18 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

7 NFC/AFC Championship games and a Super Bowl Title (and a Super Bowl Championship by the guy he mentored) says Andy Reid was right. 

 

 

 

 

Nice edit - I'll edit my post and pull off the reading impaired comment - it was low.

 

I'm huge Andy Reid fan and have been since the George Hegamin thing. I've often said that Andy Reid might be the best coach in history from (in a normal week) Monday to Saturday because he is quite possibly the worst game day coach in history. Give Andy an extra week to prepare and well just look at his record after the bye. But Andy Reid (pre Kansas City) never adjusted in game. If his game plan didn't work the Eagles usually lost because he just wouldn't adjust. And yeah - his Eagles needed to run more. But Andy I guess got tired of explaining why he didn't run the ball more and instead of running more he came up with the "in this offense, the pass sets up the run". 

Now - I'll concede that in theory it's true. The old 3 yards and a cloud of dust approach was slow and low scoring - the forward pass and the rules protecting wide receivers / QBs have revolutionized the game. A run first offense is in effect slightly 1 dimensional and can't keep up with the track meet pass first offense. AND if the pass first offense has a defense that can stop the run then the run first offense becomes no dimensional.

Today, points are scored out of the passing game - and with a lead you run more to run the clock.

You still have to run - and that's why it's BS

2 hours ago, QBhunter58 said:

Completely agree. But can we please get it right this time. It feels like he has coaches completely rework his mechanics every offseason, find what works and build off it. 

They need to get the right coach in place.  Someone who believes in him... and yet pushes him.

2 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Nice edit - I'll edit my post and pull off the reading impaired comment - it was low.

 

I'm huge Andy Reid fan and have been since the George Hegamin thing. I've often said that Andy Reid might be the best coach in history from (in a normal week) Monday to Saturday because he is quite possibly the worst game day coach in history. Give Andy an extra week to prepare and well just look at his record after the bye. But Andy Reid (pre Kansas City) never adjusted in game. If his game plan didn't work the Eagles usually lost because he just wouldn't adjust. And yeah - his Eagles needed to run more. But Andy I guess got tired of explaining why he didn't run the ball more and instead of running more he came up with the "in this offense, the pass sets up the run". 

Now - I'll concede that in theory it's true. The old 3 yards and a cloud of dust approach was slow and low scoring - the forward pass and the rules protecting wide receivers / QBs have revolutionized the game. A run first offense is in effect slightly 1 dimensional and can't keep up with the track meet pass first offense. AND if the pass first offense has a defense that can stop the run then the run first offense becomes no dimensional.

Today, points are scored out of the passing game - and with a lead you run more to run the clock.

You still have to run - and that's why it's BS

We're agreeing more than we are disagreeing then. Of course you still need to run, this is football.  We won the Super Bowl thanks in part to a very solid running game.  

 

31 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

You definitely didn't understand my post - keep trying - or don't - I'm fine if you just move along.

The problem with JJAW is that he isn't sudden - no explosion - anywhere. JJaw is JAG who became good at contested catches  against JAGs in college out of necessity and isn't playing against JAGs in the NFL. 

You need to look at the measurables for Fulgham and Hopkins more closely - but anyway - I wasn't saying that Fulgham "is" star quality. Or that he is such because he shares the same "weakness" as a star - if you didn't understand my post - which you didn't - you should have asked for clarification. All I was saying in reference to the Fulgham hit a wall suggestion is that if Fulgham doesn't become a star it won't be because of a lack of atheletic ability which some - including me - had suggested. He has all the physical tools - does he have the mental make up?

He really doesn’t.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Apparently you did.  I saw your posts about the WR position.

 

Pederson shouldn't be the fall guy.  Howie should be the fall guy, and everyone around him should go too.  Why?  Because the new GM should bring in HIS guys.   Pederson gets his share of the blame.  He deserves to be fired.  Again, explain why Peters was playing over Mailata...  Why Alshon got the same number of reps as Fulgham...  Why Ward continues to be targeted for flanker screens... Why Sanders is relegated to fewer and fewer touches... Why the running game is abandoned so quickly/easily...

 

Let me know when you have an answer to who is to blame for those decisions and then tell me that Pederson is just a fall guy.

Wentz. It's all his fault.

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I went back and edited my post.  It didn't seem like something Spadaro would have disagreed with.  

And since when is Payton the be-all, end-all?

He has 1 Super Bowl Championship, 10 years ago.  (With a hall-of-fame QB) 

Reid + Pederson have 2.  And Reid and Pederson have done it two of the past three years. 

And I'm not sure I would use Sean Payton as a reference in determining what is wrong with the Eagles.  He was the first coach in the NFL to put Carson Wentz on blast, basically saying he was easy to defend against....and this was two years ago, when Wentz was still considered, "elite" around the league.

 

 

 

Sorry - you're not getting the Sean Payton reference - I'm not a Payton fan - I think he is an arrogant arsehole. BUT he did expose Andy Reid's flawed inability or unwillingness to adjust in a game about a decade ago - or well maybe his D- Coordinator should get the credit. But - I've referenced that game several times. The Saints moved their LBers out wide to take away the flats, screens and wheels to Westbrook but exposing the middle of their defense. Payton said so in the game after Presser saying they knew the Eagles wouldn't run the ball. Westbrook had a sporadic 4 - 6 runs up the middle that all went for 8 to 12 yards. Reid never exploited that but called up passes to Westbrook (flats, screens, wheels) time and time again that always got blown up. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He really doesn’t.

Says you - but yeah he really does. 

 

Please don't let this discussion devolve into " I know you are but what am I". You misunderstood me - it's ok - happens to me a lot. It's also ok if you disagree with me - not that it would matter if I thought it was not ok.

46 minutes ago, RLC said:

If you want to run the ball more, play the QB full-time that forces opposing defenses to play the option. 

No thanks. 

I wish posts from people on your ignored list didn't show up in quotes... kind of defeats the purpose of ignoring

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I wish posts from people on your ignored list didn't show up in quotes... kind of defeats the purpose of ignoring

Yes because the bloggers are better than everyone else. I swear you only hear about people ignore list in the blog like the content in here is any better than you can get anywhere else on google. Some people need to get over themselves...

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Apparently you did.  I saw your posts about the WR position.

 

Pederson shouldn't be the fall guy.  Howie should be the fall guy, and everyone around him should go too.  Why?  Because the new GM should bring in HIS guys.   Pederson gets his share of the blame.  He deserves to be fired.  Again, explain why Peters was playing over Mailata...  Why Alshon got the same number of reps as Fulgham...  Why Ward continues to be targeted for flanker screens... Why Sanders is relegated to fewer and fewer touches... Why the running game is abandoned so quickly/easily...

 

Let me know when you have an answer to who is to blame for those decisions and then tell me that Pederson is just a fall guy.

 

Mailata was still considered a project coming into the season but he has been a pleasant surprise and has been getting better each week.  I'm a huge Mailata fan. 

The competition between Mailata playing at his "current level" vs Peters manifested itself over the past 2-3 weeks.  Prior to that,  according to metrics, Peters was playing better at tackle.  Once it seemed as if Mailata could potentially replace Peters, THEN,  Peters played over Mailata for about a week.  After Peters agreed to move to guard, Mailata took over at tackle. 

That entire process played out as good as we could have hoped for and we should be thrilled that we may have found a potential starting tackle with a 7th round (Howie Roseman) pick.  

I'm also a huge Fulgham fan.  He has been among the biggest surprises of the year.  That said, as well as he has played, he is still a rookie.  Splitting reps with a veteran WR who has played well when not injured is to be expected.  I also think it comes down to "scheme/matchups/etc".  

Ward continues to be targeted because for whatever reason, he's one of the few guys Carson seems to trust.  Those flanker screens are designed in order to get "Carson going", imo.  The idea is he makes a few completions, gets into a rhythm etc.   

That said, if they really want to try to get Carson going, they should call more designed roll-outs.  Carson seems to do well with them...so I agree, certain aspects of the scheme/play calling could be better. 

Sanders, without question, should be getting more touches per game.  We are in agreement there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just now, jwill2420 said:

Yes because the bloggers are better than everyone else. I swear you only hear about people ignore list in the blog like the content in here is any better than you can get anywhere else on google. Some people need to get over themselves...

Pretty sure I've brought it up in CVON too

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

Yes because the bloggers are better than everyone else. I swear you only hear about people ignore list in the blog like the content in here is any better than you can get anywhere else on google. Some people need to get over themselves...

I mean there’s always you could stop coming to the blog if that’s how you feel. There is that option for you.

20 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Sorry - you're not getting the Sean Payton reference - I'm not a Payton fan - I think he is an arrogant arsehole. BUT he did expose Andy Reid's flawed inability or unwillingness to adjust in a game about a decade ago - or well maybe his D- Coordinator should get the credit. But - I've referenced that game several times. The Saints moved their LBers out wide to take away the flats, screens and wheels to Westbrook but exposing the middle of their defense. Payton said so in the game after Presser saying they knew the Eagles wouldn't run the ball. Westbrook had a sporadic 4 - 6 runs up the middle that all went for 8 to 12 yards. Reid never exploited that but called up passes to Westbrook (flats, screens, wheels) time and time again that always got blown up. 

Gotcha. 

Off topic from the Eagles but why is a Hall of Fame putting in the wristband of Broncos PS Wr Hinton? 

First the only reason why he was playing is because you had a quarterback room that couldn’t follow the rules the NFL put in place for covid to prevent something like this. Secondly you’re honoring an organization that didn’t follow the rules and acting like oh well this guy came in and did what he had to do like we should honor the situation. Lastly he was 1-9 for 13 yards with two interceptions. 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean there’s always you could stop coming to the blog if that’s how you feel. There is that option for you.

I'll second that.

33 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Says you - but yeah he really does. 

 

Please don't let this discussion devolve into " I know you are but what am I". You misunderstood me - it's ok - happens to me a lot. It's also ok if you disagree with me - not that it would matter if I thought it was not ok.

OK, so what is your definition of "having all the physical tools"?

Is it having physical tools as good as someone else who has succeeded?  That's your entire argument. 

If that's the case, then we need to lower the bar all the way down to 5'9" 180 with no deep speed, considering that those tools will take Wes Welker to the HOF.

I guess Greg Ward has all the physical tools too.

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Mailata was still considered a project coming into the season but he has been a pleasant surprise and has been getting better each week.  I'm a huge Mailata fan. 

The competition between Mailata playing at his "current level" vs Peters manifested itself over the past 2-3 weeks.  Prior to that,  according to metrics, Peters was playing better at tackle.  Once it seemed as if Mailata could potentially replace Peters, THEN,  Peters played over Mailata for about a week.  After Peters agreed to move to guard, Mailata took over at tackle. 

That entire process played out as good as we could have hoped for and we should be thrilled that we may have found a potential starting tackle with a 7th round (Howie Roseman) pick.  

I'm also a huge Fulgham fan.  He has been among the biggest surprises of the year.  That said, as well as he has played, he is still a rookie.  Splitting reps with a veteran WR who has played well when not injured is to be expected.  I also think it comes down to "scheme/matchups/etc".  

Ward continues to be targeted because for whatever reason, he's one of the few guys Carson seems to trust.  Those flanker screens are designed in order to get "Carson going", imo.  The idea is he makes a few completions, gets into a rhythm etc.   

That said, if they really want to try to get Carson going, they should call more designed roll-outs.  Carson seems to do well with them...so I agree, certain aspects of the scheme/play calling could be better. 

Sanders, without question, should be getting more touches per game.  We are in agreement there.

Mailata vs. Peters - Nope.  It manifested itself the moment that Peters got hurt, Mailata came in and didn't spike himself.  He never should have been taken out the lineup, but he was.  Mailata should have been at LT since he replaced Peters the first time, there was no reason for him to come out.  Obviously, as he got more tape, teams would adjust, but the only way for him to get better is to get the reps.  Reps in PRACTICE and reps in the GAME.  And if he's getting reps in practice, with the 1s, then you are mixing it up on gameday, so that there's STILL no continuity on the OL.  Continuity is the SINGLE most important part for an OL to work.  They need to gel, they need to work as if they are a single entity, not 5 distinct individuals.

We should be thrilled that STOUTLAND knows how to teach OL.  Mailata was not an OL that was scouted by Roseman.  Don't be ludicrous.  Mailata was an uber athlete that had ZERO football ability... ZERO.  Let me say again, Mailata wasn't 'scouted', he was 'found' as a freak athlete at a freak size.  And given Howie's inability to actually draft in any other round, why not throw a 7th at a freak athlete with no bad habits to correct.  Mailata is a testament to STOUTLAND, not Howie.

 

Fulgham is not a rookie, he's in his second year.  Alshon hasn't played well since midway through 2018.  And he's not the future.  Fulgham might be.  But, Howie and Co. aren't looking down the road (clearly, because that's why the cap is the crap hole it is).  They are trying to salvage their jobs.  And when a coach/GM does that, its already too late.  Move on to the young guys... the ones that you need to move forward with in 2021 anyway.  And give the QB one set of WRs to figure out his timing with, given that Fulgham was with the backups during the limited TC time... But, instead we yo-yo players in and out of the lineup, once again, ignoring any semblance of continuity playing a role in success.  It's lunacy.

 

Ward being the target on the flanker screen has nothing to do with 'trust' and everything to do with stupidity.  How is a 2 yard completion going to get Carson going?   Throw that same pass to Reagor and you might actually get ahead of the chains, or... God forbid... break one for a big gain!!!   Instead, they take one down and throw it into the garbage can... because 2 yards is about all you can reasonably expect from Ward on that play.  

 

So, what you did... was partially excuse stupidity, and then said that Doug is not doing a good job.  Yet, you want to focus on Wentz without focusing on the guy who's job it is to get the most from his players... and not focusing on the guy who brought in the subpar talent that is out there with him and can't afford to bring in new guys, because he's overspent on over-the-hill, oft-injured players.    Wentz has to play well, but when a player regresses to the point that Wentz has... the onus is on figuring out WHY.  And the Why seems to be related to:

1 - poor personnel around him, no OL that he can trust... limited targets to throw to... and no running game to rely on him so that he can be an effective play action passer.   Wentz was at his MVP best, when he had a running game to lean on and an OL he could trust.  They don't have that anymore.   

2 - poor scheme/gameplanning.  They don't 'play to his strengths', nor do they scheme things to the strengths of their OTHER players.  Reagor needs the ball in space... they don't scheme to make that happen, they are trying to use him as a 'regular' WR rather than a chess piece to get mismatches with.  Goedert... invisible for the most part since he's come back.  Fade pattern to Hakeem Butler on a 'gotta have it' situation?   1st target of the season, after just getting added to the roster... and the result is... an incomplete pass.  That play was on Howie and Doug, 100%.  Who makes that move and expects that to happen in that situation.

3 - poor personnel - Howie has swung and missed for 3 straight years... each and every offseason.   

4 - a position coach that can't get the best out of Carson.  When DeFilippo was here, Wentz was an ascending player, rated #3 by the NFL players after his MVP level season.  Since then, he's regressed.  Who's to blame for that?   I put it on the QB coach, the OC, and the former QB coach, OC, turned HC.  "QB factory"?  None of these coaches right now qualify to be the QB coach for this team, including Doug... because he should have taken over the QB coach duties and 'fixed' Carson if he knew how.  That's the way it works in the NFL.  Head coaches last as long as their QB does.  If Wentz is struggling, then Doug will be the one to blame, for a variety of reasons. 

 

Now... Wentz can get better...  duh.  But, he's not going to fix EVERYTHING that is wrong with this team.  And if he were playing better, it would just mask how truly broken this franchise is right now.  In a way, it's a blessing that he's playing as poorly as he is.  It's exposing just how pathetic other elements are.

23 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Yes because the bloggers are better than everyone else. I swear you only hear about people ignore list in the blog like the content in here is any better than you can get anywhere else on google. Some people need to get over themselves...

From my experience, people put others on "ignore" in here when they disagree with them and don't want to put in the effort to produce a "valid counter-argument".  Fight or Flight response theory. 

I ignore when they refuse to use proper english and you need a translator to figure out what they are trying to say

37 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

From my experience, people put others on "ignore" in here when they disagree with them and don't want to put in the effort to produce a "valid counter-argument".  Fight or Flight response theory. 

LOL. I don’t use the function, but I have to imagine you couldn’t be further from the truth. 

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Mailata vs. Peters - Nope.  It manifested itself the moment that Peters got hurt, Mailata came in and didn't spike himself.  He never should have been taken out the lineup, but he was.  Mailata should have been at LT since he replaced Peters the first time, there was no reason for him to come out.  Obviously, as he got more tape, teams would adjust, but the only way for him to get better is to get the reps.  Reps in PRACTICE and reps in the GAME.  And if he's getting reps in practice, with the 1s, then you are mixing it up on gameday, so that there's STILL no continuity on the OL.  Continuity is the SINGLE most important part for an OL to work.  They need to gel, they need to work as if they are a single entity, not 5 distinct individuals.

We should be thrilled that STOUTLAND knows how to teach OL.  Mailata was not an OL that was scouted by Roseman.  Don't be ludicrous.  Mailata was an uber athlete that had ZERO football ability... ZERO.  Let me say again, Mailata wasn't 'scouted', he was 'found' as a freak athlete at a freak size.  And given Howie's inability to actually draft in any other round, why not throw a 7th at a freak athlete with no bad habits to correct.  Mailata is a testament to STOUTLAND, not Howie.

 

Fulgham is not a rookie, he's in his second year.  Alshon hasn't played well since midway through 2018.  And he's not the future.  Fulgham might be.  But, Howie and Co. aren't looking down the road (clearly, because that's why the cap is the crap hole it is).  They are trying to salvage their jobs.  And when a coach/GM does that, its already too late.  Move on to the young guys... the ones that you need to move forward with in 2021 anyway.  And give the QB one set of WRs to figure out his timing with, given that Fulgham was with the backups during the limited TC time... But, instead we yo-yo players in and out of the lineup, once again, ignoring any semblance of continuity playing a role in success.  It's lunacy.

 

Ward being the target on the flanker screen has nothing to do with 'trust' and everything to do with stupidity.  How is a 2 yard completion going to get Carson going?   Throw that same pass to Reagor and you might actually get ahead of the chains, or... God forbid... break one for a big gain!!!   Instead, they take one down and throw it into the garbage can... because 2 yards is about all you can reasonably expect from Ward on that play.  

 

So, what you did... was partially excuse stupidity, and then said that Doug is not doing a good job.  Yet, you want to focus on Wentz without focusing on the guy who's job it is to get the most from his players... and not focusing on the guy who brought in the subpar talent that is out there with him and can't afford to bring in new guys, because he's overspent on over-the-hill, oft-injured players.    Wentz has to play well, but when a player regresses to the point that Wentz has... the onus is on figuring out WHY.  And the Why seems to be related to:

1 - poor personnel around him, no OL that he can trust... limited targets to throw to... and no running game to rely on him so that he can be an effective play action passer.   Wentz was at his MVP best, when he had a running game to lean on and an OL he could trust.  They don't have that anymore.   

2 - poor scheme/gameplanning.  They don't 'play to his strengths', nor do they scheme things to the strengths of their OTHER players.  Reagor needs the ball in space... they don't scheme to make that happen, they are trying to use him as a 'regular' WR rather than a chess piece to get mismatches with.  Goedert... invisible for the most part since he's come back.  Fade pattern to Hakeem Butler on a 'gotta have it' situation?   1st target of the season, after just getting added to the roster... and the result is... an incomplete pass.  That play was on Howie and Doug, 100%.  Who makes that move and expects that to happen in that situation.

3 - poor personnel - Howie has swung and missed for 3 straight years... each and every offseason.   

4 - a position coach that can't get the best out of Carson.  When DeFilippo was here, Wentz was an ascending player, rated #3 by the NFL players after his MVP level season.  Since then, he's regressed.  Who's to blame for that?   I put it on the QB coach, the OC, and the former QB coach, OC, turned HC.  "QB factory"?  None of these coaches right now qualify to be the QB coach for this team, including Doug... because he should have taken over the QB coach duties and 'fixed' Carson if he knew how.  That's the way it works in the NFL.  Head coaches last as long as their QB does.  If Wentz is struggling, then Doug will be the one to blame, for a variety of reasons. 

 

Now... Wentz can get better...  duh.  But, he's not going to fix EVERYTHING that is wrong with this team.  And if he were playing better, it would just mask how truly broken this franchise is right now.  In a way, it's a blessing that he's playing as poorly as he is.  It's exposing just how pathetic other elements are.

I'll try to make this brief because we are dealing with conjecture.

- You can't say that Mailata's success story is only due to coaching and not also give credit to Roseman for making the pick.  If so, then every "project player" that fails would be due to coaching and not Howie for "Making a bad pick".  Get it?

For example, there are people who are critical of the Davion Taylor pick.  They are blaming Howie for "taking a reach on a project player".  If he becomes a "good player" in a year or two, will that also only be due to "coaching"?  Or is it also due to the fact that Howie Roseman took a risk on a "high ceiling, low floor" guy?  And if he fails, will that be because it was a "bad pick" or will it be because of coaching? 

According to your reasoning, if he fails it will be because of the coaching, not because of Howie.  A "project player" that succeeds in the NFL is due to both the GM taking the risk on the player and the coaching.   They are not mutually exclusive. 

And a good portion of the fanbase/media wanted them to focus more on "high ceiling, low floor" prospects for years now. All we heard in the past is that people are tired of the "safe" picks...the "safer" higher floor/lower ceiling type guys and wanted the Eagles to start taking more risks.  (Lower floor but higher ceiling type picks)

Now that they are finally doing it, they want to run the GM out of town because they don't see "immediate results".  Well, I've got news for you...when you go that route, it takes time...sometimes years to see the results. 

 

As far as the entire: Wentz vs. Pederson/Howie/Rest of the offense/Scheme debate goes....  The solution is simple.  If they start another QB and the offense looks just as bad (or even worse) than what it has looked like this year, then you could likely get your wish.  Because if this offense looks "as bad or worse" they could likely clean house.

 

On the other hand, if the offense looks better, then what? 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, psr said:

I ignore when they refuse to use proper english and you need a translator to figure out what they are trying to say

What are you talking about?  @downundermike's English is fine.

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

LOL. I don’t use the function, but I have to imagine you couldn’t be further from the truth. 

I could be.  I've never used it either.  Just a guess on my part. 

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'll try to make this brief because we are dealing with conjecture.

- You can't say that Mailata's success story is only due to coaching and not also give credit to Roseman for making the pick.  If so, then every "project player" that fails would be due to coaching and not Howie for "Making a bad pick".  Get it? 

 

...

 

Now that they are finally doing it, they want to run the GM out of town because they don't see "immediate results".  Well, I've got news for you...when you go that route, it takes time...sometimes years to see the results. 

I'll make it simple, so that it doesn't drag on.   Mailata WAS NOT A FOOTBALL PLAYER.  So... what was Howie basing his scouting on?  Rugby... aka, pure athleticism.  Mailata didn't know how to line up, how to move, or even what the rules were... yeah... Howie is a genius!  Give me a break.  He bought a lottery ticket, and it hit.  Buying lottery tickets isn't 'financially planning' that's blind luck.  So, if your financial planner says, put all your savings into lottery tickets and use that for retirement - RUN.   Howie doesn't get the credit.  And if Howie deserves the credit for Mailata, then explain his failures with just about every other pick since he took over again in 2016.  He's hit maybe 4 times.

And for the record... Howie's issues are broader than the 2020 draft, and if you can't see that, that's sad.  Look at any list of Howie's draft picks... no matter where you want to draw the line... and tell me how it is even AVERAGE, let alone 'good'.  

 

 

But, we're done here.  And if you want to know when the ignore button gets used, I'll tell you... its when a person is incapable of actually presenting a cogent argument, but presents straw men, false equivalencies and frankly its a waste of time to read, let alone respond to.   But, you'll see it as a victory of your masterful debate skills.   Congrats.