Speaking of Perkins, did we ever find out what his injury is that landed him on IR? Upper body is all I remember.

6 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Who won Nasty Nate?

No one.  But if I had to choose, I'd say Adrian Killins.

8 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Who won Nasty Nate?

Ostman secured it for 2019.

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

Lots of big WRs have been good deep threats. There are historical examples (Plaxico Bureess) to modern examples (Mike Williams, Kenny Golladay). Big WRs with average speed can make it work. Average being the key word.

Burress was the biggest push off wide receiver, that was his biggest tool.   May have done that as much as Michael Irvin.   As we saw with Matt Hollins that doesn’t work so well in the NFL nowadays. And before anyone brings Hines Ward, Ward was an artist.  He was so subtle with his pushes.   

15 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I remember this one big receiver caught a deep touchdown in the Super Bowl recently, gosh what’s his name, who did he play for, God it’s just not coming to me

It was the NFC Championship Game and not the Super Bowl and his name is Dwight Clark.  

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Ostman secured it for 2019.

Strong challenge by Killins and Burnett. 

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It was the NFC Championship Game and not the Super Bowl and his name is Dwight Clark. 

I was talking about Alshon

There are six players with numbers from 74 - 81. All but Vinny Curry are injured. 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

There are six players with numbers from 74 - 81. All but Vinny Curry are injured. 

 

32 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Burress was the biggest push off wide receiver, that was his biggest tool.   May have done that as much as Michael Irvin.   As we saw with Matt Hollins that doesn’t work so well in the NFL nowadays. And before anyone brings Hines Ward, Ward was an artist.  He was so subtle with his pushes.   

Ward was not subtle with his pushes. He just got the Steeler non calls. Dirty mofo too.

54 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Burress was the biggest push off wide receiver, that was his biggest tool.   May have done that as much as Michael Irvin.   As we saw with Matt Hollins that doesn’t work so well in the NFL nowadays. And before anyone brings Hines Ward, Ward was an artist.  He was so subtle with his pushes.   

Ah Mack Hollins.  Let's do the post-mortem on him.  So many have said that Howie badly reached on a poor WR prospect because he excelled on ST.  As much as I enjoy piling on the Howie draft-bashing, I really disagree with that.

6'4", excellent strength, liked contact, despite the 4.5 40, he ran like the wind in pads.  Truly outstanding, if not elite, deep speed in games in pads...all packaged in a big, physical frame.  And yes, he enjoyed mixing it up on ST.  He was one of the most deadly deep threats in all of college football.  But...the injuries were concerning.  That's an incredible flier in round 4.  Do it every time.

I was the captain of the Mack Hollins bandwagon straight through his rookie year.  I got bashed in 2018 when I said that his injury could potentially derail a promising career.  He was always raw.  Losing that year 2 development really hurt him.  His routes just looked aimless after he returned.  Despite his forced snaps in the wake of injury last year, it looked like the Eagles had just moved on as well. 

For talented but raw players on the fence, losing that year 2 can be devastating.  That's why I really worry about Dillard now.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Ah Mack Hollins.  Let's do the post-mortem on him.  So many have said that Howie badly reached on a poor WR prospect because he excelled on ST.  As much as I enjoy piling on the Howie draft-bashing, I really disagree with that.

6'4", excellent strength, liked contact, despite the 4.5 40, he ran like the wind in pads.  Truly outstanding, if not elite, deep speed in games in pads...all packaged in a big, physical frame.  And yes, he enjoyed mixing it up on ST.  He was one of the most deadly deep threats in all of college football.  But...the injuries were concerning.  That's an incredible flier in round 4.  Do it every time.

I was the captain of the Mack Hollins bandwagon straight through his rookie year.  I got bashed in 2018 when I said that his injury could potentially derail a promising career.  He was always raw.  Losing that year 2 development really hurt him.  His routes just looked aimless after he returned.  Despite his forced snaps in the wake of injury last year, it looked like the Eagles had just moved on as well. 

For talented but raw players on the fence, losing that year 2 can be devastating.  That's why I really worry about Dillard now.

Totally different tier of position coaches.  We should trust Stoutland.

Brewer and Walsh were bad hires.  Doug has a lot of really good coaches on his staff, but whiffing on a WR coach in 3 out of 4 seasons is a bad look.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Strong challenge by Killins and Burnett. 

I think the fact that Burnett already had NFL game experience made him ineligible. Ostman was the clear winner, followed by Killins.

14 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Totally different tier of position coaches.  We should trust Stoutland.

Brewer and Walsh were bad hires.  Doug has a lot of really good coaches on his staff, but whiffing on a WR coach in 3 out of 4 seasons is a bad look.

And different types of injuries. A bicep injury won't derail a player like hip surgery will.

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

And different types of injuries. A bicep injury won't derail a player like hip surgery will.

Saw this last post and got scared we had a new injury

54 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Totally different tier of position coaches.  We should trust Stoutland.

Brewer and Walsh were bad hires.  Doug has a lot of really good coaches on his staff, but whiffing on a WR coach in 3 out of 4 seasons is a bad look.

I’d also say making Lewis the scapegoat in 2016 with a bunch of turd WR’s was a bad look. He seems to be doing just fine in KC

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’d also say making Lewis the scapegoat in 2016 with a bunch of turd WR’s was a bad look. He seems to be doing just fine in KC

Maybe he needed to be fired in order to make the necessary changes to improve as a coach? Caplan said he was too friendly with the players and needed to coach them harder.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe he needed to be fired in order to make the necessary changes to improve as a coach? Caplan said he was too friendly with the players and needed to coach them harder.

Could be. But that kind of falls on Doug too then. It doesn’t help that 4 out of the 5 WR’s are out of the league and the last one is hanging on a thread. 

I decided to read the Lions’ SB Nation site to gauge the reaction to cutting Huntley. 

It sounds like he had a pretty good camp but struggled in pass protection and as a punt returner. With Swift and Kerryon as locks, and Scarborough close to it, it came down to him vs Ty Johnson, who had a big camp. Then, of course, they added AP.

As for the positive, he looked pretty good as a pass catcher. 

It's not surprising that an undersized rookie RB struggles in pass protection. He does have speed, which can be nice, but in the limited video I've seen of him he doesn't have special feet or good pad level to make up for his size. Runs super high so arm tackles will bring him right down, and he doesn't have super impressive agility either. I'd rather see Boston Scott as KR and PR.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's not surprising that an undersized rookie RB struggles in pass protection. He does have speed, which can be nice, but in the limited video I've seen of him he doesn't have special feet or good pad level to make up for his size. Runs super high so arm tackles will bring him right down, and he doesn't have super impressive agility either. I'd rather see Boston Scott as KR and PR.

At KR, I’d prefer speed. Get through the first wave and outrun angles. At PR, you want the quicker, shiftier guy IMO. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

At KR, I’d prefer speed. Get through the first wave and outrun angles. At PR, you want the quicker, shiftier guy IMO. 

I don't disagree. I wonder how hard Huntley would hit that first hole. A lot of players have that hesitation. I could see Huntley being that way with his size.

Kick returning is mostly a formality now anyway. What percentage of kickoffs are touchbacks? A lot. And not very many that are brought out pass the 25.

3 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Who won Nasty Nate?

Nate Ilaoa.

 

Sorry.  I mind mind-blanked on who the award was named for.  Then when I remembered, I wanted to type it out so I just made that your question.

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I think the fact that Burnett already had NFL game experience made him ineligible. Ostman was the clear winner, followed by Killins.

Fair enough.  Killins is certainly the winner of the Lorenzo Booker hype award (He’s no fun, he fell right over.) and Burnett seems well qualified for the Na Brown award (The Nah).  

Joe Ostman posthumously won the 2019 Nasty Nate and actively won the 2020 award and there is no real debate 

Henceforth, it shall be renamed the JAG Joe Award.