55 minutes ago, RLC said:

I think Hurts clearly projects to a high-end backup/low-end starter. How valuable that is is up for debate though. Hurts' leadership & mobility will keep him on rosters for years to come. Look at Colt McCoy in NYG. Hurts isn't there yet though.

I'm in the fire Howie/Doug & trade Wentz camp, but I'm fine letting a new GM make the call.

I just don't agree at all on Hurts.  I saw his game at Alabama quite a bit, as well as at Oklahoma.  Great college player, seems like a great kid.  Missing way too many of the tools and skills needed to be a starting NFL quarterback.  To me he was a 4th round or later flyer at best.  

100% on the second point but also 100% a new GM and head coach need to decide on Wentz and chart the path forward.  If the owner was responsible he would have a committee right now looking into his options.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

Given all the articles/podcasts I've consumed, the consensus is that Howie is returning. That will make the board crash.

Completely and totally unacceptable.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

In my opinion... Hurts doesnt know the playbook, Hurts isnt where Doug wants him to be and Doug doesnt want to spot light his terrible pick. 

I dont ever ever see a general manager using a 2nd round pick on a backup QB. 

I would totally get if Howie spent the money on a big name, decent money back up, but not a pick 

I've never seen a general manager pick a WR successor in the 2nd round just to restructure the guy they are trying to replace. I'm just speculating, but it seems like Doug doesn't have the authority to overrule Howie with anything. It will be interesting to see what gets leaked once firings start happening. 

21 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

i dont like fans that support qbs that lose games, is that a problem now?

Your understanding of something called nuance is a problem, yes. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@Br3 I also saw that article.  But you don't need that article, you can see it in the box score.  One team stuck with the run, and there QB was not put in harms way, and also did not play very well.

If baker mayfield didn’t stink the browns should’ve blown the eagles defense out of that game as well. He missed two wide open tds in that game that really were excellent play designs cause the eagles were committed to stopping the run

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I've never seen a general manager pick a WR successor in the 2nd round just to restructure the guy they are trying to replace. I'm just speculating, but it seems like Doug doesn't have the authority to overrule Howie with anything. It will be interesting to see what gets leaked once firings start happening. 

I can’t wait fir someone to write the book "you want s#!tty s#!tty: from super bowl champs to the toilet bowl”

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Doug doesn't have the authority to overrule Howie with anything. 

Neither does Gym Shorts.  He wanted Kenneth Murray and Jeremy Chinn, he got neither, even though Chinn was the highest player on the Eagles draft board when we went on the clock in round 2.

25 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

As a degenerate who does fairly well at betting, I LOVE BYU and watched a lot of his games. Reminds me of Ty Detmer. Slinging the rock all over the place against bad teams. It's fun to watch, he's gonna trick an NFL team drafting him early, but I dont see much out ofhim

We dont like fans who blame the QB for lost games where he's just a small fraction of the issue

Ty Detmer played some good teams throughout his career. As a sophomore he passed for over 500 yards in a loss to Penn St.

As a Jr he beat The U of Miami.

Lost in a bowl game to Texas AM where he dislocated both his shoulders had surgery that sapped a lot of minimal  arm strength he had.

Sr year was good but the loss of velocity on his passes was noticeable.

I'm not sure minus the injuries his pro career turns out any better he was just so small but Ty Detmer was a gamer and for BYU fans he'll always be a legend.

Coincidentally Zach Wilson also had shoulder surgery I think as a sophomore? He seems to have recovered though as he seems to have plenty of velocity on his passes now. 

Having said that I don't think he's a first round talent though I'm sure he'll go first round after putting up gaudy stats against a bunch of powder puffs though his dismantling of Boise St was impressive.

Having said that Wentz never played against any real competition and he turned out...OH Wait...Nevermind...

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness none of those young guys had offseason team activities due to covid nor did he get to on field work with them until camp. Not every rookie WR is the same. Jefferson was ready day one to play and contribute. He was polished. Much easier transition. I never thought any of the 3 we drafted were ready day one and missing those team activities due to a pandemic hurt them.  It’s why i constantly said just drafting and expecting rookies to be consistent week to week was a foolish plan when you already had unreliable WR that you couldn’t rely to be on the field week in and week out 

Yes, I agree circumstances didn't do anyone any favors. I still want to see accountability. I still expect to see things like effort. I still want to see common sense things like when you catch the ball within two minutes you go out of bounds, not cut inside for an extra yard. It's like once a week Reagor isn't even running the correct route on the play. I don't expect him to be a finished product, but these mistakes are just infuriating. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@Br3 I also saw that article.  But you don't need that article, you can see it in the box score.  One team stuck with the run, and there QB was not put in harms way, and also did not play very well.

Two really important pieces of information to add to this:

1)  Stefanski is a rookie head coach with a #1 overall draft pick at QB and still understands how to help his QB succeed.  He should win coach of the year 

2)  One of those 40 runs was a 54-yard effort by Chubb; the Eagles D was stout against the best running offense in the NFL and allowed 83 yards on the other 39 carries, and Stefanski STILL remained committed to the run game, because he understood it was the Browns’ best chance to win.  They are 9-3 without demanding their QB win the game by himself — in the best division in football.

 

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@Br3 I also saw that article.  But you don't need that article, you can see it in the box score.  One team stuck with the run, and there QB was not put in harms way, and also did not play very well.

I was trying to give Doug some credit before acknowledging he’s an idiot but the numbers don’t support that. A few games ago sanders got 2 carries for the entire second half. It’s things like that that just make you wonder is the dude trying to get himself fired or does he just not like Carson Wentz and enjoys watching him struggle or is he really just a dumb***
 

Watching the way Doug calls the game for Hurts this weekend will answer a lot of questions. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

That JJAW pick screams doug too. He was feeding the chickens about "playing above the rim" for months 

Nah, that was pure Howie. Howie is the one that went to the media after the one preseason game JJAW looked good and was going on about how "GM's around the league called me after the game telling me what a great pick he was." He was openly boasting that he made a great pick. I think Doug just see's what's going on with the team and uses cliche terms.

@Br3

 @downundermike

2017 we were 6th in the NFL in rushing attempts with 473  -Both Wentz and Foles played

2018 we were 20th in the NFL in rushing attempts with 398 -Both Wentz and Foles played

2019 we were 7th in the NFL in rushing attempts with 454 -only Wentz played

2020 we are currently 28th in the NFL in rushing attempts 

 

So you can use 2019 as an example of its not Wentz checking out of running plays the lack of running falls on Doug and the coaching staff. 

 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

2)  One of those 40 runs was a 54-yard effort by Chubb; the Eagles D was stout against the best running offense in the NFL and allowed 83 yards on the other 39 carries, and Stefanski STILL remained committed to the run game, because he understood it was the Browns’ best chance to win.  They are 9-3 without demanding their QB win the game by himself — in the best division in football.

This, so much this.  I was hoping someone would spot this on their own.  That carry was not even until 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, but he kept running to that point, and kept running after that.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Two really important pieces of information to add to this:

1)  Stefanski is a rookie head coach with a #1 overall draft pick at QB and still understands how to help his QB succeed.  He should win coach of the year 

2)  One of those 40 runs was a 54-yard effort by Chubb; the Eagles D was stout against the best running offense in the NFL and allowed 83 yards on the other 39 carries, and Stefanski STILL remained committed to the run game, because he understood it was the Browns’ best chance to win.  They are 9-3 without demanding their QB win the game by himself — in the best division in football.

 

 

Yup and a lot of those runs for browns are from under center not shotgun, which makes the roll outs more effective.

Doug has a big O line that can run block and a pretty good RB in Miles and a QB who statistically performs well outside the pocket.

So Doug's solution run the ball exclusively from shot gun have a 25:75 run pass ratio and roll Carson out 2 times a game😒

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes, I agree circumstances didn't do anyone any favors. I still want to see accountability. I still expect to see things like effort. I still want to see common sense things like when you catch the ball within two minutes you go out of bounds, not cut inside for an extra yard. It's like once a week Reagor isn't even running the correct route on the play. I don't expect him to be a finished product, but these mistakes are just infuriating. 

I don’t disagree. However we are going on 6 Wr Coaches in 6 years. At some point might just be something other than coaching. Plus this was an issue for reagor at TCU. Daniel Jeremiah talked about it pre-draft on 975. It was one of the reasons he had him ranked where he did. He would just go through the motions his last year there due to QB being bad. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I can’t wait fir someone to write the book "you want s#!tty s#!tty: from super bowl champs to the toilet bowl”

I hope the "gee shucks" Doug is just a front and he pulls a Mitch from the end of the movie Waiting

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I hope the "gee shucks" Doug is just a front and he pulls a Mitch from the end of the movie Waiting

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree. However we are going on 6 Wr Coaches in 6 years. At some point might just be something other than coaching. Plus this was an issue for reagor at TCU. Daniel Jeremiah talked about it pre-draft on 975. It was one of the reasons he had him ranked where he did. He would just go through the motions his last year there due to QB being bad. 

 Does Howie know about this? I heard he was big on character and effort plays...

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree. However we are going on 6 Wr Coaches in 6 years. At some point might just be something other than coaching. Plus this was an issue for reagor at TCU. Daniel Jeremiah talked about it pre-draft on 975. It was one of the reasons he had him ranked where he did. He would just go through the motions his last year there due to QB being bad. 

Walter Football had Reagor ranked as the 8th best WR, with Claypool and Aiyuk ahead of him.  Nothing I have seen this year tells me they were wrong.

 

2 minutes ago, Br3 said:

 Does Howie know about this? I heard he was big on character and effort plays...

Justin Jefferson was #1 on the character and effort rankings.

Another bonus for Jefferson is that sources say the LSU staff has raved to teams about him as a kid and worker. They say Jefferson also is a tremendous practice player who loves to compete and makes his teammates better by challenging them on the practice field.

1 minute ago, Br3 said:

 Does Howie know about this? I heard he was big on character and effort plays...

Idk but we discussed it on the old board when it was talked about by Jeremiah. It was part of the reagor vs. jefferson discussion. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I hope the "gee shucks" Doug is just a front and he pulls a Mitch from the end of the movie Waiting

Question whose Dane cook then?

Howie, Lurie, Wentz, ESP?

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Walter Football had Reagor ranked as the 8th best WR, with Claypool and Aiyuk ahead of him.  Nothing I have seen this year tells me they were wrong.

 

Justin Jefferson was #1 on the character and effort rankings.

Claypool I wasn’t as high on but he also went to the Steelers. They draft and actually develop wrs. Might be the best team in the league. So I’m not shocked he’s good. To me aiyuk and reagor were close. I think aiyuk fell into the perfect place. Shanahan was always going to maximize his talent. I can’t say for certain but i think shanahan would still get more out of reagor then what we are. And if aiyuk was here i don’t think he has the amount of success he’s having in SF. 

The Thomas, Herremans, Jackson podcast this week was hilarious. They talked about "player only meetings" and just laughed at it for a solid 5 minutes. They said those are "nothing but glorified call out sessions" and how it literally means nothing. 

They also ragged on Mailata always helping guys up and I was literally laughing out loud. Luckily I was alone but got a few weird looks from the dog.

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup and a lot of those runs for browns are from under center not shotgun, which makes the roll outs more effective.

Doug has a big O line that can run block and a pretty good RB in Miles and a QB who statistically performs well outside the pocket.

So Doug's solution run the ball exclusively from shot gun have a 25:75 run pass ratio and roll Carson out 2 times a game😒

So basically it took rookie hc Stefanski only a few weeks to understand his qbs limitations and shortcomings even with a loaded WR room

Our hc on the other hand.... 

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Question whose Dane cook then?

Howie, Lurie, Wentz, ESP?

Don Smolenski.