3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He absolutely has an injury history.  Just because his injuries occurred during later parts of the season, doesn't mean they weren't serious injuries.  Had (at least 2) of his injuries occurred early on in the season, he would have likely missed the entire season. 

And we're still seeing the effects from his concussion during the playoff game last year.

I don't think anyone can say his concussion is playing a role this season.  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know what to believe when Dog talks but that rumor was kind of inconsistent with what Adam caplan and Jeff mosher were saying the previous week

I'm willing to wager it was more along the lines of, "Don't hold Hurts back if you think I would object" vs "Time to start Hurts".

Lurie just wants to see his team win and if it means resting Wentz for a game or two, I don't think he would be against it.

 

 

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Holy strawmen, did the uptempo work or did it not? The previous 4 drives were not uptempo. The one successful drive was. It wasn't littered with incompletions and the ball didn't move with several penalties like you claimed. 

I am using this... I may add "batman" to the end though. 

1 minute ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

How the hell does the Philly media keep getting by with all of this BS they put out? If there was even a hint of truth to that Doug would have been fired this morning. They just continue to post rumors and innuendo like it's fact from "anonymous sources". What a bunch of Ds.

I am sure they have some legitimate sources.  I would question whether the sources have their own agenda or whether they are just misinterpreting things.  

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think anyone can say his concussion is playing a role this season.  

Have you ever seen a franchise, star QB, drop close to 30 points in QB rating in less than 9 months, during his prime?

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

If my sister had balls shed be my brother

Facts are facts.. theres a long list of important players on this team, and important quarterbacks in the league that have missed much more time then Wentz. 

In fact... Off the top of my head I bet Wentz is top 10... closer to top 5 in consecutive starts by QB.  

How many season ending injuries has Carson Wentz had?

THREE.

And if injuries are not a concern, then why not let him play hero ball all the time?

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm willing to wager it was more along the lines of, "Don't hold Hurts back if you think I would object" vs "Time to start Hurts".

Lurie just wants to see his team win and if it means resting Wentz for a game or two, I don't think he would be against it.

 

 

I’m betting Jeffrey lurie being a smart man he probably realizes this team winning is probably more of a hindrance to their future success then anything and it would be fools gold even if they won games. He wasn’t dumb after 2011 he said those wins down the stretch were fools gold. Frankly if you think Jeffrey lurie looks at this team and says well we’re only a quarterback play well away from being a contender this year or winning meaningless games then i think you are running with a narrative that is far fetched. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Legit question, and please take off your Wentz hater glasses...

Do you think Wentz would have a 30 point drop if doug 1) ran the ball more, 2) rolled wentz out more and 3) used uptempo more. 

 

4) had a functional OL

5) had NFL receivers

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think anyone can say his concussion is playing a role this season.  

Dr. Nova can. He’s seen it through his TV

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Legit question, and please take off your Wentz hater glasses...

Do you think Wentz would have a 30 point drop if doug 1) ran the ball more, 2) rolled wentz out more and 3) used uptempo more. 

 

I think that would help. 

But how do you explain pass after pass, missing receivers by as much as 5+ yards?  Missing 5 yard lob passes?  Not making hot reads?  Not seeing receivers downfield.  Staring at wide open receivers and either hesitating or not throwing to them?  

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Have you ever seen a franchise, star QB, drop close to 30 points in QB rating in less than 9 months, during his prime?

No and I am not discounting the possibility that he's having executive functioning issues after a concussion.  I just don't think we know whether that's what is going on with him or not.  I think that the post-concussion issues may very well be part of the problem.  I also think that is not the only reason he is struggling.  

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m betting Jeffrey lurie being a smart man he probably realizes this team winning is probably more of a hindrance to their future success then anything and it would be fools gold even if they won games. He wasn’t dumb after 2011 he said those wins down the stretch were fools gold. Frankly if you think Jeffrey lurie looks at this team and says well we’re only a quarterback play well away from being a contender this year or winning meaningless games then i think you are running with a narrative that is far fetched. 

Nah.  Zero chance that Jeffery Lurie wants his team to tank.  ZERO.

 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

How many season ending injuries has Carson Wentz had?

THREE.

And if injuries are not a concern, then why not let him play hero ball all the time?

You're counting the concussion as season ending?

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Nah.  Zero chance that Jeffery Lurie wants his team to tank.  ZERO.

 

Who said anything about tanking? I said he views winning this season as more of a hindrance to future success which would be true because it hurts their ability to get top level prospects in the next upcoming draft. That doesn’t mean you don’t go out and try to win games cause that’s the name of the game. It means winning those games are meaningless in his mind because they’re not gonna do anything winning those games that helps them down the road or even this season. He understands they are not a good team and the only way they would get into the playoffs in this type of year was to play in the worst division in the last 20 years. So in my opinion I think Jeffrey Lurie looks at this team as we need to get our QB right going forward as more important than a meaningless 2020 win because we are attached at the hope for at least next year and probably even 2022 

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Keep moving the goal posts. First it was games missed, then injuries, now it's season ending injuries. Cant wait till I hear, how many season ending injuries on the right leg, that happened in against the Rams... You sound like ESPN with those stupid stats to pump Lebron up

Give it up dude.  Important people on this team, and important QB's have missed more time then Wentz over the course of his career. 

 

I never once said "games missed" you and your buddy @downundermike fabricated that.

I said if he continues to play hero ball he'll likely get hurt again. (Based on his injury history) 

He's had at least TWO major season ending injuries and a 3rd season ending injury when he was concussed last season during the playoff game.

This isn't rocket science.  There's a reason they don't want Wentz playing hero ball and it's because they don't want him to get hurt.  It really is that simple.  So you and Mike can go have fun trolling each other because I deal with facts....while you two seem to deal with fantasies and fabrications.

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You're counting the concussion as season ending?

Of course. It was a season ending injury.  And we could still be dealing with the ramifications from it.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You're counting the concussion as season ending?

We should just rename him Bobby and instead of Nick Foles he could be the Bobby of Jalen hurts. It’s essentially what he’s turned into. 

I also find it curious that when the athletic had a story about all 32 quarterbacks around the league multiple FO executives told them it’s more doug then Carson. Yet he seems to think doug only has an issue of he won’t play Jalen Hurts.

30 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Thrash was an awful #1 but Pinkston was a solid #2, imagine if HIghtower could track and catch those deep throws like Pinkston!

And it all started with the OL:

2000 - Tra (16) - Wellbourn (16) - Miller (16) - Mayberry (16) - Runyan (16)

2001 - Tra (15) - Wellbourn (15) - Fraley (15) - Mayberry (15) - Runyan (16)

2002 - Tra (16) - Wellbourn (11) - Fraley (16) - Mayberry (16) - Runyan (16), Brzezinski (5)

2003 - Tra (15) - Wellbourn (13) - Fraley (16) - Williams (11) - Runyan (16), Mayberry (5), Hicks (4)

2004 - Tra (15) - Hicks (13) - Fraley (16) - Mayberry (12) - Runyan (16), Scuillo (5), Ephraim (2), Andrews (1)

2005 - Tra (10) - Hicks (14) - Fraley (8) - Andrews (16) - Runyan (16), Jackson (8), Herremans (4), Clarke (4)

2006 - Tra (16) - Herremans (16) - Jackson (16) - Andrews (16) - Runyan (16)

2007 - Tra (15) - Herremans (15) - Jackson (16) - Andrews (15) - Runyan (16)

2008 - Tra (16) - Herremans (15) - Jackson (16) - MJG (10) - Runyan (16), Cole (5), Andrews (2)

 

I dont know if some have just become numb or conditioned to all the Oline injuries and shuffling around and just kind of say no excuses?  But when your oline struggles, nothing tends to work offensively, consistently.  

What we are seeing along our oline is pretty rare in the National Football league. Not since 1987 has a team been faced with similar circumstances. (I forget which team it was but it was reported last week) 

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Of course. It was a season ending injury.  And we could still be dealing with the ramifications from it.  

That's beyond ridiculous. You aren't even trying to hide it at this point.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Who said anything about tanking? I said he views winning this season as more of a hindrance to future success which would be true because it hurts their ability to get top level prospects in the next upcoming draft. That doesn’t mean you don’t go out and try to win games cause that’s the name of the game. It means winning those games are meaningless in his mind because they’re not gonna do anything winning those games that helps them down the road or even this season. He understands they are not a good team and the only way they would get into the playoffs in this type of year was to play in the worst division in the last 20 years. So in my opinion I think Jeffrey Lori looks at this team as we need to get our QB right going forward as more important than a meaningless 2020 win because we are attached at the hope for at least next year and probably even 2022 

No, I don't think Lurie thinks that "winning" could be a hinderance to future success.  You're alluding that Lurie would rather his team lose vs win...which is the equivalent of tanking.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We should just rename him Bobby and instead of Nick Foles he could be the Bobby of Jalen hurts. It’s essentially what he’s turned into. 

I also find it curious that when the athletic had a story about all 32 quarterbacks around the league multiple FO executives told them it’s more doug then Carson. Yet he seems to think doug only has an issue of he won’t play Jalen Hurts.

Bobby knows more about the QB position and what it takes to win than the majority of the Wentz-bots in this thread.  Good on him.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

Of course. It was a season ending injury.  And we could still be dealing with the ramifications from it.  

Bolded key word, he COULD be or he could not be? 

But in order for you to believe his Concussion as the reason Carson isn't playing well, you have to first overlook completely the Oline, WR, and coaching issues, like all QB's play well under the same set of circumstances Wentz is in today. 

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

The offensive line wasn't perfect last night but let's get serious, either is any other offensive line in the NFL.  A QB needs to make plays when he has time to throw and he needs to "check out" of longer developing plays when he reads a blitz.  How many times did Wentz make a hot read last night?  How much longer are we going to blame the offensive line?

 

 

That's the kiss of death.

Howie will trade him for a 7th

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Bobby knows more about the QB position and what it takes to win than the majority of the Wentz-bots in this thread.  Good on him.

I don't know if using a guy who believes that the earth is flat as your go to is helping.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

No, I don't think Lurie thinks that "winning" could be a hinderance to future success.  You're alluding that Lurie would rather his team lose vs win...which is the equivalent of tanking.

No I’m alluding to Jeffrey lurie sees the bigger picture of future success weighs more about him getting his quarterback right then just winning a meaningless game in 2020. And you just putting in a backup quarterback because you’re obsessed with putting in the back up quarterback to try to win games. I don’t think you see the big picture in almost any argument you make. I would bet dollars to donuts that Jeffrey Lurie thinks getting Carson Wentz back on the right track is more important then a measly 2020 win. That’s not taking that’s called being smart the fact that you’re tied to that quarterback next two years that you better get him right.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's beyond ridiculous. You aren't even trying to hide it at this point.

You taking concussions lightly just shows how little you know about concussions and their lasting ramifications.