I'm not opposed to benching Carson, but does Jalen Hurts even know the playbook well enough to play at this point? What is he working on at practice? Just the gadget stuff? He didn't have an offseason or preseason.

25 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I've defended Wentz over and over again, there is no bias, I'm telling it like it is. Did you watch him play through November last season? He wasn't good. He wasn't as awful as he has been this season, but he was supposed to be a top level franchise QB and he was not that last season or in 2018.

If they can't explore benching him this season, then there isn't any time he can be benched because it's almost impossible for him to be playing any worse. There's nothing to lose in giving Hurts a chance. Absolutely nothing. If Hurts blows, you can go back to Wentz and maybe it will have motivated him to play better. If Hurts plays well, at least you have something to build on with him. The team sucks and is going nowhere anyway, it's a win-win situation to try Hurts out.

 

This season, is Wentz playing better than Bobby Hoying 87-98? I don't think so. He could be benched and the offense refocused as run over pass with RPOs that take advantage of Hurts. It's not like the current O is completing a lot of passes over 20 yards. Theoretically, the team won't be as competitive as with the complete playbook but would the offense be more predictable than it is now? No. It is maddeningly predictable right now. I agree with you. There isn't a lot to lose by benching Wentz other than draft spots if Hurts is more successful.

BTW, I like Wentz but I like accountability more.

11 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I'm not opposed to benching Carson, but does Jalen Hurts even know the playbook well enough to play at this point? What is he working on at practice? Just the gadget stuff? He didn't have an offseason or preseason.

He works on option runs all practice. Just need to have Sudfeld active so he can line up out wide otherwise Jalen will have no idea what to do 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Eh sounds like they’re looking for a scapegoat 

It’s quite likely he’s the source of a spread that led to the postponement of a prime time game. He’s lucky to have his job. 

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He works on option runs all practice. Just need to have Sudfeld active so he can line up out wide otherwise Jalen will have no idea what to do 

I imagine Jalen spends a good bit of practice working the scout team, especially this week.

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s quite likely he’s the source of a spread that led to the postponement of a prime time game. He’s lucky to have his job. 

I feel like he’d be gone if he was 

2 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I'm not opposed to benching Carson, but does Jalen Hurts even know the playbook well enough to play at this point? What is he working on at practice? Just the gadget stuff? He didn't have an offseason or preseason.

I view it more this way. I think to succeed with hurts you are going to have to adapt and mold the offense to what hurts does well. Meaning going to have to mold it similar to what the bills and cardinals are doing with Allen and Murray. My issue is i don’t think the eagles coaching staff will do that nor do i think they are creative enough to that. We’ve seen the same offense for much of the year knowing wentz struggles and when outside of the pocket he’s more dangerous. But we get the i should and will implement that more the previous week and then do it less the next week. Add on you have had him for 11 weeks and could expand on his gadget plays and open it up and we have yet to do it. So either they don’t trust him or we aren’t doing a very good job at expanding and building upon those gadget plays. Which is a problem either way. 

to me i think you need a few weeks to transition the offense to mold to his strengths and what he does well. And I’m not exactly sure the eagles coaches are the ones to be able to do that as the eagles coaches have yet to figure out how to maximize reagor, fulgham has regressed and they refuse to get him involved early in games, goedert took 4 weeks (including the bye) to get going ( should have been targeted even more against the browns. They had no answer for him). And we are dealing with a staff/org that refuses to accept who should be playing on the field such as herbig over opeta and mailata over peters and alshon not playing. 

11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

someone check on @eagle45

Looking forward to the 13 personnel with Alshon at wr.

Best way to defend that may be 4 DL and 7 linebackers.  

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Looking forward to the 13 personnel with Alshon at wr.

Best way to defend that may be 4 DL and 7 linebackers.  

6 linebackers, should be fine to rest one and still cover 

32 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Looking forward to the 13 personnel with Alshon at wr.

Best way to defend that may be 4 DL and 7 linebackers.  

Honestly maybe they should be using 12 and 13 personnel more down near the redzone.  I'd love to see more 4 WR sets with Reagor, Hightower, Fulgham and Ward but only if they use Reagor and Hightower deeper down the field and let Fulgham and Ward work the underneath stuff.

A shame to hear this about anyone. I’m surprised he’s been in the league for over 10 years 

7 hours ago, macgregor said:

Oh. Well, if that's your sole criteria: where drafted, then I guess that makes sense. I also wanted to see 36th pick Kolb once McNabb's production approached Went's current.

McNabb in 2008 and 2009 was nowhere near this bad. It is statements like this that get you called a McNabb hater. Just pure nonsense. 

 

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

He’s right their plan at wide receiver going into the year was straight up bad. Not that they could’ve traded for Deandre Hopkins or Stefon Diggs but they were options if you wanted to make that big time move or screw up trading for desean and restructuring alshon. 1-2 in the league in receiving. But they didn’t want to sign a veteran free agent wide receiver that could’ve helped at the start of this year. Makes it more ridiculous that they were just going to just rely on the draft to really address the WR position and upgrade. they’ve been awful at drafting wide receivers for years now. Heck it’s not talked about enough but they drafted Jordan Mathews over Devante Adams who went 13 picks later. added on to agholor, jjaw, hollins and gibson. They just can’t figure it out at WR with the draft I’m hoping reagor breaks this. they relied on a injury prone DeSean Jackson. Alshon Jeffery who was done. Three rookies during a pandemic, Greg ward and JJaw who was awful last year. They are fortunate that fulgham showed out for 4 weeks. The WRs are still an issue and it was a weak plan of attack 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s right their plan at wide receiver going into the year was straight up bad. Not that they could’ve traded for Deandre Hopkins or Stefon Diggs but they were options if you wanted to make that big time move or screw up trading for desean and restructuring alshon. 1-2 in the league in receiving. But they didn’t want to sign a veteran free agent wide receiver that could’ve helped at the start of this year. Makes it more ridiculous that they were just going to just rely on the draft to really address the WR position and upgrade. they’ve been awful at drafting wide receivers for years now. Heck it’s not talked about enough but they drafted Jordan Mathews over Devante Adams who went 13 picks later. added on to agholor, jjaw, hollins and gibson. They just can’t figure it out at WR with the draft I’m hoping reagor breaks this. they relied on a injury prone DeSean Jackson. Alshon Jeffery who was done. Three rookies during a pandemic, Greg ward and JJaw who was awful last year. They are fortunate that fulgham showed out for 4 weeks. The WRs are still an issue and it was a weak plan of attack 

To be fair they could have gone after Hopkins or Diggs. They could have done that and not brought in Hargrave. Ok it may have required some more roster movements but I'm sure they could have done it.

But they didn't and as you say their plan at the WR position was completely flawed. It seems on face value they were relying on Reagor being a stud straight away, DeSean playing more games and JJAW stepping up in Year 2. What a mess. 

13 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

Matt Lefuer guy. crazy run schemes but also ok with playing smash mouth. Has no problem with airing the ball out but knows running how to get his star players the ball in space

why?

Unsure what people dont get about this. Rex Ryan as DC is totally different then Rex Ryan as HC 

Probably because in all his years of being a DC he's had 1 season where his D was better than trash.

13 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Yeah, turkeys will eat just about anything they find.

When i was in HS i worked on a turkey farm in the summers. They fed the birds fish meal and only switched to grain for about a month before they were butchered to get the fish taste out of them.

Good to know.

10 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Can I come?

Of course 

13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

As you well know I'm not on the Wentz train. But for someone to say that previous years don't matter is pretty ridiculous. Previous years have shown what Wentz is capable of. 

Can he get back to that level? Who knows. He may well be too broken at this point. But if the organisation are going to stick with him then they do that on the belief that he can turn it around. 

I have my doubts but hey it's up to me (thank god I know) and we all know what Wentz is capable of. We've seen it. 

Very reasonable take. Being on the Wentz train but headed towards the caboose personally.  My hope is that he gets turned around.  It really would be the best thing to happen for this team.

Now Doug on the other hand........

11 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

You have to make a decision on someone based on how they're playing now. What does someone's past have to do with anything? Wentz has been mediocre since the Super Bowl season.

 

It's been 2 and a half seasons now of subpar QB play. 2017 is long gone. And now they have a young QB they drafted in the 2nd round who they need to see what he's capable of(for better or for worse). Can't keep clinging to that forever. Right now he's terrible and as a coach you have to look your locker room in the eyes everyday and tell them you're doing what's best for the team.

He hasn't been mediocre since the super bowl season. But you do you 

11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Real shame. Terrible time for that to happen. 

10 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I'm not opposed to benching Carson, but does Jalen Hurts even know the playbook well enough to play at this point? What is he working on at practice? Just the gadget stuff? He didn't have an offseason or preseason.

I would like to see Wentz try to work through the yips, but I don't know that he can under the current coach. I would be happier to bench j.p. ,alshon, and design some plays that work for Reagor and the current cast. Also would love to run more in games where it's working.

Benching Wentz is not going to solve this unless they suddenly switch to a run first offense just because Hurts is in.

16 minutes ago, greend said:

Very reasonable take. Being on the Wentz train but headed towards the caboose personally.  My hope is that he gets turned around.  It really would be the best thing to happen for this team.

Now Doug on the other hand........

Oh absolutely the best thing for this team, this organisation is that this is a elongate blip for Wentz and he turns it around. But this team needs to figure out how they can save Wentz and they need to do it quickly. 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh absolutely the best thing for this team, this organisation is that this is a elongate blip for Wentz and he turns it around. But this team needs to figure out how they can save Wentz and they need to do it quickly. 

I mean it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out. But I don't think it's fixable with what we have at coach or even what we keep trotting out as talent.

20 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out. But I don't think it's fixable with what we have at coach or even what we keep trotting out as talent.

I mean perhaps not but I do think Wentz is really broken right now and might take some real rebuilding.