7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think we are going to get nearly the picks people think with cox. If we see he’s not the same player and that’s why people are willing to trade him, I’m guessing other teams are going to do their homework. Add on cap room to fit him on top of that. I think ertz is only traded if they are truly intent on not re-signing him. I don’t think you’ll get a boatload of picks. I think you’d be lucky to get a 2nd considering needs a new contract that’ll be hefty. 

Frankly if we drafted better I’d feel more excited about the future of this team but i look at the handful of young guys and think That’s not nearly good enough  

 

Who drafts well and not because they suck ? NE ? Baltimore ? Without an upper echelon QB it doesn’t matter and there are only so many. Carson, the jury still out ? He is good enough despite last game

 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Old players tend to get hurt. Wallace and desean both over 32. You don’t build and count on players 33 years and older to make it all 16 games. That’s a bad plan. I get wallace hadn’t ever had a major injury but you can look at it two ways. Either he was going to have so much wear and tear it was eventually going to hit or he was going to play 10 plus year and not have that injury bug. I tend to believe you play that long eventually it’s going to hit. 

Fractured fibula due to wear and tear ? So who should they have drafted or signed or just keep Torrey ?

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So you just want to fire the GM preemptively for something that naturally occurs in Football?

Not exactly. He's made bad decisions leading up to this point. He's made bad decisions that has put us in the situation we are heading in to. 

6 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Don't have to fire him, but can remove him from final say on personnel.

Let's face it, personnel and identifying talent has never been his strong suit. He's been good at trade value and contracts.

I don't see what's wrong with hiring a guy above him who has final say in personnel. Whoever the dude is who scouts WRs for the Steelers lol.

Demotion again ? I don’t think that will work, might as well fire him. As a GM he should hire the personnel guys and as his job is dependent on them so is theirs with the scouting depts. Howie should also be involved with determining the coach. What positions should we stress in drafting and FA but let the personnel guys then figure out the best candidates while Howie sets the contract parameters. Howie has to be accountable, the buck stops with him and yeah he shouldn’t be picking the specific players
 

3 hours ago, The guy in France said:

Fractured fibula due to wear and tear ? So who should they have drafted or signed or just keep Torrey ?

I said it that off-season and the following off-season they should’ve signed John Brown. He isn’t great but he’s a speed threat that would’ve been perfect for the Eagles and didn’t break the bank in 2018

Yes and wear and tear when you have a high-level stressful physical demanding job for 10+ years. Was his injury strictly that? No.  Additionally a younger player would have probably recovered faster and might have been back for the Eagles. When that injury happened first thing i said was he wasn’t going to be back. There was multiple reasons why i felt that way. at his age it’s going to take him longer to recover. And based off working in the PT field, the mental aspect of coming back from that type of injury was likely gonna be hard for a guy who never had to deal with it in his career. I think people don’t realize how hard it is when you have that type of injury to just overcome the mental aspect of is this going to happen again when I get on the field Or trusting that it’s fully healed. There’s also a lot of the time where people overcompensate to protect that recovered injury and hurt themselves elsewhere as well. 

49 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Who drafts well and not because they suck ? NE ? Baltimore ? Without an upper echelon QB it doesn’t matter and there are only so many. Carson, the jury still out ? He is good enough despite last game

 

You can add the Chiefs to that. Seattle does a decent job. Pittsburgh. They are far from perfect but I would argue they do a pretty decent job for being in the playoffs A majority of the time since 2012. 

I don’t know if he’s good enough. I hope he is. I think he can be. But imo it’s really hard to tell if he is when your offensive line is That bad. I would love to know besides Russell Wilson what quarterback have we seen in the last decade that has been consistently great behind a bad offensive line. It’s not many

46 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Who drafts well and not because they suck ? NE ? Baltimore ? Without an upper echelon QB it doesn’t matter and there are only so many. Carson, the jury still out ? He is good enough despite last game

 

Pittsburgh tend to draft well. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea I think he has the best chance out of the 4, but seems like he’s close to being done. Possibly this being his last year. Centers also seem to rarely get in too. Then you have guys like Nick Mangold who presumably would be ahead. 
 

And yea, Cox would have to really turn it on. Sapp is one of the newer DT’s and he has twice the sack numbers and 4 first team all pros to Cox’s one. 

The original hypothesis was faulty, because Eli Manning is clearly getting in.

Not just a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB — a 2-time Super Bowl Most Valuable Player

4 hours ago, Utebird said:

High tower looked more scared than pinkston on Sunday, his first catch for negative yards he caught the ball behind LOS saw a defender coming and pulled an Issac Bruce and just crumbled into a pile of goo to avoid taking a hit☹️ next non catch heard foot steps on a crosser dropped the ball, next target ran a sloppy route then didn't come back to the ball led to Int.

After hearing about the glowing reports out of camp of him it's disappointing that he shrunk when the live bullets started flying☹️

Hopefully he can be better next week, be interesting to see if watkins can show more when he gets to play he also had a reputation in college like hightower of being soft. One of them needs to not be soft preferably both.

Hightower gets benefit of the doubt because it was his first NFL game, nerves could of definitely been a factor. I’ll give him a few more games before I make a judgement. He at least saw targets, something we can’t say for JJAW. 

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The original hypothesis was faulty, because Eli Manning is clearly getting in.

Not just a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB — a 2-time Super Bowl Most Valuable Player

Eli is definitely getting in. Maybe not first ballot, but he’ll be in there one day. 

11 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I think you're missing the point which is the effectiveness of play action in the passing game isn't impacted by the effectiveness of the run.  So the plays that would need to be less effective would be play action passes.  In 2006, the Eagles lost to the Saints by the score of 27-24.  In that game, Westbrook had 16 carries for 72 yards.  The Eagles had the lead in the 4th quarter and lost on a last second field goal.  In 2007, the Eagles beat the Saints 38-23.  Westbrook had 100 yards in the game.  I think the game you meant was in 2009.  The Eagles got hammered 48-22. Kolb had 391 yards passing which hardly indicates the passing game wasn't working because of the defense not respecting the run. 

I'm not missing the point - as I said I believe the data regarding play action and an effective run game is misleading or just wrong - but it's too complicated for my limited patience to get into a detailed explanation for my assertion. We'll just have to disagree. The game I'm thinking of is none of those. I'll find it.

21 hours ago, RLC said:

I felt the same watching it live. It's possible that instead of getting rid of Jackson this off-season for almost no cap gain, we get rid of Fletcher (7M if cut, up to 16M if traded!).I didn't think this was a likely outcome, but a 20M cap hit to a player who is "fine" is not acceptable with Jackson/Hargrave on the roster.

Fletcher Cox is 29 (2012 draft). Malik Jackson is 30 (2012 draft). 

Where did you see those numbers for Cox? Over the cap has the trade numbers post June 1 as 11 dead ; 11 saved for this year. 

16 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re blind.  Sure it takes time for young receivers.  Jury is home telling everyone about the case against JJAW.   The main concern is crap drafting for other positions.  Already missed on WR numerous times in the past.  O-Line, D-Line, CB etc.....Jury isn’t still out on those areas either.  Howie is clueless and Lurie is just as bad for enabling him.   

Look at the young receivers in the league since 2017. We got none of them. Shameful.  I’m not counting this draft class yet. I’m not the biggest Reagor fan but I think he can be a useful piece to the O with a good creative coach who can scheme him out of the slot and such.  I just don’t think he will be some consistent dominating presence. Could be wrong there hopefully. 

11 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We've been a top-ten team in Wins since 2016, when Doug arrived.  Yet, we can't seem to acquire talent.

So, if Howie is really that bad at what he does, then Doug is really, really good at what he does. 

 

Another view.  We haven't had a true HOFer since Dawkins.  He was drafted in the previous century.  You can maybe point to Kelce, Cox, Lane, and Ertz as top-five at their respective positions.  But none of them scream Wheatie box greatness.  Other than Wentz, what recent player captured the fan base's imagination?  Howie hits a lot of doubles.  Guys like Seumalo and Goedert.  So until he picks a few more probowlers, despite the record, he will be criticized.

I disagree. Unless the Eagles win every game all season he will be criticized. In truth wins are what matter not probowl players. But our fan base are a bunch of egotistical know nothings that think they can do a better job than Howie so after every loss everyone on the team will get criticized. The reaction after 1 loss with a busted up team(already) and during sloppy covid times is all the more proof of that I need of my opinion on that.

8 hours ago, schuy7 said:

The 2017 Eagles caught lightning in a bottle somehow.

Biggest reason for that was Carson was awesome and then Doug figuring out and using Fole's strengths along with very good play planning. 

7 hours ago, devpool said:

None of these three will make it IMO. Definitely not Cox, I don't think Ertz will get in either.  Might be able to make a case for lane when it's all said and done but I doubt it

Ertz and Lane will be in the hall, there is no doubt in my mind.

8 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Man, the cowpads have been whiny crybabies all week.  You push off so that it affects the path of the DB and clearly gives you separation, despite what all the Michael Irvins of the sports announcers say, it is OPI.  Maybe next time, don’t fully extend the arm to get away with it.

Why should this week be any different?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dallas sucks!!!!!!

14 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

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4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not exactly. He's made bad decisions leading up to this point. He's made bad decisions that has put us in the situation we are heading in to. 

For clarity, what are we "heading in to?"

2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

For clarity, what are we "heading in to?"

A complete mess... You can't see that?

13 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

A complete mess... You can't see that?

So if we win this week and end the season in the playoffs will that be part of the mess? 

19 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

A complete mess... You can't see that?

Based on your track record of posts throughout the board, I definitely don't see it as the abject failure that you do.  Everything isn't perfectly aligned after 2020 Week 1, but all is not lost.  

The thing is...i'm interested in what exactly you would have done differently to get better results.  I know you are a proponent of the bobbywizdum "trade talent for a boatload of picks" theory, so I am sure that is part of it.  With your strong feelings about this, I am sure you have some ideas.

 

9 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Based on your track record of posts throughout the board, I definitely don't see it as the abject failure that you do.  Everything isn't perfectly aligned after 2020 Week 1, but all is not lost.  

The thing is...i'm interested in what exactly you would have done differently to get better results.  I know you are a proponent of the bobbywizdum "trade talent for a boatload of picks" theory, so I am sure that is part of it.  With your strong feelings about this, I am sure you have some ideas.

 

Because I see some pretty big flaws with this team. You may want to overlook that.

For a start the OL is a mess. There's no depth and it's ageing. JP should have gone by now but remains our best option at LT because of failures to replace. Kelce is a ticking time bomb and could retire after this year especially if we don't have a good season. RG is an issue because Brooks has now had back to back achilles injuries. 

Wentz continues to make the same mistakes and shows no signs of changing his approach at all. 

And then the defense... A pretty average at best secondary and a DL that's a mess. Cox is the wrong side of 30, Jackson isn't a long term action and the DE situation is pretty damn awful. 

Oh and to add to that our GM can't draft but has no cap space to address issues. So to get this right, this is a team that lacks real true star talent but is way over the cap? What a great situation to be in. 

16 minutes ago, greend said:

So if we win this week and end the season in the playoffs will that be part of the mess? 

I don't see making the play offs as a good thing at this point no. I'm sure you'll argue that but all it does is give us a poor draft spot for a team that really isn't that good. 

@EagleJoe8 You're missing what color we are on the map. We're not always green

34 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

 

I don't see making the play offs as a good thing at this point no. I'm sure you'll argue that but all it does is give us a poor draft spot for a team that really isn't that good. 

So basically what you are saying is no matter how good this team is you still disagree that it's good? Interesting so it's Superbowl win every year or blow up the team?

34 minutes ago, greend said:

So basically what you are saying is no matter how good this team is you still disagree that it's good? Interesting so it's Superbowl win every year or blow up the team?

Nah, 2 out of 3.