it.

It's about process. That's the frustrating with the JJAW pick. We took a player who was slow on tape, despite the biggest issue of the 2018 Eagles on offense was speed after Wallace was injured and Smith was traded. From a roster fit perspective, that made no sense. Moreover, we then had to guarantee Alshon's contract because JJAW was so bad. So we didn't get the savings of Alshon leaving, nor did we get any benefit from JJAW.

Some picks will miss for various reasons, but they have to make sense. We picked Reagor in RD1 this year. WR was our biggest need, so that's fine. He was a speed WR we needed. He was a + athlete and young. He's a high-character kid. You could explain the lack of production given his team's truly awful QB play. Even if Reagor isn't a Pro Bowler, that's sound process.

Trading up for Brandon Graham at the time IMO was fine. We needed more EDGE production. Graham before the microfracture surgery was fast. One of the reasons it took so long for him to breakout is that he went from more of a speed-rusher to a power-rusher. Brandon worked hard to adjust. It didn't help that in year 1 (2010), McDermott played him a lot at DT, in years 2-3 (2011-2012) Washburn hated him because he couldn't speed-rush (again, off the surgery), then in years 3-5 (2013-2016) he's playing OLB in a 3-4 which was not suited for him. It took Schwartz's 4-3 to unlock him. None of those previous issues were his fault. It's honestly remarkable how he's turned it around given all the adversity. 

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's about process. That's the frustrating with the JJAW pick. We took a player who was slow on tape, despite the biggest issue of the 2018 Eagles on offense was speed after Wallace was injured and Smith was traded. From a roster fit perspective, that made no sense. Moreover, we then had to guarantee Alshon's contract because JJAW was so bad. So we didn't get the savings of Alshon leaving, nor did we get any benefit from JJAW.

Some picks will miss for various reasons, but they have to make sense. We picked Reagor in RD1 this year. WR was our biggest need, so that's fine. He was a speed WR we needed. He was a + athlete and young. He's a high-character kid. You could explain the lack of production given his team's truly awful QB play. Even if Reagor isn't a Pro Bowler, that's sound process.

Trading up for Brandon Graham at the time IMO was fine. We needed more EDGE production. Graham before the microfracture surgery was fast. One of the reasons it took so long for him to breakout is that he went from more of a speed-rusher to a power-rusher. Brandon worked hard to adjust. It didn't help that in year 1 (2010), McDermott played him a lot at DT, in years 2-3 (2011-2012) Washburn hated him because he couldn't speed-rush (again, off the surgery), then in years 3-5 (2013-2016) he's playing OLB in a 3-4 which was not suited for him. It took Schwartz's 4-3 to unlock him. None of those previous issues were his fault. It's honestly remarkable how he's turned it around given all the adversity. 

Isn't this timeline reversed?  I thought they extended Alshon then drafted JJAW which still makes the pick baffling.  Extending a guy then draft someone in the 2nd round to be his backup.

Shouldn't be surprised now however since we hear DP say that Mailata might be better if he can sit and watch the game rather than take live snaps.

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Isn't this timeline reversed?  I thought they extended Alshon then drafted JJAW which still makes the pick baffling.  Extending a guy then draft someone in the 2nd round to be his backup.

Shouldn't be surprised now however since we hear DP say that Mailata might be better if he can sit and watch the game rather than take live snaps.

I think you are right

33 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's about process. That's the frustrating with the JJAW pick. We took a player who was slow on tape, despite the biggest issue of the 2018 Eagles on offense was speed after Wallace was injured and Smith was traded. From a roster fit perspective, that made no sense. Moreover, we then had to guarantee Alshon's contract because JJAW was so bad. So we didn't get the savings of Alshon leaving, nor did we get any benefit from JJAW.

Some picks will miss for various reasons, but they have to make sense. We picked Reagor in RD1 this year. WR was our biggest need, so that's fine. He was a speed WR we needed. He was a + athlete and young. He's a high-character kid. You could explain the lack of production given his team's truly awful QB play. Even if Reagor isn't a Pro Bowler, that's sound process.

Trading up for Brandon Graham at the time IMO was fine. We needed more EDGE production. Graham before the microfracture surgery was fast. One of the reasons it took so long for him to breakout is that he went from more of a speed-rusher to a power-rusher. Brandon worked hard to adjust. It didn't help that in year 1 (2010), McDermott played him a lot at DT, in years 2-3 (2011-2012) Washburn hated him because he couldn't speed-rush (again, off the surgery), then in years 3-5 (2013-2016) he's playing OLB in a 3-4 which was not suited for him. It took Schwartz's 4-3 to unlock him. None of those previous issues were his fault. It's honestly remarkable how he's turned it around given all the adversity. 

Agree re Graham.  He overcame many hurdles and has been a good soldier and leader of the defense.  Glad that he is having a good season.

JJaw is a bad pick.  The fact that they aren't calling his number.  Very few targets so far.  If your coaches can't find ways to use you, your QB does not have trust to throw you the ball, that is a bad endorsement. 

1 hour ago, greend said:

@greend I'm actually kinda shocked you know how to meme.....but you're spot on here!